Enemies of the people headlines incoming, in 10… 9… 8…
We are out of Europe this is our laws..our supreme court our membership of the UN…hehehe..UNEXIT?
The sad thing is, they’ll probably turn this into ammunition: “we *tried* to do something about immigration (that we knew wouldn’t work because we don’t actually want to solve any immigration problems, just look like we’re trying to, because if we did anything that was actually effective then we would no longer have any kind of election platform, but if we don’t look like we’re doing anything then people will start asking why we didn’t do anything in the decade+ we were in power), but those wokes in the supreme court just wouldn’t let us”
As a taxpayer, I’m really glad that millions of pounds of public money were spent on the creation of a colossal waste of time.
I’m glad the BBC just broadcast the entire judgement from Lord Reed.
Listening to the whole thing, it’s clear that the whole scheme was very obviously illegal under UK law. There’s very little ambiguity around the decision – our own country’s law is clear and this scheme would very clearly be in breach of it.
The evidence that Lord Reed was talking about is open and shut – Rwanda have rejected 100% of asylum claims from countries like Afghanistan even though we know that lots of the asylum claimants are genuine refugees. So it would be in breach of our own law to send refugees to Rwanda knowing that they could be returned to the countries where they face persecution.
There’s no way that the government could have thought that what they were doing was legal, meaning that they have been intentionally wasting **our money** for political gain. They’ve lied to their supporters, and they’ll probably carry on lying about the law and the scheme after this judgement.
If they get one vote at the next General Election, that’s one vote too many.
Labour should team up with the Tories to abolish human rights etc for the Tories last act on government before the election.
And then when labour win, they should remind the Tories they signed away their human rights and sentence them all to life in solitary.
Surprise surprise the idiotic plan that did nothing but look good in right wing newspaper headlines was idiotic *and* unlawful. I would say perhaps they can now work on an actually feasible and effective plan but we all know that ain’t gonna happen
Unanimous.
That’s like a 5-0 drubbing at home.
I think the board of directors needs to intervene and sack the manager
On a side note, can we please have a **Proper** news source, not the Torygraph. Bin this and put the BBC post back up.
This is the correct decision. This was always red meat for those right wing racists.
If you a racist and are against this ruling, you have to ask yourself if you’re ok with sending asylum seekers to an unsafe country.
And now the Tories can pivot to calling for a withdrawal from the ECHR. Which I have a horrible feeling was the point all along.
The Tories will make the next election about leaving the ECHR.. and a lot of the population will lap it up
The sheer amount of money the government have invested in trying to implement and fight for the Rwanda plan must be staggering. If they had instead put that into expanding the system that processes peoples claims then the backlog would probably be much smaller than it is now.
I know I’ll get a months ban for this comment, but is it right that the Telegraph is able to post articles as soon as a story breaks?
As r/unitedkingdom only allows one article for a story we are now getting only one viewpoint and a lot of them seem to be coming more and more from government mouthpieces such as the Telegraph.
I mean, Cruella and Inactionman were told this multiple times by multiple expert in international and domestic law…. so….. Welcome to your first day in charge James Cleverly! Have fun!
Duh. I didn’t need to be a law lord to figure that out.
Real Q though is where do we house them? Because there sure as hell aren’t any houses. Just keep paying for hotels?
A complete waste of taxpayers’ money. Predicted from the outset.
Personally, I think the taxpayer should be refunded by those idiot politicians who advocated this policy along with their cheerleaders in the *Telegraph*, *Mail*, *Express* and *Sun*.
I suspect this was probably always the expectation and they simply wanted this decision as a prerequisite to withdraw from the ECHR and the UN treaties referenced.
That said, with Rishi’s latest reshuffle, I’m perhaps optimistically thinking (albeit not convinced) that he got rid of the most fervent right-wing nutters from his cabinet and whilst there’s still plenty right-wingers in there, they’re at least marginally more moderate and withdrawing from the ECHR is hopefully no longer a consideration.
Whilst this was good news (and bloody obvious) we now get to look forward to being dragged out of the ECHR and thrown into a hellscape even our victorian ancestors could not have imagined.
Imagine if we’d spent the ~£150 million spent in this scheme on just processing Asylum claims.
Suella Braverman explained to Rishi that he needed to change the UK law and withdraw from the ECHR to avoid this – so she was 100% right again.
