If both parties are consenting, healthy and lawful, I see not reason to keep that away from someone.
Her body her choice
>”I don’t think it’s acceptable for men to purchase women,”
I don’t think it is acceptable for women to need to sell themselves in the first place. It is a strange thing for a social democrat to say. Prostitution doesn’t stop because you ban it. You just drive the victims into illegality.
Yeah, not even us Germans know where the fuck he took this idea from, it makes no sense. All people I know (from various age groups) don’t care about it at all.
It’s none of his business. It’s nobody’s business.
>Scholz didn’t respond directly to a demand from opposition conservative lawmakers to prosecute “people who purchase the services of sex work,”
Methinks that is all you need to know about Scholz.
He seems to know a lot about it.
Well, I don’t think it’s acceptable to be involved in Cum-ex-scandals and keep your office with the low effort excuse of “can’t remember”, but it seems we’re all not getting what we want.
– Sex for money with camera: *”wonderful, art for, constitutional protection, lets have erotic conventions, great influencer, role models, feminism, strong female power”*
– Sex for money without camera: *”rape, abuse, slave trade, forbidden, purchaser needed to be hunted down, supression “* *
*Terms and conditions apply: it is ok if you are rich, furthermore we will reduce all corresponding social help programs and in the end vulnerable women are left alone and are pushed back into black market work. Or deported.
SYL
‘Member when folk didn’t try to glamourise prostitution. Fucking idiots.
>I don’t think it’s acceptable for men to purchase women“
So men buying other men or women buying men is fair game then?
Someone is probably trying to divert attention from his cum-ex entanglements.
A friend who lives in Germany loves this opportunity.. he loves to meet with nice Brazilian women, but he also appreciates the Polish ones. He’s complaining that the price is too high now and that it should not go over 100e/h… As for me, I am just thinking on how much money I’d save if I were in his place..(and not do this thing).
~~As for me… I would legalize this in every country. It might avoid some nasty events involving men who can’t get a lady ..~~
So Thanks to the redditor below I found out that legalizing prostitution increases the amount of human trafficking, which I am totally against, so logically I must be against prostitution. I’m also thinking about what the girls would do once they are no longer attractive.. it might be hard to get a normal job..
German here.
As if sex for sale was anything new.
Unacceptable? Lol. Rather unpreventable. Look at human history
Ninety percent of identified victims of trafficking for commercial sexual exploitation came from Europe, including 28 percent from Germany, 20 percent from Romania, and 18 percent from Bulgaria. Non-European victims originate in Nigeria, other parts of Africa, Asia, Europe and the Americas. Almost one-quarter of identified trafficking victims were children. The majority of identified sex trafficking victims have been exploited in bars, brothels, and apartments – approximately one third of identified sex trafficking victims reported that they had agreed initially to engage in prostitution. Victims of forced labor have been identified in hotels, domestic service, construction sites, and restaurants. Police estimate that gangs brought around 1,000 Chinese people to Germany over the past decade and forced them to work in restaurants under exploitative conditions.
It was work thousands of years so he is saying bullshit, it will just move this work to the shadows and nothing more.
Good for him, I totally agree. Human beings are not a commodity to be bought, sold, or rented
Alcohol prohibition is another thing that works really well.
I found the documentary Mega Brothel to be very eye opening on the topic.
It seems easy to want legalization and much harder to grapple with the notion that it may make things worse
If the sexworker does it on his/ her own terms and isnt manipulated or pressured to do so then I dont see whats wrong with that. The state will never enforce minimal standards in sexwork if its done illegal.
Here’s the thing:
First, Germans don’t have a problem with legal prostitution. Second, if you “ban” legal prostitution, the girls will work illegaly. Instead of organising themselves, they will need pimps again to protect them from other underworld characters who they now have to deal with. Horrible idea, next one please.
German here. It’s absolutely ridiculous. Instead of stigmatising sex work, the people should get better protection etc. It’s a job like any other and studies show it’s even kinda necessary to keep sexual violence in check (not 100% obviously, but every bit helps).
It’s insane because everyone with a common sense knows that prostitution doesn’t disappear because you ban it. You just gave away the right to regulate it properly and offer protection to people involved.
You don’t want people to sell their bodies for monetary gain? Then try to expand the economy to include their skills.
Old man yells at cloud.
He either says nothing or just crap.
It’s not a big topic around here but personally I think legal prostitution is fine and probably a good thing as long as it is 100% guarenteed that nobody is forced to do this work.
