So separation of church and state is a misnomer but right to bear arms rings. These little Weasley pricks just pick and choose.
Please, for the love of your chosen god, defend your church (as it seems currently indefensible). Christianity is a fantasy, gods do not exist. There’s no way to parse it honestly without admitting that our founders even recognized the weakness of theocratic power. They formed this country on the heels of a bloody conflict in Britain which saw political lines drawn upon religion. May we not repeat that bullshit.
Apparently he’s completely unfamiliar with the actual Establishment Clause of the First Amendment and what it means.
I’d petition that Mike Johnson ‘misunderstands’ the relationship between Oil and Water. Mutual exclusivity.
There is no room for nuance, these should be inflexible diametrically alienated systems.
Anyone who ever suggest the Bible should inform even the most innocuous piece of legislation is an enemy of the constitution in principle.
This fool being thrust forward as a lamb to slaughter says a lot about the GOP. They’re testing how far their base will support the party’s unconstitutional meanderings in the name of The White Jesus.
Spoiler alert: if their pastor tells them the constitution is lighter than the Bible, you don’t even need to show them the scales. Fictitious conviction is way more fun than informed compromise.
Translation: I’ve perverted separation of Church and State to suit my most sordid Christo-Fascist proclivities.
No, this nat-c is just fucking 100% wrong
Americans say Mike Johnson misunderstands every word in the Constitution.
This might have flown 100 years ago. Not today partner.
Nope i understand clearly that the founding fathers were Christians of different denominations and deist and they believed that you can not have a government that represents everyone if you did not have a solid separation of Church and state. There is no freedom of religion if you do not have freedom from religion.
He’s right, Christian nationalist do not understand the no established religion part.
No, no, I understand the phrase correctly. Johnson seems to be confused.
Someone needs to tell him that just because he’s Speaker, doesn’t mean he speaks to the understanding of people who don’t want him there.
Conservatives claim to want a “smaller government” while also believing the state should organize religious practice.
They never think anything through. Which version of christianity gets to be the one the state organizes? why christianity and not something else? etc.
All they actually want what conservatives always want, another way to control people and their lives.
Oh Mike, don’t pretend you don’t understand you are full of shit.
“.. not that they didn’t want principles of faith to have influence on our public life.”
And is his mind this justifies using government to enforce faith policies on people.
Of course he’s only talking about Evangelical beliefs, in particular the beliefs of the particular church he attends. All those other Christian denominations well, not them. And of course, Catholics, Mormons, JW’s, Jews, Muslims — well they are of course excluded from having any influence.
“ we need a vibrant expression of faith”
Which faith are you okay with expression of?
So it’s there to keep the gov out of the church, rather than keeping the church out of the gov, right? Got it, Mike. Well what happens when the church/gov starts making all the other churches follow Christian laws? Isn’t that the gov controlling the other churches? Mike?
Mike Johnson’s stated duty to his “beliefs” outweigh his responsibilities as a Congressman – so why isn’t he a preacher instead of a politician? He isn’t being true to himself – therefore, how can he be true to us???
Man who doesn’t understand separation of church and state claims Americans don’t understand separation of church and state.
“Almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so.”
― Robert A. Heinlein
No, Mikey, we don’t. You do.
“How dismal it is to see present day Americans yearning for the very orthodoxy that their country was founded to escape.”
― Christopher Hitchens
Why is it that Republicans seem to want the dumbest, craziest people they can find to represent them and run things?
Well, when you can interpret the Bible any way you want. Things like truth and facts can also be interpreted however you want. That’s why the founding fathers wanted to make sure there’s a separation between them and these wackos
That’s not true Mike. YOU don’t understand.
This man is a nutter and needs to be removed.
Do we now? Well I do seem to recall this little ditty…
The First Amendment provides that Congress make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting its free exercise. It protects freedom of speech, the press, assembly, and the right to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
So as much as we might misunderstand it, it’s fairly clear that the first amendment clearly establishes that no church will be established. It doesn’t say anything about
‘Congress make no law respecting an establishment of religion except for the already established Christian religion that this country was founded on.’
Nope. I don’t see that anywhere. Seems very secular So do tell…
Someone confront him with the Washington Quote.
