Well there is enough rubble left over from Boris’s rape and pillage of the land, so he could be in with a chance.
I’ve said before, the leader Starmer needs to look at for Labour success is not Tony Blair but David Cameron.
Cameron is probably the most successful electioneer for the Tories since Thatcher, in terms of the ability to flip seats. He flipped nearly 100 in one election, that is what Starmer needs to do.
>Having completed internal changes to the party rulebook to break the hold of the left, drawn a firm line under the Corbyn era with his conference speech in Brighton, and appointed an unapologetically centrist shadow cabinet, he feels voters are once again ready to contemplate the prospect of Labour in power.
>His choice of the phrase “new Britain” to describe his election offer will raise hackles among the Labour left, as it closely echoes the “New Labour, New Britain” slogan used by Tony Blair when he became the party’s last leader to go from opposition into power in 1997.
>**One veteran of past elections told The Independent: “It’s clear the direction he’s taking. He stood for the leadership as Jeremy Corbyn’s successor, and he is going to win the next election as Tony Blair’s successor.”**
Nice.
the main takeaway from starmer’s time as labour leader thus far is that he a deeply dishonest and untrustworthy man. i think it’d be dangerous to make a man prime minister when he has made it abundantly clear that he doesn’t mean a single word that comes out of his mouth. who knows what he’d end up doing?
The apocalypse has already happened it’s too late, this country is doomed. Just need to stop trying and get every non Labour voter to accept it’s a shithole that needs massive change and vote for us.
Labour wont be ready by 2023, pandemic shambles will have been forgotten, the rhetoric will be “steering us through a global pandemic”
Tories will have another majority, maybe a smaller one.
Labour wont be ready.
All he did as an oposition is to agree with Boris or abstain.
He’s next to useless.
> Keir Starmer pledges to ‘build a new Britain’
Given the state of you and your party this is not a vote winner.
If Starmer wants to win the next election, he needs to do 4 things.
1. Stop the war on Corbynites. Undo Corbyn’s parliamentary party suspension, give him the whip back and welcome back all the people expelled in Starmer’s left-purge. All it takes is for Corbyn and his Momentum backers to start a breakaway party and it’ll split the left wing vote.
2. Present himself as the candidate for law, order and justice and promise to criminally investigate the Conservative cabinet. He’s an ex-prosecutor. He knows how to get shit done. If he becomes the candidate that is most likely to land Boris Johnson and his Eton chums in prison, people ***will*** vote for him.
3. Appeal more to big businesses and media moguls, but without stabbing his own party’s core supporters in the back. This is why Cameron, May and Johnson won the last four elections… They had the media and the press on their side. Sure it’s going to make Starmer look like he’s licking Murdoch’s and Viscount Rotheremere’s boots, but it’s the way to not get pilloried in the papers.
4. Promise a better Brexit deal.
Does he have planning permission for that? Sounds like a big project.
I really don’t want to vote for him. I find him just as dishonest as a Tory but feel like I need to vote for whoever is most likely to remove Tory’s from government.
A vote for Conservative or Labour is just voting for different forms of communism at the moment!
Let’s be realistic, *if* Labour win the next election it will because the tory press allowed it. They’ll get one term where fuck all gets done and straight back to being blamed for everything from the last 15 years.
The Torys need to refresh their ‘the last Labour government’ line.
A few people I’ve met still think Corbyn leads Labour and don’t know who Kier Starmer is, let alone what he stands for.
When you pay attention to politics every day, things can seem very different to most people who pay attention to current affairs during elections or not at all since it’s a hard subject to stay interested in for long, I’ll be honest.
The only thing I actually know about Labour is they’re not the Conservatives. Their party is so diverse and all over the place ideologically and it seems like hating Boris Johnson and the government is what keeps them together. Angela Rayner and Kier Starmer are very different people and represent different wings of their party. The fact Starmer demoted her in the Shadow Cabinet after the reshuffle doesn’t exactly hide that they may not have a good working relationship.
I just worry Labour could tear itself apart, moreso than a Conservative government, but since they haven’t been in government for over a decade, I don’t know what to think.
