Absolutely not, the people of Gaza belong in Gaza. A permanent displacement should not be the answer. It emboldens the Israeli Right Wing to embrace the tactics of pushing the Palestinians out to other countries, which is a form of regional ethnic cleansing.
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They will never be let back in the country by Israel.
But thats the idea I guess
Ethnic cleansing
Take them in!?! Fuck you, they are already home.
Israel loves pawning off the problems they caused to the rest of the world.
Your mess, you keep em
Nice try. They’re not refugees if you stop killing them. That’s been the objective all along, removing Palestinians from their land to colonise it and never allow them back.
Not a good look to go “yeah sorry guys this is your problem now”. They were so intent on this outcome why don’t they do it themselves?
>Likud’s Danny Danon and Yesh Atid’s Ram Ben Barak, both members of the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, wrote in an editorial published in the Wall Street Journal that **the West should take in refugees fleeing the war in Gaza**.
So, to be clear, they want America and the EU to absorb the Gazans.
They’re not wrong about Gaza – it isn’t capable of being stabilized under its current conditions. In geopolitics they say that geography determines destiny, and the geographic reality of Gaza is that if it isn’t economically interconnected with the rest of Israel, it cannot be stabilized. It’s also true that much of the population are intergenerational refugees who cannot be stabilized within the city borders. The plan to fix it has always been to repatriate the refugees there to a Palestinian State. That was the plan that all of Israel’s neighbors have had for their own Palestinian refugee slums, too.
Nor can anyone else take them. Israel’s neighbors are all at CC credit ratings or worse, facing the likelihood of default, and many have Iranian-backed Islamist militia they’re still trying to quash who would be happy to take on recruits. The rest of the Arab world is terrified of importing the same – every country that took in the last Palestinian displacement suffered some kind of collapse, civil war, or insurgency afterwards. Beyond that, it’s politically toxic for them at a time where there is significant political instability. It would be seen domestically as greenlighting forced displacements, where it is believed that Israel would heighten the humanitarian disaster to encourage Gazans to leave. For the Arab states, taking in the Gazans is enormously risky and expensive, with absolutely no tangible benefit.
But as much as it may seem like the only way, it simply isn’t going to happen. These places might agree to take in very limited numbers, but nothing on the scale these two Likudniks are talking about. None of these places want to be seen as complicit in ethnic cleansing at all, and they certainly wouldn’t to do it while importing 2 million of its victims. It would be a security nightmare.
The reality is that there is no immediate offramp for Israel’s situation. By allowing settlement of the Oslo treaty lands, they’ve deprived themselves of a place to put the Palestinians, and most independent scholars and human rights organizations don’t believe that it’s possible for that to be undone anymore. The reality is that they will likely never be able to divest themselves of the Palestinians now, and certainly not in the foreseeable future.
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Is this a joke? They’re literally going to make Gaza uninhabitable until they can resettle it. Then expect the rest of the world to come and clean up after them?
Ethnic cleansing Gaza won’t solve a single one of Israel’s problems.
You shouldn’t be creating refugees that you can’t take in yourself, assholes.
The fucking gall of these people to ethnically cleanse their neighbour and expect us to accept the refugees.
So Israel gets free land and war money from us, yet they also want us to take in refugees? Seems like they benefit from everything, unlike everyone else
Israeli lawmakers be like: “yo guys, how about you help us commit ehtnic cleansing by housing the people we displace and bomb”?
Disgusting fucking scum.
shouldnt isreal take care of the problem they are creating here?
I still don’t understand why the country where they are from and that is attacking them won’t take them in? Why would they leave their homeland?
“Please help us with this ethnic cleansing”
Why should the United States help aid and abet the ethnic cleansing of Gaza?
Palestinians have every right to live where they already live. They are being made into refugees fleeing their own country.
>When asked again whether this was the “Gaza Nakba”, Dichter – a member of the security cabinet and former Shin Bet director – said “Gaza Nakba 2023. That’s how it’ll end.”
What is it with these government officials saying the most unnecessary things. Really? Western countries take refugees? These men are just handing out the fuel to keep the anti-Israel side going.
They can’t take in the Gazan refugees? Since, you know, Israel is one of the reasons for them being refugees?
So basically somebody takes them in or their chances of survival are basically zilch…? Seems not very, let’s say civilized.
Why not just put them all in an independent Palestinian state?
Things have come full circle–the US, UK, Australia, South Africa and other Western nations refused to take in Jewish refugees in any significant numbers after the War (the US finally let some emigrate in 1950, five years after VE Day).
There was literally nowhere on the planet for a million + survivors of the Holocaust, who were stuck in DP camps in Germany, to go to.
So they went to Mandatory Palestine, much of which officially became Israel in 1948.
Now it’s the Palestinians are supposed emigrate–to where, exactly?
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Absolutely not, the people of Gaza belong in Gaza. A permanent displacement should not be the answer. It emboldens the Israeli Right Wing to embrace the tactics of pushing the Palestinians out to other countries, which is a form of regional ethnic cleansing.
