I get that they have a terrible history with the Holocaust but this pandering is borderline cringe. Antisemitic people are just going to say they recognize Israel just to get the citizenship, it’s not going to change anything at all.
These people are out of touch if they think they’ve found a gotcha, what are they expecting? If an antisemite recognizes Israel he immediately combusts into nothingness? Antisemites can’t lie?
Seems like a test on knowledge of German history / the holocaust would be a better idea.
This just seems like pandering.
Its a discussion which was brought into parliament by the opposition, which uses “say and do anything that the gov won’t” as its main tactic right now.
Literally nothing will happen.
Those drafts will be discussed for a while, and then will be shut down.
Honestly, I am amazed that by now even unimportant stuff like that gets reported internationally… maybe the media should concentrate on the stuff we **actually** fuck up.
lmao
Germany this is just becoming stupid. We all know the horrible history that is still guilt tripping the country but I think at some point it needs to stop.
The pandering to Israel is just laughable especially as they are currently just behaving the way Germany has vowed to never go back to..
Germany: if virtue signaling was a country.
Is okay, let them implement their political inquisition, as long as they clearly indicate recognition of Israel within which borders. Not just a vague concept. Like people should also recognize the rights of Israel settlements in WB and east Jerusalem or discussing them is antisemitic? Germany does not recognize the state of Palestine and not even clear whether they support a one-state or two-state.
Ironically, this would prevent up to 2 million [Jews who don’t recognize Israel as a state](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haredim_and_Zionism), from obtaining German citizenship. So the law could end up being a bit of an anti-semitic one.
Germany what the fuck are you even doing anymore lmao
are they allowing people to recognize both? or only exclusively recognize israel?
If we then deported people who commit anti semitic crimes, we’d have a good thing there. But I doubt it, deportation is too tough for many people (sadly).
As many have said before “Israel doesn’t equal all Jews”. I’m all for a Jewish state and of course for Germany, especially, to recognize and repay for the holocaust. That being said pandering to Israel like this isn’t really the best idea in my eyes. I get the Germans as a whole have a national guilt and debt to the Jews for their country’s historical actions but I just don’t see how a test on German history or at least forcing a recognition of the holocaust would be better…
>recognition of Israel
Like one of those Captcha grids and you have to click all the photos with Israel in them.
Source criticism? Anyone?
Tell me you don’t want to take on more arabs, without teling me you dont’t want to take in more arabs.
What are they going to do with Germans who don’t recognize Israel ? Just shoot you to the moon ?
Why stop at Israel? What about Kosovo?
Should also add gay rights, gender equality, not flipping out by book burnings.
There’s a huge difference in-between a draft and something that is really voted… It’s also a problem since there’s also a link with being “anti-palestinian” while Palestine is recognized by alot of countries.
I don’t think it will be voted, especially since alot of Germans aren’t happy how Israel is managing state sponsored terrorism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_state-sponsored_terrorism
Heh. Never has one country wound up with so much fealty from others. Truly bizarre that it has come to that; but more so, when other situations where actual genocide and/or ethnic cleansing is shown (fact wise) to be happening (myanmar for example)…Germany/Europe cannot seem to be bothered, much, to life a finger. Unfortunate.
Germany also recognizes other 200 countries around the world. Will Germany require individuals to recognize those other countries as well to get citizenship? Why should Germany care?
People are misunderstanding the purpose of questions like this in immigration and citizenship forms. It’s not because the government expects you to admit that you are a terrorist or felon (frequent questions on forms like this) or that, in this case, you reject Israeli statehood. Of course you will lie.
The point is that, when you are later found out to have lied, your citizenship can be nullified, or you can be prosecuted for fraudulently filling out the immigration or citizenship application.
To be fair. If they do that, then they should also add condition to recognize Palestinians right to a state of their own based on two state solution and recognizing settlements in west bank to be illegal.
And recognition of Palestine?
And recognition of Palestine?
And recognition of Palestine?
Seems the bot is rejecting answers it considers to be too short.
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I get that they have a terrible history with the Holocaust but this pandering is borderline cringe. Antisemitic people are just going to say they recognize Israel just to get the citizenship, it’s not going to change anything at all.
