I guess because they exposed how short-staffed police is…
Weird source lol.
Oh the consequences of this will be very heavy indeed. For a start I have no doubt most of the looters and rioters weren’t some fascist brigade conducting a type of putsch, from the videos I’ve seen it was the usual suspects on e-scooters, dressed head to toe in northface and tracksuits. Robbing bike shops, shoeshops and whatnot is just complete opportunitism and I doubt the actual extremist elements involved are of any great number, just look at the popularity of the actual far-right parties in Ireland (a large amount probably vote Sinn Fein though, they’re the protest vote in Ireland but people REALLY don’t want to hear that, especially on the internet.)
With this little spree of barbarism any reasonable discussion on immigration is now dead in the water for who knows how long. Every time a concern will be raised people will point to these window lickers as some sort of retort. Whatever idiots were there out of any political motive have effectively killed their own cause for a long time. With that, the attack yesterday will now fade into the background, three children were stabbed along with a teacher by what is, from my own estimate, some mentally sick weirdo who needs sectioning (haven’t seen any motive or any information about him at all really). That’s now in the background and what will be brought forward will be more articles about how the far-right is storming through Ireland as the polls stay the exact same as ever. 34 arrests from what I’ve heard so far and no clue of the actual amount of people involved, whether or not they were all part of one group etc. and that information will probably never be brought up. This was the Munich Putsch according to the internet, media etc. and will be used as a political tool for years to come.
The irish prime minister who had been sleeping on the job following a terrorist attack is upset about the riot he caused.
I would be upset too, but maybe about different things.
His open border policies brought shame to the country.
Saw this on front page of BBC, can anyone Irish explain what they’re rioting about?
I think I don’t just speak for myself when I say this is the general sentiment of the whole country. The types of people who were involved in this riot, an the attitudes displayed have been a long standing feature of Irish society and everyone living in Dublin knew something like this was an inevitability.
While there is a connection between the stabbing attack yesterday and the riot the reality is these people were looking for an excuse. Ireland, especially Dublin, has become increasingly xenophobic over the last 10+ years. Covid lockdowns accelerated this to the speed of light. Between 2021-2023 the atmosphere in Dublin changed in a very tangible way. The city seemed to decay almost overnight – streets are messy and violence started to spread. Crime in Dublin is pretty bad and there is a sense of unease and vulnerability. Having a generation of kids from disadvantaged areas suddenly disappearing from school and left to float around the city for years has been devastating. I lived in Ballymun, a very notorious part of North Dublin, and it really got worse over the last 2 years. It really is pure violence with no aims or ambitions but to hurt and destroy. It also isn’t as small of a part of society as some think. I really do think it is only people outside of Dublin who think this. Sadly, Dublin has really declined.
Layered on top of this are the very obvious issues which I don’t see any Irish politician commenting on, and I don’t see any paper noting. Ireland has failed a massive part of its working population – housing is chronic (beyond Amsterdam and Lisbon), public services are non existent, community center’s have been defunded into oblivion, and there are no activities or social spaces for youths. Dublin doesn’t even have a public library open 7 days a week. There are two – one north and one south in Rathmines and they both close on the weekends and evenings. They’re also not equipped for anything. You can do to a library anywhere in regional England and you will find a library with a coffee shop, seating area, IT spaces and so on. Ireland doesn’t have this. The social support is also largely privately organized – food banks, children’s dinner programs, breakfast programs etc, they are all run either by churches or local charities. There are kids in some areas of Dublin who don’t even get a meal at home and they rely 100% on the kindness of private individuals to meet their most basic needs like food, clothes and hygiene.