A few pieces from the man who actually wrote the First Amendment, James Madison:
– It was the Universal opinion of the Century preceding the last, that Civil Government could not stand without the prop of a religious establishment; and that the Christian religion itself, would perish if not supported by the legal provision for its clergy. The experience of Virginia conspicuously corroborates the disproof of both opinions. The Civil Government, tho’ bereft of everything like an associated hierarchy, possesses the requisite stability and performs its functions with complete success; whilst the number, the industry, and the morality of the priesthood, and the devotion of the people have been manifestly increased by the total separation of the church from the state.
– We hold it for a fundamental and undeniable truth that religion, or the duty which we owe our Creator, and the manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence. The religion, then, of every man must be left to the conviction and conscience of every man: and that it is the right of every man to exercise it as these may dictate.
– Whilst we assert for ourselves a freedom to embrace, to profess and observe the Religion which we believe to be of divine origin, we cannot deny equal freedom to those whose minds have not yet yielded to the evidence which has convinced us. If this freedom be abused, it is an offense against God, not against man.
– Such indeed is the tendency to such a coalition, and such its corrupting influence on both the parties, that the danger cannot be too carefully guarded agst.. And in a Gov’ of opinion, like ours, the only effectual guard must be found in the soundness and stability of the general opinion on the subject. Every new & successful example therefore of a perfect separation between ecclesiastical and civil matters, is of importance. And I have no doubt that every new example, will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Gov will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.
I hate these kind of headlines because it inserts false ideas into the media sphere that are easily disproven. Further, Mike Johnson doesn’t understand the separation of church and state. The rest of us are 100%.
Typical religious mentality – “everyone else has been wrong for hundreds of years, and only I know the truth!”
The actual intentions of the founding fathers are memorialized by quotes and actions.
This guy is a quack.
> USA: We think this
> Mike: No you don’t
I know it appears I’m being facetious with this statement but I assure you this is how Johnson really thinks. He literally called us all stupid to our faces, every single one of us; with this statement.
Our framers were deists, not Christians. He doesn’t know what he is talking about. We became a nation because if religious freedom, not to follow the pope or the archbishop of Canterbury.
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So separation of church and state is a misnomer but right to bear arms rings. These little Weasley pricks just pick and choose.
Please, for the love of your chosen god, defend your church (as it seems currently indefensible). Christianity is a fantasy, gods do not exist. There’s no way to parse it honestly without admitting that our founders even recognized the weakness of theocratic power. They formed this country on the heels of a bloody conflict in Britain which saw political lines drawn upon religion. May we not repeat that bullshit.
Apparently he’s completely unfamiliar with the actual Establishment Clause of the First Amendment and what it means.
I’d petition that Mike Johnson ‘misunderstands’ the relationship between Oil and Water. Mutual exclusivity.
There is no room for nuance, these should be inflexible diametrically alienated systems.
Anyone who ever suggest the Bible should inform even the most innocuous piece of legislation is an enemy of the constitution in principle.
This fool being thrust forward as a lamb to slaughter says a lot about the GOP. They’re testing how far their base will support the party’s unconstitutional meanderings in the name of The White Jesus.
Spoiler alert: if their pastor tells them the constitution is lighter than the Bible, you don’t even need to show them the scales. Fictitious conviction is way more fun than informed compromise.
Translation: I’ve perverted separation of Church and State to suit my most sordid Christo-Fascist proclivities.
No, this nat-c is just fucking 100% wrong
Americans say Mike Johnson misunderstands every word in the Constitution.
This might have flown 100 years ago. Not today partner.
Nope i understand clearly that the founding fathers were Christians of different denominations and deist and they believed that you can not have a government that represents everyone if you did not have a solid separation of Church and state. There is no freedom of religion if you do not have freedom from religion.
He’s right, Christian nationalist do not understand the no established religion part.
No, no, I understand the phrase correctly. Johnson seems to be confused.
Someone needs to tell him that just because he’s Speaker, doesn’t mean he speaks to the understanding of people who don’t want him there.
Conservatives claim to want a “smaller government” while also believing the state should organize religious practice.
They never think anything through. Which version of christianity gets to be the one the state organizes? why christianity and not something else? etc.
All they actually want what conservatives always want, another way to control people and their lives.
