Nur eine Zwei-Staaten-Lösung kann echten Frieden bringen, sagte der chinesische Präsident in seiner ersten öffentlichen Rede zum Konflikt

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  2. “Two state solution” is a solution to the **Palestinian statehood problem**.

    That’s **not the immediate problem**.

    The Russo-Iranian sponsored Hamas **slaver gang**, who enslave Palestinians and turn them into meat shields at gunpoint, spread misinformation, and oppose **all** forms of Palestinian statehood solutions, be they 1, 2 or 7 state, because that’s what they’re under orders from Tehran and Moscow (who need a frozen conflict forever) say they need to do, and they are 100% dependent on Moscow and Tehran for money, guns, safe harbor for leadership and propagandists.

    What are we going to do about the immediate problem, Xi? Keep ignoring it exists hoping it goes away if we do?

  3. That would be funny if somebody said “wait, you mean Taiwan?”

  4. So, will Xi provide peacekeepers to keep things calm while he leads negotiations to hash out the details?

  5. Yeah, and the solution to hunger in the world is for everyone to eat regular meals.

    It’s not complicated to come up with a utopian end goal. What’s complicated is to figure out how to get there.

  7. Look guys, this is actually a good thing. Most Palestinians want a one state solution, and that’s the problem.

    The fact china says a two state solution is best, means they are supporting the west in their wishes for Israel/Palestine.

    I know he’s not helping us get one, and it’s a bit of a reductive statement at the moment, but it means China does support Israel’s right to exist.

  9. And China punts.

    They know full well that a Palestinian state can no longer be achieved. It’s too far gone. Israeli settlements are so extensive throughout the West Bank that they could never govern a Palestinian state without uprooting the bulk of them. But no UN mission or Israeli administration is ever going to have a mandate to relocate as many as 700,000 people. Not even 100,000.

    Those settlers will never agree to be governed by a Palestinian state. They’re well armed, and they control all of the vital transit points, water resources, and farmland of the West Bank. Beyond that, a Palestinian government would be expected to honor Palestinian land ownership deeds, and would not be able to retain democratic legitimacy if it had to try to legitimize land thefts from less than 5-10 years ago. If abandoned, those 700,000 Settlers would find themselves in a conflict with a Palestinian state that would have to uproot quite a lot of them. That kind of ethnic clash would inevitably draw Israel back in.

    China isn’t pledging to preside over that, here. This statement is just a pass on proposing some other plan – asking Israel and Palestine to go on with the blame game, pretending that Palestinians can live in their current archipelago of tiny scattered enclaves forever, or that Israel is going to uproot or abandon even one West Bank town someday, let alone anywhere near enough to build a state on.

    It’s unsurprising that no third party wants to take the lead on the painful and messy compromises that are going to have to happen to guarantee everyone’s safety and to present at least basic human rights to the stateless Palestinians from here. But don’t be fooled: this isn’t a real plan from China, it’s just an announcement that they’re washing their hands of the whole thing while they plan to self righteously gloat from the sidelines about how much better a fantasy solution would be, and how much all of this is America’s fault.

  10. I’m not young anymore, but the two state solution has been the supposed solution my entire life and yet there’s more violence than ever.

    Fundamentally, there are two ways the conflict can end: either the israelis and palestinians stop hating each other, or they stop living together. I don’t see how the two state solution gets us any closer to either of those, even if there was any movement on it, which there’s not, because Israel has all the power, as well as the support of the US. If a palestinian state was declared tomorrow all that would happen is Israel would be at war with a state instead. Israel won’t recognise a palestinian state until the violence ends, and the violence won’t end until there is a state and so it goes on all these years.

    If the US can’t actually stand up for palestine (which politically it can’t) then we will only end the violence by looking at how to achieve one or both of those solutions: either the israelis and palestinians stop hating each other, or they stop living together. The most violent stage of any conflict is the one where one side has clearly lost but can’t yet surrender. That’s where Palestine has been for half a century: locked in a never ending war because we won’t let the Israelis finish the war by consquering palestine and imposing a unilateral surrender. Why is the outside world trapping both sides in a state of perpetual war with the failed pursuit of the two state solution?