The cherry on top of all of this is immigration. Ireland has a lot of immigration and most people are positive towards immigrants. In Dublin this isn’t the case. I would not want to be Brazilian, of African or Asian decent in Dublin. Conflated with immigration is Ireland’s current policies regarding refugees which I think does warrant some criticism. Ireland has been using Direct Provision Centre’s for decades and they are inhumane. Refugees are left in limbo with no education, training, or work. Often entire families will be abandoned in a hotel room with no kitchen, adequate storage, etc, for decades. I know this because I grew up next to a DPC in rural Ireland and had many friend’s from school who lived in it. Anyone interested in this topic further can just look it up themselves. It is bleak and I don’t see enough criticism of it. My view, and the view of most Irish people is if you’re going to take someone in you have to look after them, and provide them with a chance to get on their feet. Abandoning them in what is essentially just another refugee camp using public money to fund hotels which don’t make money is wrong.
Over the last couple of years anti-Brazilian attacks and sentiments has become very common with a couple of Brazilian couriers being killed because they were Brazilian. The government doing very little to address the situation. The current prison system is beyond capacity with no plans for expansion. The court system is underfunded with a sever lack of capacity for case processing. The Gardai themselves are also chronically underfunded which has resulted in a number of issues such as gardai not showing up to calls, deliberately not responding to and recording domestic violence calls, and a general lack of presence in Dublin. You can find countless videos of garda being bullied and chased away by gangs of youth. During the riots yesterday there was footage of an armed response unit being stopped by a gang of teenagers and forced to turn around and leave. The main station in my area usual has its phone off during the day, and typically if you go into the station you will wait 1 hour+ before you even see anyone.
The net result of these deficiencies is a general sense of lawlessness – Dublin residents know they’re on their own if something happens and there is nothing to uphold traffic laws, or even general street monitoring. Criminal, and civil cases proceed at a snails pace meaning 2+ year is the normal waiting time between an assault, and it actually going to criminal court. Bail has become a common feature – you can commit a pretty serious crime and be out on bail for years. This is normal and taken together crime is now out of control and the general opinion of the public is the Irish government isn’t doing anything.
As you can see – the Irish government, past and present, have all largely failed to address any of the systemic issues Irish society faces which has led to one of the largest growth in inequality and generational wealth ever recorded since Ireland got independence. The same policies applied to domestic issues has been applied to Ireland’s refugee policies. No plan, no solutions, just ignore the problem. The result? A huge surgency in far-right ideology, straight up xenophobia *and* the emergence of equally as abhorrent and antisocial behavior in certain refugee communities. The issue is Ireland has mismanaged too many problems and they have now converged. Recent waves of refugees have come from predominately East African, and Middle Eastern countries and as much as it pains me to say, it has created chronic issues. Just outside Ballymun there is a hotel that became appropriated as a DPC. 24 hours a day the hotel, and neighboring park, is full of gangs of refugees sitting around doing drugs and harassing people. I’ve had a couple of very uncomfortable experiences going for a walk in the evening and I know a couple of women who have had some very bad experiences. It’s not a good situation.
Yesterday was an expression of all of this thrown together – an awareness that the garda are nonexistent and there will be no repercussions for crimes and a strong xenophobic inner city culture blaming immigrants and refugees alike for societies problems. The Irish government and media didn’t report who the attacker was. Rumors spread that he was North African and this ignited the riots who acted on the pretense that the Irish government broke Irish society through broken immigration. People really do believe that Ireland doesn’t even look after the Irish and to be honest, there is some truth in this. The Irish media and state also withheld descriptions of the attacker, but released the nationality of the person who stopped the attacker. This also rubbed people the wrong way and fueled the belief that the Irish state is manipulating the narrative. A Brazilian saved the day, which isn’t that surprising if you actually know and work with Brazilians on a daily.
Yesterday was the merging of Ireland’s problems and released for the world to see. I am somewhat annoyed at the attempts of people to downplay how bad some of Ireland’s problems are. Dublin is not a good city and it hasn’t been for decades now. I think there are some valid issues to discuss here – Ireland’s housing is beyond bad, and public services including social support is below functional. Ireland’s approach to refugees is also inhuman and impractical. There is also the big bad elephant in the room – who are the rioters? Ireland has a big welfare population and anyone from these areas will know what I am about to say. The rioters were from Dublin – North Dublin and Red Line areas to be exact. These guys don’t work, they don’t go to school and they don’t look after their kids. I can’t even count the number of young single mothers who kept the baby to get access to better welfare. They didn’t stop being teenagers and partying just because there was a kid. They usually dump the kid on the grandparents. There is a fundamental breakdown in families in Ireland and this has nothing to do with the government, or any refugees no matter how hard people try to make the connection. Irish people have a toxic mentality – we can’t accept criticism and we can’t take accountability. The number one reason why yesterday happened wasn’t because of a stabbing attack – it was because we have failed ourselves and now we have a broken generation to resolve.