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They will never be let back in the country by Israel.
But thats the idea I guess
Ethnic cleansing
Take them in!?! Fuck you, they are already home.
Israel loves pawning off the problems they caused to the rest of the world.
Your mess, you keep em
Nice try. They’re not refugees if you stop killing them. That’s been the objective all along, removing Palestinians from their land to colonise it and never allow them back.
Not a good look to go “yeah sorry guys this is your problem now”. They were so intent on this outcome why don’t they do it themselves?
>Likud’s Danny Danon and Yesh Atid’s Ram Ben Barak, both members of the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, wrote in an editorial published in the Wall Street Journal that **the West should take in refugees fleeing the war in Gaza**.
So, to be clear, they want America and the EU to absorb the Gazans.
They’re not wrong about Gaza – it isn’t capable of being stabilized under its current conditions. In geopolitics they say that geography determines destiny, and the geographic reality of Gaza is that if it isn’t economically interconnected with the rest of Israel, it cannot be stabilized. It’s also true that much of the population are intergenerational refugees who cannot be stabilized within the city borders. The plan to fix it has always been to repatriate the refugees there to a Palestinian State. That was the plan that all of Israel’s neighbors have had for their own Palestinian refugee slums, too.
Nor can anyone else take them. Israel’s neighbors are all at CC credit ratings or worse, facing the likelihood of default, and many have Iranian-backed Islamist militia they’re still trying to quash who would be happy to take on recruits. The rest of the Arab world is terrified of importing the same – every country that took in the last Palestinian displacement suffered some kind of collapse, civil war, or insurgency afterwards. Beyond that, it’s politically toxic for them at a time where there is significant political instability. It would be seen domestically as greenlighting forced displacements, where it is believed that Israel would heighten the humanitarian disaster to encourage Gazans to leave. For the Arab states, taking in the Gazans is enormously risky and expensive, with absolutely no tangible benefit.
But as much as it may seem like the only way, it simply isn’t going to happen. These places might agree to take in very limited numbers, but nothing on the scale these two Likudniks are talking about. None of these places want to be seen as complicit in ethnic cleansing at all, and they certainly wouldn’t to do it while importing 2 million of its victims. It would be a security nightmare.
The reality is that there is no immediate offramp for Israel’s situation. By allowing settlement of the Oslo treaty lands, they’ve deprived themselves of a place to put the Palestinians, and most independent scholars and human rights organizations don’t believe that it’s possible for that to be undone anymore. The reality is that they will likely never be able to divest themselves of the Palestinians now, and certainly not in the foreseeable future.
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Is this a joke? They’re literally going to make Gaza uninhabitable until they can resettle it. Then expect the rest of the world to come and clean up after them?
Ethnic cleansing Gaza won’t solve a single one of Israel’s problems.
You shouldn’t be creating refugees that you can’t take in yourself, assholes.
The fucking gall of these people to ethnically cleanse their neighbour and expect us to accept the refugees.
So Israel gets free land and war money from us, yet they also want us to take in refugees? Seems like they benefit from everything, unlike everyone else
Israeli lawmakers be like: “yo guys, how about you help us commit ehtnic cleansing by housing the people we displace and bomb”?
Disgusting fucking scum.
Arbitrary deportation or forcible transfer of population constitute a [crime against humankind](https://legal.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english/draft_articles/7_4_1996.pdf).
See them [in The Hague](https://www.icc-cpi.int/sites/default/files/Publications/Elements-of-Crimes.pdf).
shouldnt isreal take care of the problem they are creating here?
I still don’t understand why the country where they are from and that is attacking them won’t take them in? Why would they leave their homeland?
“Please help us with this ethnic cleansing”
Why should the United States help aid and abet the ethnic cleansing of Gaza?
Palestinians have every right to live where they already live. They are being made into refugees fleeing their own country.
>When asked again whether this was the “Gaza Nakba”, Dichter – a member of the security cabinet and former Shin Bet director – said “Gaza Nakba 2023. That’s how it’ll end.”
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-11-12/ty-article/israeli-security-cabinet-member-calls-north-gaza-evacuation-nakba-2023/0000018b-c2be-dea2-a9bf-d2be7b670000
What is it with these government officials saying the most unnecessary things. Really? Western countries take refugees? These men are just handing out the fuel to keep the anti-Israel side going.
They can’t take in the Gazan refugees? Since, you know, Israel is one of the reasons for them being refugees?
So basically somebody takes them in or their chances of survival are basically zilch…? Seems not very, let’s say civilized.
Why not just put them all in an independent Palestinian state?
Things have come full circle–the US, UK, Australia, South Africa and other Western nations refused to take in Jewish refugees in any significant numbers after the War (the US finally let some emigrate in 1950, five years after VE Day).
There was literally nowhere on the planet for a million + survivors of the Holocaust, who were stuck in DP camps in Germany, to go to.
So they went to Mandatory Palestine, much of which officially became Israel in 1948.
Now it’s the Palestinians are supposed emigrate–to where, exactly?