    Either the israelis and palestinians stop hating each other, or they stop living together. That means Israel annexing the territory, with the Palestinians all offered the choice of either citizenship in Israel, citizenship in a neighbouring arab country, or citizenship in the west. A deadline of 5 years would be set for them to choose before the annexation happens, enough time to vet and detain dangerous palestinians and reform the Israeli government to be more inclusive.

    A heavy cost yes, but we can’t keep going on as we are, and if we really wanted peace we’d be prepared to pay the price.

  11. “How about with Taiwan Xi??? “

    “Someone arrest that man”

  12. A two state solution can’t exist as long as one state is hell bent on destroying it’s neighbor, the only solution to that is eradicating the governing body that wants to eliminate isreal.

    In this case that governing body isn’t just a dictator or cabinet, it is a religion, a culture. It is extremist islam in the middle east, not to be confused with western islam. Altho in recent weeks those lines are disturbingly being blurred.

    People are equal or should be treated as such, culture is NOT. Culture is a product of flawed humans, flawed ideas and is something to always be improved upon or discarded.

  14. Three state solution is the way to go. Treat Gaza differently than West Bank. They are not the same and if statehood were today, it would be civil war for control.

    I feel like the tide is turning a bit, but no…. I’m not going to forget what the DSA did. Man, their opposition is going to be well for funded.

  15. It already is basically a two state solution. This won’t solve anything

  17. Palestinians don’t want a two state solution as that would mean to much work and sweat to to raise it from nothing as it is now to a fully functioning state. This alone I suspect would be to risky let alone try to establish an economy to run it and be fully independent.

    I suspect the one State solution is what they are after as it already exist in the form of Israel and is a fully functioning state with all the hard work and sweat already been done.

    They also know their populations are larger than Israel an once they become citizens they vote their own in and essentially take over Israel and do what they like.

    It’s no wonder they want a 1 state solution. But Israel will never let that happen.

  19. HA HA HA! Says a guy who is part of a country that is liquidating minorities and running concentration camps….. yeah real expert.

    Hows the two state solution working with Taiwan there Mr. Clown.

  21. More consensus that a two-state solution is the way to go can only help it along.

  22. Well sure. You have your PARTY and the ENEMY. Reminds me of something I might have read…

  23. I understand, and it could end this conflict, but this guarantees a war in the near to medium future. Next time would be the Nation of Palestine at war with Israel.

    If there is a two state solution there needs to be a huge DMZ between the two with armed foreign peacekeepers

  25. For half a second, I thought he was speaking about taiwan and told myself “damn, hell must have frozen over night”

  27. Hey China… just maybe… just maybe you should consider a multi state solution… lmao

  29. But Palestinian rejected everytime. They want one state solution where there’s no Jews.

  30. Is China willing to send troops to the mid-east to stand as a buffer between the two sides until they learn some sense? Is anyone?

  31. The two state solution is the best solution. Doesn’t seem either of the sides wants it.

  32. Lets ask Tibet if they have ideas about two state solutions.

  33. I thought most Palestinians want the destruction of Israel? So how is this going to work?

  36. First, considering his stance on Taiwan, that’s rich. Second, Hamas has been the one breaking the ceasefires and screwing up the two state solution, so there’s no two state solution as long as Hamas is a factor.

    Of course, Xinnie the Pooh knows that. He wants the two state solution with Hamas in play because as long as the shitshow continues it weakens a U.S. ally and drives Palestine and Hamas into China’s waiting arms.

  37. 🙄

    Come back when you have an actual plan on how to get there, Xi. Put up, or shut up.

    Also the irony of this coming from China, given their antagonism towards Taiwan, is comical.

  38. Yes, this idiot’s two state solution worked so well in Hong Kong it became a one state.

  39. There is only one solution that involves both parties living in peace and that is a two state solution. The far left rigidly calling for one state are actually braindead and are doing harm to Palestinians because the only one state solution that has any basis in reality is one where Israel ethnically cleanses Gaza and the West Bank. No sane person wants that to happen so all efforts should be put into a two state solution. Who knows, after decades of peaceful coexistence, then a conversation about a united state or maybe free travel between the states can be discussed but that is so far in the future that it isn’t even worth discussing.

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