“Shame” isn’t enough to describe the totality of what has happened to Dublin. I don’t just feel shame towards the yesterday’s riots. I feel shame when I think about Ireland’s policy failures in housing, public services, and asylum claims. I feel shame when I look at the faces of the rioters and I see who they are. I know where they came from because I grew up there also. Yesterday wasn’t a one off event – it has bubbling for years. This isn’t a “refugee” problem despite what these rioters want to believe. This is a systemic problem to which all parties – rioters and politicians are to blame.
It was stupid to loot stores in America and it is stupid to loot stores now in Dublin. It really is just opportunism and theft and doesn’t make your case stronger in the slightest.
“It didn’t happen in a vacuum”
The only shame brought are the failed European policies.
Personally I completely agree that the stabbing of children is unacceptable and barbarians like that aren’t welcome.
The Taoiseach himself is not a man of the people. He’s inflamed a lot of the issue that are raising tensions in Ireland. Not just immigration which many will point to, not to deflate that issue but it’s a knee jerk reaction to populism.
I’m talking about the extreme housing shortage, the inflation, wage stagnation, cost of living & outward migration of native Irish. We’ve had years of this party & this man failing at every turn. He’s widely acknowledged to be a classist to a generation of Irish people who’ve been pushed from housing market is enemy no.1. He should step down because anything he says will make things worse here, I’m talking the potential for more riots. People really do not like him.
I think the kids stabbing shames and terrifies us more and this moral equivalency is a pathetic attempt at distraction. Oh Leo
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How are the people who were stabbed? It seems like every story I’ve read since the initial stabbings is just about the rioters.
Young girl was stabbed and these clowns use it as an excuse to loot new runners from footlocker. Opportunistic is far too light of an word to use for them they are just fucking rats…..and to be a rat in one of the most educated countries in the world is a true feat.
A riot is the language of the unheard- Martin Luther King.
Most of these so-called leftists calling out this riot which happened immediately after children were stabbed by an Algerian would have been BLM supporters in the States. Cause Celebre every.single.time.
When a government gives up its monopoly on violence for the sake of minoritarian supremacism, you will get violence from other actors.
The situation is insane all in europe (Ireland, France, Sweden…)
Everybody know what is happening but nobody dare or can say anything.
They are over represented in jail, for god sake
Netherland last election tells us exactly what is going on
If the state or politic does not want to address the issue, then the people will, how it is hard to understand ?
The biggest shame is when an illegal migrant stabs kids in the street in broad daylight. Go to hell with your forced migration pacts and plans. People will resist it one way or the other – next votings will be interesting I.e. NL. All this nonsense about EU federalisation starts to make sense – especially when they want the EU to make decisions on border controls and security instead of local governments.
The Irish Prime minister should consider the sources of the rioters’ feelings and his own culpability. He must stop using police to respond and have dialogue.
That’s what he wanted in Israel anyway.
If only those ‘protesting’ cared enough to protest about the number of women and children who are injured and killed through domestic violence. I wonder how many of the rioters have restraining orders against them.
This was bound to happen. Hopefully Ireland will wake the fuck up.
All the sudden, no more talk of “fiery but mostly peaceful protest”….
People focus on Russia propaganda, but there is also far-right American GOP propaganda that is targeting European countries. Notice how many far-right Americans quickly encouraged these thugs to go fight invaders
Have they considered doing something about mass immigration then – it’s only going to get worse otherwise
Let’s all forget about the frequent stabbing and only think about this riot… That was caused by the stabbing
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I guess because they exposed how short-staffed police is…
Weird source lol.
