If any government official thinks we can hit zero combustion cars by 2035 they’re on absolute crack, especially with things like this being rolled back.
All that will happen is that when people with garages and driveways change to an e car, the rest of us who live in flats with not even communal parking will just mop up the second hand relatively new petrol cars px’d by the people changing over.
>The original plan required every new and existing non-residential building with parking for 20 cars or more to install a charger.
I mean. it’s a great idea and all, but I having spoken to a mate who owns a carpark with 30 spaces in a Cornish tourist village, the cost of adding charging points was prohibitive due to getting a suitable supply to his site. His attitude was that he only netted about £3k a year from running the car park and it just wouldn’t be worth the effort so he would close it and do something else with the land if he could.
Sure if you run a number of large car parks like NCP or the local council it might be worth conforming but for a small shop or a pub or something, it’s just another thing you have to spend out on with little return.
Afew manufacturers are looking at hydrogen as a possible alternative. Which a diesel motor can be converted to run with minimal work. And hydrogen is highly abundant.
Power generation will be the more pressing issue.
Replacing coal/gas fired power stations with nuclear is the quickest fix but every seems averse to using it.
I’d love an electric car but don’t have a driveway and they’re expensive
It’s an endless loop. They won’t build chargers because not enough people have electric cars, and people won’t buy electric cars because you can’t charge them anywhere.
Let the “fuel duty stabiliser” keep increasing fuel prices, fail to make electric a viable option for millions, shrug as people can’t afford to get to work.
Brilliant.
I mean the government COULD just help smaller commercial carparks subsidize the cost of the charger, but that would imply they actually want to be net zero by 2035
As if ruining the country wasn’t enough, the Tories want to ruin the world too. Their mindless base will still vote for them though, i’m sure
Such a surprise, I recall me and lots of other cynics being heavily downvoted when we said this would happen.
On the one hand you’re rightly mistrusting of anything government says, yet when they say stuff like all car parks and lampposts will have chargers in then you believe them.
They never will, mass uptake of electric cars is a pipe dream.
The government’s commitment to green policies really was all a load of hot air for COP26.
All this promise of electric cars by 2030 is never going to happen until we have the infrastructure to power it!
If you think most houses have 2 cars, think how many cars will be on charge over night. Rolls Royce have even started building their mini nuclear power stations. No way they’re ready in time. Tories utterly fucked the deal with EDF to get the new plant built. Some are going longer than they should and some are being shut down slowly never really reaching 100% output.
We haven’t had one nuclear plant built since the late 80s.
Nuclear fusion can’t come soon enough.
How about better public transport, bike and walking infrastructure so people don’t need cars to get everywhere?
We need lampposts that’s are on the road side of the pavement to be retrofitted with a double charger so that on the road parking spaces can be utilised for two cars. This could easily be spaced out along main roads etc.
The big selling point of EV ownership is charging at home using a low electric tariff. If I could pay the same electric price when out and about as I could when at home then that’s fine but the higher charging cost of electric seems like a tax on people who can’t home charge.
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Ah, yes, ths same Govt that cried “the time is now!” has, if my memory serves right – removed the electric car grant, reduced tax incentives for electric cars and is now sabotaging the previously promised infrastructure for electric cars.
And here I am ordering a petroal car in 2022 becaues electric is both too expensive, and cost prohibitive for the infrastructure and my Landlord is a dick. Won’t install a car charging port, even if I pay for it, just flat out refuses. (I’d do it anyway if I had an electric car, sod ’em).
Having worked on a project where a new car park was being built and about 50 ev chargers were being added, the greatest cost was having to install a new substation…
Ignoring the cost implications of this, some (probably most) car parks may not have the space for a substation without having to take away a number of spaces for both space and security reasons.
Including the cost…it’s a lot. I’m not saying give up on it, but it’s not as simple as just adding some chargers to some car parks.
It’s because they’ve realised that they can tax home car charging at the charge point. The rest is litigating to make it happen, and let’s be honest, it’s people who have homes and solar panels that most likely have an electric car
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If any government official thinks we can hit zero combustion cars by 2035 they’re on absolute crack, especially with things like this being rolled back.