Hopefully the Tories get wiped out and Labour bans them from weaseling off to work for their lobbyists.
Yesss, now we can focus on the housing crisis, cost of living crisis, environmental crisis, and literally anything else, right?
Largest invasion and destruction of the UK continues?
And the Tories sit there with the LARGEST POLITICAL majority and ability to fix any law and do nothing….
Hopefully they get made unemployed forever.
“Come to Hotel Rwanda, were the staff hacks you up. I mean welcomes you.”
This was probably the right decision legally under the UN conventions and ECHR but that does leave western Europe in a bit of a pickle. Climate based migration has barely started. War, famine, death and large scale collapses will accelerate the movement of people. Huge swathes of this planet will become difficult to live in and farm and those people have to live somewhere. Where do they go and how do we handle this?
On 2016 my flight back from Uganda with only 100 people on it diverted down to Rwanda and Burundi to take over 100 refugees from these countries to be processed in Belgium.
It beggars belief that we could ever export refugees to a country which themselves have their own refugees.
And people are paying thousands to visit Rwanda, a pretty amazing place to visit btw, and they get to go for free?
If the Government want to discourage people coming to live in the UK, all they need to do is make a documentary about life here; high inflation, rising rents, no new houses being built, food banks, a shitty benefits system that’s designed to discourage applying for it, stripped back public services (basically nothing works), councils going bankrupt, sewage in the rivers… the list is nearly endless and are almost all problems introduced by the Tories in the last 13 years.
This was always a particularly callous boondoggle.
What we *should* be doing – and I say this as a left-winger – is firming up our borders, making concessions for genuine refugees and limiting the import of economic migrants. E.g. speeding up the asylum application process, deporting swiftly when required, hardening the laissez-faire attitude towards entry and investing in infrastructure designed to accommodate the influx while they’re dealt with (instead of stick them in a hotel and hope for the best).
This can all be done without demonising the migrants, mistreating them or letting them drown in attempted border crossings. As compassionate as I try to be, we don’t owe economic migrants diddly-squat, *except* basic respect and humanity. Those we can provide without being taken for a ride, and without, y’know, *flying them out to bloody Africa.*
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Enemies of the people headlines incoming, in 10… 9… 8…
We are out of Europe this is our laws..our supreme court our membership of the UN…hehehe..UNEXIT?
The sad thing is, they’ll probably turn this into ammunition: “we *tried* to do something about immigration (that we knew wouldn’t work because we don’t actually want to solve any immigration problems, just look like we’re trying to, because if we did anything that was actually effective then we would no longer have any kind of election platform, but if we don’t look like we’re doing anything then people will start asking why we didn’t do anything in the decade+ we were in power), but those wokes in the supreme court just wouldn’t let us”
As a taxpayer, I’m really glad that millions of pounds of public money were spent on the creation of a colossal waste of time.
I’m glad the BBC just broadcast the entire judgement from Lord Reed.
Listening to the whole thing, it’s clear that the whole scheme was very obviously illegal under UK law. There’s very little ambiguity around the decision – our own country’s law is clear and this scheme would very clearly be in breach of it.
The evidence that Lord Reed was talking about is open and shut – Rwanda have rejected 100% of asylum claims from countries like Afghanistan even though we know that lots of the asylum claimants are genuine refugees. So it would be in breach of our own law to send refugees to Rwanda knowing that they could be returned to the countries where they face persecution.
There’s no way that the government could have thought that what they were doing was legal, meaning that they have been intentionally wasting **our money** for political gain. They’ve lied to their supporters, and they’ll probably carry on lying about the law and the scheme after this judgement.
If they get one vote at the next General Election, that’s one vote too many.
Labour should team up with the Tories to abolish human rights etc for the Tories last act on government before the election.
And then when labour win, they should remind the Tories they signed away their human rights and sentence them all to life in solitary.
Surprise surprise the idiotic plan that did nothing but look good in right wing newspaper headlines was idiotic *and* unlawful. I would say perhaps they can now work on an actually feasible and effective plan but we all know that ain’t gonna happen
Unanimous.
That’s like a 5-0 drubbing at home.
I think the board of directors needs to intervene and sack the manager
On a side note, can we please have a **Proper** news source, not the Torygraph. Bin this and put the BBC post back up.
This is the correct decision. This was always red meat for those right wing racists.