Oh the consequences of this will be very heavy indeed. For a start I have no doubt most of the looters and rioters weren’t some fascist brigade conducting a type of putsch, from the videos I’ve seen it was the usual suspects on e-scooters, dressed head to toe in northface and tracksuits. Robbing bike shops, shoeshops and whatnot is just complete opportunitism and I doubt the actual extremist elements involved are of any great number, just look at the popularity of the actual far-right parties in Ireland (a large amount probably vote Sinn Fein though, they’re the protest vote in Ireland but people REALLY don’t want to hear that, especially on the internet.)
With this little spree of barbarism any reasonable discussion on immigration is now dead in the water for who knows how long. Every time a concern will be raised people will point to these window lickers as some sort of retort. Whatever idiots were there out of any political motive have effectively killed their own cause for a long time. With that, the attack yesterday will now fade into the background, three children were stabbed along with a teacher by what is, from my own estimate, some mentally sick weirdo who needs sectioning (haven’t seen any motive or any information about him at all really). That’s now in the background and what will be brought forward will be more articles about how the far-right is storming through Ireland as the polls stay the exact same as ever. 34 arrests from what I’ve heard so far and no clue of the actual amount of people involved, whether or not they were all part of one group etc. and that information will probably never be brought up. This was the Munich Putsch according to the internet, media etc. and will be used as a political tool for years to come.
The irish prime minister who had been sleeping on the job following a terrorist attack is upset about the riot he caused.
I would be upset too, but maybe about different things.
His open border policies brought shame to the country.
Saw this on front page of BBC, can anyone Irish explain what they’re rioting about?
I think I don’t just speak for myself when I say this is the general sentiment of the whole country. The types of people who were involved in this riot, an the attitudes displayed have been a long standing feature of Irish society and everyone living in Dublin knew something like this was an inevitability.
While there is a connection between the stabbing attack yesterday and the riot the reality is these people were looking for an excuse. Ireland, especially Dublin, has become increasingly xenophobic over the last 10+ years. Covid lockdowns accelerated this to the speed of light. Between 2021-2023 the atmosphere in Dublin changed in a very tangible way. The city seemed to decay almost overnight – streets are messy and violence started to spread. Crime in Dublin is pretty bad and there is a sense of unease and vulnerability. Having a generation of kids from disadvantaged areas suddenly disappearing from school and left to float around the city for years has been devastating. I lived in Ballymun, a very notorious part of North Dublin, and it really got worse over the last 2 years. It really is pure violence with no aims or ambitions but to hurt and destroy. It also isn’t as small of a part of society as some think. I really do think it is only people outside of Dublin who think this. Sadly, Dublin has really declined.
Layered on top of this are the very obvious issues which I don’t see any Irish politician commenting on, and I don’t see any paper noting. Ireland has failed a massive part of its working population – housing is chronic (beyond Amsterdam and Lisbon), public services are non existent, community center’s have been defunded into oblivion, and there are no activities or social spaces for youths. Dublin doesn’t even have a public library open 7 days a week. There are two – one north and one south in Rathmines and they both close on the weekends and evenings. They’re also not equipped for anything. You can do to a library anywhere in regional England and you will find a library with a coffee shop, seating area, IT spaces and so on. Ireland doesn’t have this. The social support is also largely privately organized – food banks, children’s dinner programs, breakfast programs etc, they are all run either by churches or local charities. There are kids in some areas of Dublin who don’t even get a meal at home and they rely 100% on the kindness of private individuals to meet their most basic needs like food, clothes and hygiene.