Rather keep it legal. Atleast you can have some level of compliance with Public Health policies. It is safer for sex workers aswell.
Sexwork should be illegal. A person shouldn’t have to be forced into sex for money as is the case right now. That being said since outlawing sexwork at the current point in our system would lead to more abuse in the industry, harder rules need to be set and sex work needs to move away from privatization. If you can control the contraception, mental health care and conditions of those who feel like doing sexwork, you are one step closer to a healthy environment for those who actually do the work.
Sex workers are just like any other workers, entitled to a secure workplace that doesn’t put them in harms way.
I think if she wants to be a whore she should be aloud to.
The Germans went from Angela Merkel to Olaf Scholz… What a step down.
He is more pro „money can buy politicians“. And don’t need to recall anything that happened
I agree
What’s unacceptable is the people that are getting trafficked to work as sex slaves.
What’s unacceptable is that there are people exploiting them
What’s unacceptable is that they should have other opportunities to pursue than sex work if they so please.
What’s unacceptable is how long it takes to save trafficked people if ever.
That’s what’s unacceptable
Sex work is sometimes the only place to get sex for some people. If both parties agree without being forced, why not?
Disgusting where
A lot of americans in the comments acting as if they know wtf they’re talking about again
Forced sex work is indeed unacceptable.
But sex work by choice is not. There are countless women who would rather offer sex in exchange of money than work a physically demanding and low paid job. Not everybody sees sex as some kind of mystic act born out of love. Some people, actually a lot of people, see it as a rather mundane act that is not that different from the exchange of other forms of performance.
Who are we to decide what they should do with their body?
If he worries about human trafficking, there are other ways to stop exploitation.
If the two people involved are consenting it’s no one elses business.
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If both parties are consenting, healthy and lawful, I see not reason to keep that away from someone.
Her body her choice
>”I don’t think it’s acceptable for men to purchase women,”
I don’t think it is acceptable for women to need to sell themselves in the first place. It is a strange thing for a social democrat to say. Prostitution doesn’t stop because you ban it. You just drive the victims into illegality.
Yeah, not even us Germans know where the fuck he took this idea from, it makes no sense. All people I know (from various age groups) don’t care about it at all.
It’s none of his business. It’s nobody’s business.
>Scholz didn’t respond directly to a demand from opposition conservative lawmakers to prosecute “people who purchase the services of sex work,”
Methinks that is all you need to know about Scholz.
He seems to know a lot about it.
Well, I don’t think it’s acceptable to be involved in Cum-ex-scandals and keep your office with the low effort excuse of “can’t remember”, but it seems we’re all not getting what we want.
– Sex for money with camera: *”wonderful, art for, constitutional protection, lets have erotic conventions, great influencer, role models, feminism, strong female power”*
– Sex for money without camera: *”rape, abuse, slave trade, forbidden, purchaser needed to be hunted down, supression “* *
[“See here how one of Germany’s most infamous actors rapes a woman on camera”](https://media.gettyimages.com/id/501097907/it/foto/heinz-erhardt-ehefrau-gilda-tochter-verena-haacker-homestory-hamburg-deutschland-europa-garten.jpg?s=612×612&w=gi&k=20&c=gL0khDkuTad3YNqMd9fn4UAhZsRLgecSCP9KiAQYSjE=)
*Terms and conditions apply: it is ok if you are rich, furthermore we will reduce all corresponding social help programs and in the end vulnerable women are left alone and are pushed back into black market work. Or deported.
SYL
‘Member when folk didn’t try to glamourise prostitution. Fucking idiots.
>I don’t think it’s acceptable for men to purchase women“
So men buying other men or women buying men is fair game then?
Someone is probably trying to divert attention from his cum-ex entanglements.
A friend who lives in Germany loves this opportunity.. he loves to meet with nice Brazilian women, but he also appreciates the Polish ones. He’s complaining that the price is too high now and that it should not go over 100e/h… As for me, I am just thinking on how much money I’d save if I were in his place..(and not do this thing).
~~As for me… I would legalize this in every country. It might avoid some nasty events involving men who can’t get a lady ..~~
So Thanks to the redditor below I found out that legalizing prostitution increases the amount of human trafficking, which I am totally against, so logically I must be against prostitution. I’m also thinking about what the girls would do once they are no longer attractive.. it might be hard to get a normal job..
German here.
As if sex for sale was anything new.
Unacceptable? Lol. Rather unpreventable. Look at human history
Keep it legal. Keep it safe.
blowjob is still a job 🤷
Prostitution is inhumane and disgusting.
