I keep repeating this like a broken record. He needs to be made example of, and put in jail. If not, what message does it give the public, and others like him?
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*Edit: Grammar.*
We keep having actual legal experts explain how and why Trump is genuinely fucked, and yet we keep having r/politics users refuse to read past headlines in favor of endlessly parroting the same nonsense about how “rule of law doesn’t exist”.
At what point do we stop the circlejerk and actually learn something about how the justice system works?
America continues to try to negotiate with the cancer spreading in its guts.
The Atlantic analyst:
If he’s not on the ballot, it gives reason to say the election was rigged .
Even if he is not listed on the ballot, his supporters can still write is name in, right? Would write in votes still count for him?
It’s fun to play make-believe. These articles will help make us feel better as we slide into the inevitable Trump 2024 presidency.
The worst decision would be that he participated in an insurrection and is banned from the ballot.
Considering the same judge ruled that the 14th doesn’t apply to him, it sounds like this was the “worst decision” that CREW (and every other group trying similar challenges across the US) could get.
I get the sense no one wants to be the one to kick him off the ballot. The judge basically said he’s an insurrectionist but maybe it’s unclear whether the 14th amendment applies to the office of the presidency??? If potus was exempt it would have been clearly written somewhere and it’s not.
Wouldn’t the worst ruling be he’s an insurrectionist AND can’t run for office?
I laughed in confusion when I saw in a video explaining what happened and when the person said “isn’t it absurd when they read it like ‘any office of the government ***except*** the presidency’???” There’s no way 14A specifically says that. It’s disturbing that people are walking on eggshells involving Trump.
How is it the “worst” decision? That’s a bit hyperbolic. Obviously he could’ve been disqualified too and that would’ve been worse.
stopping a wannabe dictator by wishing for dictatorship-
an American President has never seen the judiciary consider guilt or innocence. every action will be debated for generations. if Trump were to be set free over a technicality, the emotional impact on America would be devastating. if Trump were to be convicted without the upmost due diligence, the rule of law would be devastated.
Trump is innocent until proven guilty. anything less is advocating the world view we condemn from Trump
Hilarious article that proposes Trump facing the Supreme Court would be “facing major headwinds”. Some people just don’t get it still.
>”There’s a factual finding that the judge said, which is that Trump committed insurrection,” Katyal said of District Judge Sarah B. Wallace’s ruling. “On appeals, the factual findings get massive deference by the appeals court. It’s almost impossible to overturn a trial judge’s factual finding.”
I have tried saying this. Worst outcome is Trump getting elected, but the other bad outcome is he can’t get elected and Haley gets the Nom. With Biden’s unfortunate unpopularity, many may stay home because she’s not “as bad”.
I think a fair point has been made that no one can really dictate who the GOP puts on its ticket. They can put Adolf Hitler and Rudolph the red nosed reindeer if they want. Don’t even need to hold primaries in fact. Can have bozo the clown choose their candidate by throwing a rubber ducky at a crowd of people.
The real question is, can he be on the general election ballot.
A bit about the guy defending the ruling (from Wikipedia):
*In 2020, Katyal represented Nestlé and Cargill at the Supreme Court in Nestlé USA, Inc. v. Doe, in a class-action suit brought by former enslaved children who were kidnapped and forced to work on cocoa farms in the Ivory Coast. Katyal’s argument that Nestlé and Cargill should not be held liable for their use of child slave labor because the corporation that supplied Zyklon B to the Nazis to kill Jews and other minorities in extermination camps was not indicted at the Nuremberg trials received considerable criticism from liberal publications like The New Republic.*
We didn’t need a judge to “find” that he was an insurrectionist. The entire world watched it happen in real time on J6.
What gift should we get for Newsweek/BusinessInsider when they write their thousandth “trumps WORST day ever!!!” story?
We already have a legislative process in place for presidents called impeachment. Unfortunately that didn’t work because of politics. But now we are using the judicial process. Unfortunately that isn’t working because of politics. If he gets elected again, maybe impeachment will work the third time. And if not, we can try the judicial process again after he completes four more terms, gets rid of all the judges, and dies in office.
Author may claim this to have been the ‘worst decision’ for Trump.
But to me it sounds like the ‘worst decision’ for democracy and basic human decency.