The cherry on top of all of this is immigration. Ireland has a lot of immigration and most people are positive towards immigrants. In Dublin this isn’t the case. I would not want to be Brazilian, of African or Asian decent in Dublin. Conflated with immigration is Ireland’s current policies regarding refugees which I think does warrant some criticism. Ireland has been using Direct Provision Centre’s for decades and they are inhumane. Refugees are left in limbo with no education, training, or work. Often entire families will be abandoned in a hotel room with no kitchen, adequate storage, etc, for decades. I know this because I grew up next to a DPC in rural Ireland and had many friend’s from school who lived in it. Anyone interested in this topic further can just look it up themselves. It is bleak and I don’t see enough criticism of it. My view, and the view of most Irish people is if you’re going to take someone in you have to look after them, and provide them with a chance to get on their feet. Abandoning them in what is essentially just another refugee camp using public money to fund hotels which don’t make money is wrong.
Over the last couple of years anti-Brazilian attacks and sentiments has become very common with a couple of Brazilian couriers being killed because they were Brazilian. The government doing very little to address the situation. The current prison system is beyond capacity with no plans for expansion. The court system is underfunded with a sever lack of capacity for case processing. The Gardai themselves are also chronically underfunded which has resulted in a number of issues such as gardai not showing up to calls, deliberately not responding to and recording domestic violence calls, and a general lack of presence in Dublin. You can find countless videos of garda being bullied and chased away by gangs of youth. During the riots yesterday there was footage of an armed response unit being stopped by a gang of teenagers and forced to turn around and leave. The main station in my area usual has its phone off during the day, and typically if you go into the station you will wait 1 hour+ before you even see anyone.
The net result of these deficiencies is a general sense of lawlessness – Dublin residents know they’re on their own if something happens and there is nothing to uphold traffic laws, or even general street monitoring. Criminal, and civil cases proceed at a snails pace meaning 2+ year is the normal waiting time between an assault, and it actually going to criminal court. Bail has become a common feature – you can commit a pretty serious crime and be out on bail for years. This is normal and taken together crime is now out of control and the general opinion of the public is the Irish government isn’t doing anything.
As you can see – the Irish government, past and present, have all largely failed to address any of the systemic issues Irish society faces which has led to one of the largest growth in inequality and generational wealth ever recorded since Ireland got independence. The same policies applied to domestic issues has been applied to Ireland’s refugee policies. No plan, no solutions, just ignore the problem. The result? A huge surgency in far-right ideology, straight up xenophobia *and* the emergence of equally as abhorrent and antisocial behavior in certain refugee communities. The issue is Ireland has mismanaged too many problems and they have now converged. Recent waves of refugees have come from predominately East African, and Middle Eastern countries and as much as it pains me to say, it has created chronic issues. Just outside Ballymun there is a hotel that became appropriated as a DPC. 24 hours a day the hotel, and neighboring park, is full of gangs of refugees sitting around doing drugs and harassing people. I’ve had a couple of very uncomfortable experiences going for a walk in the evening and I know a couple of women who have had some very bad experiences. It’s not a good situation.
Yesterday was an expression of all of this thrown together – an awareness that the garda are nonexistent and there will be no repercussions for crimes and a strong xenophobic inner city culture blaming immigrants and refugees alike for societies problems. The Irish government and media didn’t report who the attacker was. Rumors spread that he was North African and this ignited the riots who acted on the pretense that the Irish government broke Irish society through broken immigration. People really do believe that Ireland doesn’t even look after the Irish and to be honest, there is some truth in this. The Irish media and state also withheld descriptions of the attacker, but released the nationality of the person who stopped the attacker. This also rubbed people the wrong way and fueled the belief that the Irish state is manipulating the narrative. A Brazilian saved the day, which isn’t that surprising if you actually know and work with Brazilians on a daily.
Yesterday was the merging of Ireland’s problems and released for the world to see. I am somewhat annoyed at the attempts of people to downplay how bad some of Ireland’s problems are. Dublin is not a good city and it hasn’t been for decades now. I think there are some valid issues to discuss here – Ireland’s housing is beyond bad, and public services including social support is below functional. Ireland’s approach to refugees is also inhuman and impractical. There is also the big bad elephant in the room – who are the rioters? Ireland has a big welfare population and anyone from these areas will know what I am about to say. The rioters were from Dublin – North Dublin and Red Line areas to be exact. These guys don’t work, they don’t go to school and they don’t look after their kids. I can’t even count the number of young single mothers who kept the baby to get access to better welfare. They didn’t stop being teenagers and partying just because there was a kid. They usually dump the kid on the grandparents. There is a fundamental breakdown in families in Ireland and this has nothing to do with the government, or any refugees no matter how hard people try to make the connection. Irish people have a toxic mentality – we can’t accept criticism and we can’t take accountability. The number one reason why yesterday happened wasn’t because of a stabbing attack – it was because we have failed ourselves and now we have a broken generation to resolve.