If you a racist and are against this ruling, you have to ask yourself if you’re ok with sending asylum seekers to an unsafe country.
And now the Tories can pivot to calling for a withdrawal from the ECHR. Which I have a horrible feeling was the point all along.
The Tories will make the next election about leaving the ECHR.. and a lot of the population will lap it up
The sheer amount of money the government have invested in trying to implement and fight for the Rwanda plan must be staggering. If they had instead put that into expanding the system that processes peoples claims then the backlog would probably be much smaller than it is now.
I know I’ll get a months ban for this comment, but is it right that the Telegraph is able to post articles as soon as a story breaks?
As r/unitedkingdom only allows one article for a story we are now getting only one viewpoint and a lot of them seem to be coming more and more from government mouthpieces such as the Telegraph.
I mean, Cruella and Inactionman were told this multiple times by multiple expert in international and domestic law…. so….. Welcome to your first day in charge James Cleverly! Have fun!
Duh. I didn’t need to be a law lord to figure that out.
Real Q though is where do we house them? Because there sure as hell aren’t any houses. Just keep paying for hotels?
A complete waste of taxpayers’ money. Predicted from the outset.
Personally, I think the taxpayer should be refunded by those idiot politicians who advocated this policy along with their cheerleaders in the *Telegraph*, *Mail*, *Express* and *Sun*.
I suspect this was probably always the expectation and they simply wanted this decision as a prerequisite to withdraw from the ECHR and the UN treaties referenced.
That said, with Rishi’s latest reshuffle, I’m perhaps optimistically thinking (albeit not convinced) that he got rid of the most fervent right-wing nutters from his cabinet and whilst there’s still plenty right-wingers in there, they’re at least marginally more moderate and withdrawing from the ECHR is hopefully no longer a consideration.
Whilst this was good news (and bloody obvious) we now get to look forward to being dragged out of the ECHR and thrown into a hellscape even our victorian ancestors could not have imagined.
Imagine if we’d spent the ~£150 million spent in this scheme on just processing Asylum claims.
Suella Braverman explained to Rishi that he needed to change the UK law and withdraw from the ECHR to avoid this – so she was 100% right again.
Hopefully the Tories get wiped out and Labour bans them from weaseling off to work for their lobbyists.
Yesss, now we can focus on the housing crisis, cost of living crisis, environmental crisis, and literally anything else, right?
Largest invasion and destruction of the UK continues?
And the Tories sit there with the LARGEST POLITICAL majority and ability to fix any law and do nothing….
Hopefully they get made unemployed forever.
“Come to Hotel Rwanda, were the staff hacks you up. I mean welcomes you.”
This was probably the right decision legally under the UN conventions and ECHR but that does leave western Europe in a bit of a pickle. Climate based migration has barely started. War, famine, death and large scale collapses will accelerate the movement of people. Huge swathes of this planet will become difficult to live in and farm and those people have to live somewhere. Where do they go and how do we handle this?
On 2016 my flight back from Uganda with only 100 people on it diverted down to Rwanda and Burundi to take over 100 refugees from these countries to be processed in Belgium.
It beggars belief that we could ever export refugees to a country which themselves have their own refugees.
And people are paying thousands to visit Rwanda, a pretty amazing place to visit btw, and they get to go for free?
If the Government want to discourage people coming to live in the UK, all they need to do is make a documentary about life here; high inflation, rising rents, no new houses being built, food banks, a shitty benefits system that’s designed to discourage applying for it, stripped back public services (basically nothing works), councils going bankrupt, sewage in the rivers… the list is nearly endless and are almost all problems introduced by the Tories in the last 13 years.
This was always a particularly callous boondoggle.
What we *should* be doing – and I say this as a left-winger – is firming up our borders, making concessions for genuine refugees and limiting the import of economic migrants. E.g. speeding up the asylum application process, deporting swiftly when required, hardening the laissez-faire attitude towards entry and investing in infrastructure designed to accommodate the influx while they’re dealt with (instead of stick them in a hotel and hope for the best).
This can all be done without demonising the migrants, mistreating them or letting them drown in attempted border crossings. As compassionate as I try to be, we don’t owe economic migrants diddly-squat, *except* basic respect and humanity. Those we can provide without being taken for a ride, and without, y’know, *flying them out to bloody Africa.*