I like this. Nice turn from yesterday
So I guess Biden can do what ever he likes and never leave, Cool, cool cool cool
Nixon got away with it
Reagan got away with it
Bush got away with it
I’m not sure Dorito Benito won’t as well.
I never expected him to actually get removed from the ballot and if he only lost this election on a technicality, we’re just delaying the fascist takeover of America rather than repelling it.
HOWEVER what annoys me most is that headlines are all “Trump stays on Colorado
Ballet” and not **“Colorado judge finds Trump committed insurrection on Jan 6th.”**
Like, that’s kind of a big deal right?
It would have been better (for us, which, y’know, is spelled U.S., which I just noticed) for the judge to remove Trump from the ballot. So this is not the worst decision. However, the ruling does set precedent that **every** January 6 participant, short of Trump and Pence, is precluded from holding office. So that is good.
The 14th amendment, in **two ways**, excludes the President from the enforcement of the law.
First, it explicitly lists all the offices it does cover. “*Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State*”. That’s every federal and state office except POTUS and VPOTUS.
Second is this clause: “*having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to **support the Constitution** of the United States*”. The presidential oath appears to be the only one that exclude ls the word support.
The “home of the brave” seems to have a huge deficit in courage. Nobody will stand up to this fucknut.
Take no chances and vote out Republicans at every chance you get. From the school board to the White House every election matters. Pay attention and vote.
No… the worst ruling would be labeled as an insurrectionist AND being removed from the ballot.
Trump can’t lose in a courtroom and have this go away. He needs to lose in the elections again, badly. The problem is not really Trump, it is the people voting for him. We don’t really want to say that because some of these people are family and friends. But even if Trump is put in jail, they will build another just like him and he will probably be worse. he may actually be good at his job and intelligent, that is my biggest fear.
I know he’s a traitor, but I’d rather see him straight up lose the election than be kicked off a few ballots and let that be an excuse for losing.
So let’s see…he’s been found guilty of a sexual assault and insurrection. Yeah…I want him as the leader of a country I love. Wake up!!! anyone but tRump and his MAGA stooges!!!
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I keep repeating this like a broken record. He needs to be made example of, and put in jail. If not, what message does it give the public, and others like him?
___
*Edit: Grammar.*
We keep having actual legal experts explain how and why Trump is genuinely fucked, and yet we keep having r/politics users refuse to read past headlines in favor of endlessly parroting the same nonsense about how “rule of law doesn’t exist”.
At what point do we stop the circlejerk and actually learn something about how the justice system works?
America continues to try to negotiate with the cancer spreading in its guts.
The Atlantic analyst:
If he’s not on the ballot, it gives reason to say the election was rigged .
Even if he is not listed on the ballot, his supporters can still write is name in, right? Would write in votes still count for him?
It’s fun to play make-believe. These articles will help make us feel better as we slide into the inevitable Trump 2024 presidency.
The worst decision would be that he participated in an insurrection and is banned from the ballot.
Considering the same judge ruled that the 14th doesn’t apply to him, it sounds like this was the “worst decision” that CREW (and every other group trying similar challenges across the US) could get.
I get the sense no one wants to be the one to kick him off the ballot. The judge basically said he’s an insurrectionist but maybe it’s unclear whether the 14th amendment applies to the office of the presidency??? If potus was exempt it would have been clearly written somewhere and it’s not.
Wouldn’t the worst ruling be he’s an insurrectionist AND can’t run for office?
I laughed in confusion when I saw in a video explaining what happened and when the person said “isn’t it absurd when they read it like ‘any office of the government ***except*** the presidency’???” There’s no way 14A specifically says that. It’s disturbing that people are walking on eggshells involving Trump.
How is it the “worst” decision? That’s a bit hyperbolic. Obviously he could’ve been disqualified too and that would’ve been worse.
stopping a wannabe dictator by wishing for dictatorship-
an American President has never seen the judiciary consider guilt or innocence. every action will be debated for generations. if Trump were to be set free over a technicality, the emotional impact on America would be devastating. if Trump were to be convicted without the upmost due diligence, the rule of law would be devastated.