“Shame” isn’t enough to describe the totality of what has happened to Dublin. I don’t just feel shame towards the yesterday’s riots. I feel shame when I think about Ireland’s policy failures in housing, public services, and asylum claims. I feel shame when I look at the faces of the rioters and I see who they are. I know where they came from because I grew up there also. Yesterday wasn’t a one off event – it has bubbling for years. This isn’t a “refugee” problem despite what these rioters want to believe. This is a systemic problem to which all parties – rioters and politicians are to blame.
It was stupid to loot stores in America and it is stupid to loot stores now in Dublin. It really is just opportunism and theft and doesn’t make your case stronger in the slightest.
“It didn’t happen in a vacuum”
The only shame brought are the failed European policies.
Personally I completely agree that the stabbing of children is unacceptable and barbarians like that aren’t welcome.
The Taoiseach himself is not a man of the people. He’s inflamed a lot of the issue that are raising tensions in Ireland. Not just immigration which many will point to, not to deflate that issue but it’s a knee jerk reaction to populism.
I’m talking about the extreme housing shortage, the inflation, wage stagnation, cost of living & outward migration of native Irish. We’ve had years of this party & this man failing at every turn. He’s widely acknowledged to be a classist to a generation of Irish people who’ve been pushed from housing market is enemy no.1. He should step down because anything he says will make things worse here, I’m talking the potential for more riots. People really do not like him.
I think the kids stabbing shames and terrifies us more and this moral equivalency is a pathetic attempt at distraction. Oh Leo
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How are the people who were stabbed? It seems like every story I’ve read since the initial stabbings is just about the rioters.
Young girl was stabbed and these clowns use it as an excuse to loot new runners from footlocker. Opportunistic is far too light of an word to use for them they are just fucking rats…..and to be a rat in one of the most educated countries in the world is a true feat.
A riot is the language of the unheard- Martin Luther King.
Most of these so-called leftists calling out this riot which happened immediately after children were stabbed by an Algerian would have been BLM supporters in the States. Cause Celebre every.single.time.
When a government gives up its monopoly on violence for the sake of minoritarian supremacism, you will get violence from other actors.
The situation is insane all in europe (Ireland, France, Sweden…)
Everybody know what is happening but nobody dare or can say anything.
They are over represented in jail, for god sake
Netherland last election tells us exactly what is going on
If the state or politic does not want to address the issue, then the people will, how it is hard to understand ?
The biggest shame is when an illegal migrant stabs kids in the street in broad daylight. Go to hell with your forced migration pacts and plans. People will resist it one way or the other – next votings will be interesting I.e. NL. All this nonsense about EU federalisation starts to make sense – especially when they want the EU to make decisions on border controls and security instead of local governments.
The Irish Prime minister should consider the sources of the rioters’ feelings and his own culpability. He must stop using police to respond and have dialogue.
That’s what he wanted in Israel anyway.
If only those ‘protesting’ cared enough to protest about the number of women and children who are injured and killed through domestic violence. I wonder how many of the rioters have restraining orders against them.
This was bound to happen. Hopefully Ireland will wake the fuck up.
All the sudden, no more talk of “fiery but mostly peaceful protest”….
People focus on Russia propaganda, but there is also far-right American GOP propaganda that is targeting European countries. Notice how many far-right Americans quickly encouraged these thugs to go fight invaders
Have they considered doing something about mass immigration then – it’s only going to get worse otherwise
Let’s all forget about the frequent stabbing and only think about this riot… That was caused by the stabbing
What he would say if they were BLM rioters?