[https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/gesellschaft/prostituierte-in-deutschland-vergewaltigt-vergessen-verloren-a-8b3d6b82-8c5b-430c-be19-70cf52d3535c](https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/gesellschaft/prostituierte-in-deutschland-vergewaltigt-vergessen-verloren-a-8b3d6b82-8c5b-430c-be19-70cf52d3535c)
Scholz is a spineless twat. No values.
All these years nobody cared. He is only saying this because conservatives are picking up the topic, just like the migration issue.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_trafficking_in_Germany
Ninety percent of identified victims of trafficking for commercial sexual exploitation came from Europe, including 28 percent from Germany, 20 percent from Romania, and 18 percent from Bulgaria. Non-European victims originate in Nigeria, other parts of Africa, Asia, Europe and the Americas. Almost one-quarter of identified trafficking victims were children. The majority of identified sex trafficking victims have been exploited in bars, brothels, and apartments – approximately one third of identified sex trafficking victims reported that they had agreed initially to engage in prostitution. Victims of forced labor have been identified in hotels, domestic service, construction sites, and restaurants. Police estimate that gangs brought around 1,000 Chinese people to Germany over the past decade and forced them to work in restaurants under exploitative conditions.
It was work thousands of years so he is saying bullshit, it will just move this work to the shadows and nothing more.
Good for him, I totally agree. Human beings are not a commodity to be bought, sold, or rented
Alcohol prohibition is another thing that works really well.
I found the documentary Mega Brothel to be very eye opening on the topic.
It seems easy to want legalization and much harder to grapple with the notion that it may make things worse
If the sexworker does it on his/ her own terms and isnt manipulated or pressured to do so then I dont see whats wrong with that. The state will never enforce minimal standards in sexwork if its done illegal.
Here’s the thing:
First, Germans don’t have a problem with legal prostitution. Second, if you “ban” legal prostitution, the girls will work illegaly. Instead of organising themselves, they will need pimps again to protect them from other underworld characters who they now have to deal with. Horrible idea, next one please.
German here. It’s absolutely ridiculous. Instead of stigmatising sex work, the people should get better protection etc. It’s a job like any other and studies show it’s even kinda necessary to keep sexual violence in check (not 100% obviously, but every bit helps).
It’s insane because everyone with a common sense knows that prostitution doesn’t disappear because you ban it. You just gave away the right to regulate it properly and offer protection to people involved.
You don’t want people to sell their bodies for monetary gain? Then try to expand the economy to include their skills.
Old man yells at cloud.
He either says nothing or just crap.
It’s not a big topic around here but personally I think legal prostitution is fine and probably a good thing as long as it is 100% guarenteed that nobody is forced to do this work.
Rather keep it legal. Atleast you can have some level of compliance with Public Health policies. It is safer for sex workers aswell.
Sexwork should be illegal. A person shouldn’t have to be forced into sex for money as is the case right now. That being said since outlawing sexwork at the current point in our system would lead to more abuse in the industry, harder rules need to be set and sex work needs to move away from privatization. If you can control the contraception, mental health care and conditions of those who feel like doing sexwork, you are one step closer to a healthy environment for those who actually do the work.
Sex workers are just like any other workers, entitled to a secure workplace that doesn’t put them in harms way.
I think if she wants to be a whore she should be aloud to.
The Germans went from Angela Merkel to Olaf Scholz… What a step down.
He is more pro „money can buy politicians“. And don’t need to recall anything that happened
I agree
What’s unacceptable is the people that are getting trafficked to work as sex slaves.
What’s unacceptable is that there are people exploiting them
What’s unacceptable is that they should have other opportunities to pursue than sex work if they so please.
What’s unacceptable is how long it takes to save trafficked people if ever.
That’s what’s unacceptable
Sex work is sometimes the only place to get sex for some people. If both parties agree without being forced, why not?
Disgusting where
A lot of americans in the comments acting as if they know wtf they’re talking about again
Forced sex work is indeed unacceptable.
But sex work by choice is not. There are countless women who would rather offer sex in exchange of money than work a physically demanding and low paid job. Not everybody sees sex as some kind of mystic act born out of love. Some people, actually a lot of people, see it as a rather mundane act that is not that different from the exchange of other forms of performance.
Who are we to decide what they should do with their body?
If he worries about human trafficking, there are other ways to stop exploitation.
If the two people involved are consenting it’s no one elses business.