I Was Obama’s 2012 Campaign Manager. There’s No Need to Panic Over Biden. – Don’t sweat the doom and gloom polling. We’ve been here before.
by Quirkie
I Was Obama’s 2012 Campaign Manager. There’s No Need to Panic Over Biden. – Don’t sweat the doom and gloom polling. We’ve been here before.
by Quirkie
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We have been here before, the big difference is these Republicans are nastier and scarier this time around.
Biden has exceeded my expectations since being elected but that is not saying much. Last year and more recently the events of the last few months I suspect has turned many Americans to the realization that Biden represents an old guard that simply doesn’t truly respect the need for change. Though he is a better alternative to a Trump presidency, I don’t think he is going to convince people that he is best option for democrats.
Biden will probably win mostly because the Republicans are in disarray and incumbents have an edge. The real issue is 2028. The Democrats haven’t had more than 2 consecutive terms in office since FDR and prior to that it has never happened. They really have to find the future face of the party ASAP because conservatives aren’t going to get more reasonable
I wasn’t sweating it in 2016. Hillary was the obvious favorite by a long shot. I remember some statistician wrote that it was nearly a mathematical certainty she would win. 538 had her percentage chance to win in like… high 80s maybe?
I have no idea what’s going to happen this election, but at least I know I have no idea this time.
… We have been here before and it didn’t go well last time
“And let’s dispel once and for all with this fiction that Barack Obama doesn’t know what he’s doing. He knows exactly what he’s doing” becomes “And let’s dispel once and for all with this fiction that Joe Biden doesn’t know what he’s doing. He knows exactly what he’s doing”
CNN showed a poll the other day where Kennedy was bringing in 20% of the votes in a number of states. That’s how you know that these polls don’t mean shit.
The article makes several good points, but Biden has vulnerabilities Obama didn’t. A big one is his age, and another is his approval rating. Biden’s has remained low these last two years, while Obama went up and down. Still, it’s a year out and minds could change.
‘Cool, cool. Now let us hear from Clinton’s campaign manager.’
We don’t even have to go back that far. We saw this exact same thing in 2020 polls that had Biden/Bernie up 12-15 points around this time. The incumbent is usually under polling compared to how they will do in the end and that is true in most races but especially true in presidential ones.
Biden ain’t Obama.
Yeah, but Obama was young and fa oracle. He just felt like a go getter. Biden is very old and unpopular. Anyway you swing it, if it’s a Biden vs Trump rematch, it’s got to be one of the least impressive presidential election in modern history.
All any opponent has is doom and gloom. Tell those people to fly a kite.
The issue is not just generic “doom and gloom” polling!! It’s the fact that he is making very specific choices that directly anger the people who would vote for him!! And those people will probably not turn around and vote for Trump but they just might stay home next November, which is just as bad!!
Ok, DAD!!!
Was there a Project 2013?
We were there before … when trump won his presidency… so …yeah …
If there is one thing I’ve learned it’s that polls are about as trustworthy as a 15 day weather forecast- it’s going to change 10 more times and be wrong anyways. I have no idea who runs them and how they do it, but it’s probably some antiquated system where they only call people with landlines, so it’s horribly biased.
Ultimately the election results from this year are a better bellwether. I think Joe is doing better than polled, but that is no reason to let our guards down. Everyone needs to get out and vote against the fascists. End of story.
He’s got a great point about average voters not being totally engaged until election season. That the people responding to polls right now are more engaged than the average voter (and are probably deeply rooted in their respective parties/convictions).
“Let’s not hold our elected officials to the fire to be better and instead continue to aim for diminished returns”
I’m sweating the fact that hes a million years old.
I’m under the impression that a lot of these polls that are good for trump are just for his codefendants and juries. If trump can make them think he has a real shot at becoming president again, he can scare a lot of them into doing what he wants. These polls are step 1 to keeping him out of jail.
Still feels like the Democrats are playing a dangerous game of ignoring their own voters who are telling them they don’t want him to run.
Did Obama ever have 2/3 of the party NOT want him to run? No.
So we were not here before.
No need to panic, but we shouldn’t get ahead of ourselves. And we definitely should not ignore the low poll numbers for Biden and we need to be realistic about it.
At this point if you are not voting for the bare minimum to keep Republicans out of office, doesn’t matter who is running, you are part of the problem.
This kind of stupid talk is how you lose elections
The only people doing those polls are too bored, crazy, or members of the cult. The silent majority is getting tired of listening to the same group over and over again.
I hate how the media needs there to be an opponent for Biden so they’ll leave out accomplishments Biden makes in favor of leveling the playing field.
Biden should hold to his indication he would serve only one term.
While he has been better than I expected of him, my expectations were extremely low.
Trump is likely the only GOP candidate he can beat, but Biden is also likely the only Dem that Trump can beat.
The risk is too great, Biden should step aside and the Dems should have a real primary.
The amount of people protesting him and calling him Genocide Joe certainly isn’t going to help his reelection chances
No. Wrong. Sweat the doom and gloom. Be scared enough to GO VOTE!
A vote for Biden could quite possibly also be a vote for Harris, and I’m totally cool with that.
But also stay vigilant and VOTE
While I have hope, Democrats cannot risk apathy or stagnation. Republicans moving forward are very obviously abandoning democracy, and it is doubtful if they attain power that they will ever relinquish it again.
The media reports on polls that are close to keep people watching. That said everyone still needs to vote.
Let’s ask Hillarys campaign manager what he thinks. Lol
Biden’s handling of the Israel/Gaza situation is not going to help him in 2024. I can tell you the local Muslim community which is in tens of thousands is all aimed to vote against him 2024. Most of them voted for Biden in 2020 and are now making it a point to vote against him in 2024. Even the people that have never voted I see them posting about it on social media and discussing it in public gatherings. Just sharing what I’ve personally seen.
Since democrat leadership oblivious to current event and unable or unwilling to change course and only double down on losing policies, I expect either a complete democratic loss or a suspension of the election due to an economic and foreign policy disaster. Democratic leadership is incapable of learning and the only thing they can do is hopeful messaging combined with empty rhetoric.
Joe Biden got the most votes in history.
Donald Trump got the *second* most votes in history.
Think any Trump supporters have changed their minds about him? No way. And every one of those people vote.
If we don’t re-elect Biden, this might be the *last* election ever. That’s not exaggeration. That’s literally the plan.
The problem is this is not 2012, it’s 2016, on steroids, with Jill Stein throwing her dumb ass into the ring and with others like No Labels, WE DO NEED TO WORRY.
But, VOTE
😂 Biden is not Obama, and it’s revisionist as fuck to think they are polling similarly for re-election.