These people are out of touch if they think they’ve found a gotcha, what are they expecting? If an antisemite recognizes Israel he immediately combusts into nothingness? Antisemites can’t lie?
Seems like a test on knowledge of German history / the holocaust would be a better idea.
This just seems like pandering.
Its a discussion which was brought into parliament by the opposition, which uses “say and do anything that the gov won’t” as its main tactic right now.
Literally nothing will happen.
Those drafts will be discussed for a while, and then will be shut down.
Honestly, I am amazed that by now even unimportant stuff like that gets reported internationally… maybe the media should concentrate on the stuff we **actually** fuck up.
lmao
Germany this is just becoming stupid. We all know the horrible history that is still guilt tripping the country but I think at some point it needs to stop.
The pandering to Israel is just laughable especially as they are currently just behaving the way Germany has vowed to never go back to..
Germany: if virtue signaling was a country.
Is okay, let them implement their political inquisition, as long as they clearly indicate recognition of Israel within which borders. Not just a vague concept. Like people should also recognize the rights of Israel settlements in WB and east Jerusalem or discussing them is antisemitic? Germany does not recognize the state of Palestine and not even clear whether they support a one-state or two-state.
Ironically, this would prevent up to 2 million [Jews who don’t recognize Israel as a state](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haredim_and_Zionism), from obtaining German citizenship. So the law could end up being a bit of an anti-semitic one.
Germany what the fuck are you even doing anymore lmao
are they allowing people to recognize both? or only exclusively recognize israel?
If we then deported people who commit anti semitic crimes, we’d have a good thing there. But I doubt it, deportation is too tough for many people (sadly).
As many have said before “Israel doesn’t equal all Jews”. I’m all for a Jewish state and of course for Germany, especially, to recognize and repay for the holocaust. That being said pandering to Israel like this isn’t really the best idea in my eyes. I get the Germans as a whole have a national guilt and debt to the Jews for their country’s historical actions but I just don’t see how a test on German history or at least forcing a recognition of the holocaust would be better…
>recognition of Israel
Like one of those Captcha grids and you have to click all the photos with Israel in them.
Source criticism? Anyone?
Tell me you don’t want to take on more arabs, without teling me you dont’t want to take in more arabs.
What are they going to do with Germans who don’t recognize Israel ? Just shoot you to the moon ?
Why stop at Israel? What about Kosovo?
Should also add gay rights, gender equality, not flipping out by book burnings.
There’s a huge difference in-between a draft and something that is really voted… It’s also a problem since there’s also a link with being “anti-palestinian” while Palestine is recognized by alot of countries.
I don’t think it will be voted, especially since alot of Germans aren’t happy how Israel is managing state sponsored terrorism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_state-sponsored_terrorism
https://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-1-in-3-germans-have-poor-view-of-israel-dont-see-responsibility-toward-jews/
Heh. Never has one country wound up with so much fealty from others. Truly bizarre that it has come to that; but more so, when other situations where actual genocide and/or ethnic cleansing is shown (fact wise) to be happening (myanmar for example)…Germany/Europe cannot seem to be bothered, much, to life a finger. Unfortunate.
Germany also recognizes other 200 countries around the world. Will Germany require individuals to recognize those other countries as well to get citizenship? Why should Germany care?
People are misunderstanding the purpose of questions like this in immigration and citizenship forms. It’s not because the government expects you to admit that you are a terrorist or felon (frequent questions on forms like this) or that, in this case, you reject Israeli statehood. Of course you will lie.
The point is that, when you are later found out to have lied, your citizenship can be nullified, or you can be prosecuted for fraudulently filling out the immigration or citizenship application.
To be fair. If they do that, then they should also add condition to recognize Palestinians right to a state of their own based on two state solution and recognizing settlements in west bank to be illegal.
And recognition of Palestine?
And recognition of Palestine?
And recognition of Palestine?
Seems the bot is rejecting answers it considers to be too short.
I think a two state solution is best, add recognition of Palestine in and this would hopefully make a clear positive statement on that issue. This would of course require Germany to recognise the state of Palestine. [As is Palestine recognises Israel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legitimacy_of_the_State_of_Israel), but [Israel does not recognise Palestine.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_the_State_of_Palestine)