All that will happen is that when people with garages and driveways change to an e car, the rest of us who live in flats with not even communal parking will just mop up the second hand relatively new petrol cars px’d by the people changing over.
>The original plan required every new and existing non-residential building with parking for 20 cars or more to install a charger.
I mean. it’s a great idea and all, but I having spoken to a mate who owns a carpark with 30 spaces in a Cornish tourist village, the cost of adding charging points was prohibitive due to getting a suitable supply to his site. His attitude was that he only netted about £3k a year from running the car park and it just wouldn’t be worth the effort so he would close it and do something else with the land if he could.
Sure if you run a number of large car parks like NCP or the local council it might be worth conforming but for a small shop or a pub or something, it’s just another thing you have to spend out on with little return.
Afew manufacturers are looking at hydrogen as a possible alternative. Which a diesel motor can be converted to run with minimal work. And hydrogen is highly abundant.
Power generation will be the more pressing issue.
Replacing coal/gas fired power stations with nuclear is the quickest fix but every seems averse to using it.
I’d love an electric car but don’t have a driveway and they’re expensive
It’s an endless loop. They won’t build chargers because not enough people have electric cars, and people won’t buy electric cars because you can’t charge them anywhere.
Let the “fuel duty stabiliser” keep increasing fuel prices, fail to make electric a viable option for millions, shrug as people can’t afford to get to work.
Brilliant.
I mean the government COULD just help smaller commercial carparks subsidize the cost of the charger, but that would imply they actually want to be net zero by 2035
As if ruining the country wasn’t enough, the Tories want to ruin the world too. Their mindless base will still vote for them though, i’m sure
Such a surprise, I recall me and lots of other cynics being heavily downvoted when we said this would happen.
On the one hand you’re rightly mistrusting of anything government says, yet when they say stuff like all car parks and lampposts will have chargers in then you believe them.
They never will, mass uptake of electric cars is a pipe dream.
The government’s commitment to green policies really was all a load of hot air for COP26.
All this promise of electric cars by 2030 is never going to happen until we have the infrastructure to power it!
If you think most houses have 2 cars, think how many cars will be on charge over night. Rolls Royce have even started building their mini nuclear power stations. No way they’re ready in time. Tories utterly fucked the deal with EDF to get the new plant built. Some are going longer than they should and some are being shut down slowly never really reaching 100% output.
We haven’t had one nuclear plant built since the late 80s.
Nuclear fusion can’t come soon enough.
How about better public transport, bike and walking infrastructure so people don’t need cars to get everywhere?
We need lampposts that’s are on the road side of the pavement to be retrofitted with a double charger so that on the road parking spaces can be utilised for two cars. This could easily be spaced out along main roads etc.
The big selling point of EV ownership is charging at home using a low electric tariff. If I could pay the same electric price when out and about as I could when at home then that’s fine but the higher charging cost of electric seems like a tax on people who can’t home charge.
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Ah, yes, ths same Govt that cried “the time is now!” has, if my memory serves right – removed the electric car grant, reduced tax incentives for electric cars and is now sabotaging the previously promised infrastructure for electric cars.
And here I am ordering a petroal car in 2022 becaues electric is both too expensive, and cost prohibitive for the infrastructure and my Landlord is a dick. Won’t install a car charging port, even if I pay for it, just flat out refuses. (I’d do it anyway if I had an electric car, sod ’em).
Having worked on a project where a new car park was being built and about 50 ev chargers were being added, the greatest cost was having to install a new substation…
Ignoring the cost implications of this, some (probably most) car parks may not have the space for a substation without having to take away a number of spaces for both space and security reasons.
Including the cost…it’s a lot. I’m not saying give up on it, but it’s not as simple as just adding some chargers to some car parks.
It’s because they’ve realised that they can tax home car charging at the charge point. The rest is litigating to make it happen, and let’s be honest, it’s people who have homes and solar panels that most likely have an electric car