Trump is innocent until proven guilty. anything less is advocating the world view we condemn from Trump
Hilarious article that proposes Trump facing the Supreme Court would be “facing major headwinds”. Some people just don’t get it still.
>”There’s a factual finding that the judge said, which is that Trump committed insurrection,” Katyal said of District Judge Sarah B. Wallace’s ruling. “On appeals, the factual findings get massive deference by the appeals court. It’s almost impossible to overturn a trial judge’s factual finding.”
I have tried saying this. Worst outcome is Trump getting elected, but the other bad outcome is he can’t get elected and Haley gets the Nom. With Biden’s unfortunate unpopularity, many may stay home because she’s not “as bad”.
I think a fair point has been made that no one can really dictate who the GOP puts on its ticket. They can put Adolf Hitler and Rudolph the red nosed reindeer if they want. Don’t even need to hold primaries in fact. Can have bozo the clown choose their candidate by throwing a rubber ducky at a crowd of people.
The real question is, can he be on the general election ballot.
A bit about the guy defending the ruling (from Wikipedia):
*In 2020, Katyal represented Nestlé and Cargill at the Supreme Court in Nestlé USA, Inc. v. Doe, in a class-action suit brought by former enslaved children who were kidnapped and forced to work on cocoa farms in the Ivory Coast. Katyal’s argument that Nestlé and Cargill should not be held liable for their use of child slave labor because the corporation that supplied Zyklon B to the Nazis to kill Jews and other minorities in extermination camps was not indicted at the Nuremberg trials received considerable criticism from liberal publications like The New Republic.*
We didn’t need a judge to “find” that he was an insurrectionist. The entire world watched it happen in real time on J6.
What gift should we get for Newsweek/BusinessInsider when they write their thousandth “trumps WORST day ever!!!” story?
We already have a legislative process in place for presidents called impeachment. Unfortunately that didn’t work because of politics. But now we are using the judicial process. Unfortunately that isn’t working because of politics. If he gets elected again, maybe impeachment will work the third time. And if not, we can try the judicial process again after he completes four more terms, gets rid of all the judges, and dies in office.
Author may claim this to have been the ‘worst decision’ for Trump.
But to me it sounds like the ‘worst decision’ for democracy and basic human decency.
I like this. Nice turn from yesterday
So I guess Biden can do what ever he likes and never leave, Cool, cool cool cool
Nixon got away with it
Reagan got away with it
Bush got away with it
I’m not sure Dorito Benito won’t as well.
I never expected him to actually get removed from the ballot and if he only lost this election on a technicality, we’re just delaying the fascist takeover of America rather than repelling it.
HOWEVER what annoys me most is that headlines are all “Trump stays on Colorado
Ballet” and not **“Colorado judge finds Trump committed insurrection on Jan 6th.”**
Like, that’s kind of a big deal right?
It would have been better (for us, which, y’know, is spelled U.S., which I just noticed) for the judge to remove Trump from the ballot. So this is not the worst decision. However, the ruling does set precedent that **every** January 6 participant, short of Trump and Pence, is precluded from holding office. So that is good.
The 14th amendment, in **two ways**, excludes the President from the enforcement of the law.
First, it explicitly lists all the offices it does cover. “*Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State*”. That’s every federal and state office except POTUS and VPOTUS.
Second is this clause: “*having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to **support the Constitution** of the United States*”. The presidential oath appears to be the only one that exclude ls the word support.
The “home of the brave” seems to have a huge deficit in courage. Nobody will stand up to this fucknut.
Take no chances and vote out Republicans at every chance you get. From the school board to the White House every election matters. Pay attention and vote.
No… the worst ruling would be labeled as an insurrectionist AND being removed from the ballot.
Trump can’t lose in a courtroom and have this go away. He needs to lose in the elections again, badly. The problem is not really Trump, it is the people voting for him. We don’t really want to say that because some of these people are family and friends. But even if Trump is put in jail, they will build another just like him and he will probably be worse. he may actually be good at his job and intelligent, that is my biggest fear.
I know he’s a traitor, but I’d rather see him straight up lose the election than be kicked off a few ballots and let that be an excuse for losing.
So let’s see…he’s been found guilty of a sexual assault and insurrection. Yeah…I want him as the leader of a country I love. Wake up!!! anyone but tRump and his MAGA stooges!!!