Oh Mike, don’t pretend you don’t understand you are full of shit.
“.. not that they didn’t want principles of faith to have influence on our public life.”
And is his mind this justifies using government to enforce faith policies on people.
Of course he’s only talking about Evangelical beliefs, in particular the beliefs of the particular church he attends. All those other Christian denominations well, not them. And of course, Catholics, Mormons, JW’s, Jews, Muslims — well they are of course excluded from having any influence.
“ we need a vibrant expression of faith”
Which faith are you okay with expression of?
So it’s there to keep the gov out of the church, rather than keeping the church out of the gov, right? Got it, Mike. Well what happens when the church/gov starts making all the other churches follow Christian laws? Isn’t that the gov controlling the other churches? Mike?
Mike Johnson’s stated duty to his “beliefs” outweigh his responsibilities as a Congressman – so why isn’t he a preacher instead of a politician? He isn’t being true to himself – therefore, how can he be true to us???
Man who doesn’t understand separation of church and state claims Americans don’t understand separation of church and state.
“Almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so.”
― Robert A. Heinlein
No, Mikey, we don’t. You do.
“How dismal it is to see present day Americans yearning for the very orthodoxy that their country was founded to escape.”
― Christopher Hitchens
Why is it that Republicans seem to want the dumbest, craziest people they can find to represent them and run things?
Well, when you can interpret the Bible any way you want. Things like truth and facts can also be interpreted however you want. That’s why the founding fathers wanted to make sure there’s a separation between them and these wackos
That’s not true Mike. YOU don’t understand.
This man is a nutter and needs to be removed.
Do we now? Well I do seem to recall this little ditty…
The First Amendment provides that Congress make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting its free exercise. It protects freedom of speech, the press, assembly, and the right to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
So as much as we might misunderstand it, it’s fairly clear that the first amendment clearly establishes that no church will be established. It doesn’t say anything about
‘Congress make no law respecting an establishment of religion except for the already established Christian religion that this country was founded on.’
Nope. I don’t see that anywhere. Seems very secular So do tell…
Someone confront him with the Washington Quote.
A few pieces from the man who actually wrote the First Amendment, James Madison:
– It was the Universal opinion of the Century preceding the last, that Civil Government could not stand without the prop of a religious establishment; and that the Christian religion itself, would perish if not supported by the legal provision for its clergy. The experience of Virginia conspicuously corroborates the disproof of both opinions. The Civil Government, tho’ bereft of everything like an associated hierarchy, possesses the requisite stability and performs its functions with complete success; whilst the number, the industry, and the morality of the priesthood, and the devotion of the people have been manifestly increased by the total separation of the church from the state.
– We hold it for a fundamental and undeniable truth that religion, or the duty which we owe our Creator, and the manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence. The religion, then, of every man must be left to the conviction and conscience of every man: and that it is the right of every man to exercise it as these may dictate.
– Whilst we assert for ourselves a freedom to embrace, to profess and observe the Religion which we believe to be of divine origin, we cannot deny equal freedom to those whose minds have not yet yielded to the evidence which has convinced us. If this freedom be abused, it is an offense against God, not against man.
– Such indeed is the tendency to such a coalition, and such its corrupting influence on both the parties, that the danger cannot be too carefully guarded agst.. And in a Gov’ of opinion, like ours, the only effectual guard must be found in the soundness and stability of the general opinion on the subject. Every new & successful example therefore of a perfect separation between ecclesiastical and civil matters, is of importance. And I have no doubt that every new example, will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Gov will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.
I hate these kind of headlines because it inserts false ideas into the media sphere that are easily disproven. Further, Mike Johnson doesn’t understand the separation of church and state. The rest of us are 100%.
Typical religious mentality – “everyone else has been wrong for hundreds of years, and only I know the truth!”
The actual intentions of the founding fathers are memorialized by quotes and actions.
This guy is a quack.
> USA: We think this
> Mike: No you don’t
I know it appears I’m being facetious with this statement but I assure you this is how Johnson really thinks. He literally called us all stupid to our faces, every single one of us; with this statement.
Our framers were deists, not Christians. He doesn’t know what he is talking about. We became a nation because if religious freedom, not to follow the pope or the archbishop of Canterbury.