No faith in this man. I’ll vote in the election but I anticipate another 10 years of Tories at least.
“he puts labour on 2023 footing”? His entire strategy has been to just not be the Tory’s except, the electorate actually know very little about where he actually stands.
The only things of note I can actually think of is to cooch up to Zionism with his speech a while back and to lose party funding by severing union ties. And ironically this sounds very Tory to me.
Can someone provide me of the contrary please.
Labour in 2023 will effectively be Tories in 2010. Keith’s whole strategy is to be Tory Lite™.
Slags off the Conservatives yet supports them in votes through the pandemic. Hasn’t really done anything just sat on the sidelines looking pretty, waiting for the Conservatives to inevitably fail, as no ome knows how to deal with a pandemic. Then come out as if they are the star party that we all need. The lesser of two evils.
What is it he intends to build, sorry?
Because anything short of a planetary alliance/government with planetary political support addressing our various existential crises with a planetary response is just noise amidst the lethal collapse of pretty much everything.
I see people talking here about specific UK party leaders and seats, the SNP vote share, mandates and devolution, tactical voting… you – and THEY – are all discussing the colour of the wallpaper while the house is on fire, floating down the road on a lava flow heading out to sea.
Yet I’ve still no idea what a single policy of his would be.
It’ll be as well kept as all of his other broken pledges.
So depressing that we have at least another 2 years of these stupid Bastards in charge before we get a shot for change
That article is absolute peak Starmer. It’s full of slogans and soundbites but I still have absolutely no idea what actual policies Labour might have, and not even much idea about the broad areas they will concentrate on. Yes, we all know you went on a purge of leftists as soon as you got power (in direct contravention of your promises in the leadership campaign, something the press is likely to point out at election time) and that you’re not Corbyn, but that isn’t something to vote *for*.
The electorate is tiring of Johnson and his lies, but that doesn’t mean they actually like Starmer or understand Labour’s platform. When they replace him, particularly if it’s with a non-London leader, they’ll end up with someone more relatable to the Red Wall than a north London lawyer can ever be.
What a shame he’d like to build it in an outer suburb of Brussels.
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Well there is enough rubble left over from Boris’s rape and pillage of the land, so he could be in with a chance.
I’ve said before, the leader Starmer needs to look at for Labour success is not Tony Blair but David Cameron.
Cameron is probably the most successful electioneer for the Tories since Thatcher, in terms of the ability to flip seats. He flipped nearly 100 in one election, that is what Starmer needs to do.
>Having completed internal changes to the party rulebook to break the hold of the left, drawn a firm line under the Corbyn era with his conference speech in Brighton, and appointed an unapologetically centrist shadow cabinet, he feels voters are once again ready to contemplate the prospect of Labour in power.
>His choice of the phrase “new Britain” to describe his election offer will raise hackles among the Labour left, as it closely echoes the “New Labour, New Britain” slogan used by Tony Blair when he became the party’s last leader to go from opposition into power in 1997.
>**One veteran of past elections told The Independent: “It’s clear the direction he’s taking. He stood for the leadership as Jeremy Corbyn’s successor, and he is going to win the next election as Tony Blair’s successor.”**
Nice.
the main takeaway from starmer’s time as labour leader thus far is that he a deeply dishonest and untrustworthy man. i think it’d be dangerous to make a man prime minister when he has made it abundantly clear that he doesn’t mean a single word that comes out of his mouth. who knows what he’d end up doing?
The apocalypse has already happened it’s too late, this country is doomed. Just need to stop trying and get every non Labour voter to accept it’s a shithole that needs massive change and vote for us.
Labour wont be ready by 2023, pandemic shambles will have been forgotten, the rhetoric will be “steering us through a global pandemic”
Tories will have another majority, maybe a smaller one.
Labour wont be ready.
All he did as an oposition is to agree with Boris or abstain.
He’s next to useless.
> Keir Starmer pledges to ‘build a new Britain’
Given the state of you and your party this is not a vote winner.
If Starmer wants to win the next election, he needs to do 4 things.
1. Stop the war on Corbynites. Undo Corbyn’s parliamentary party suspension, give him the whip back and welcome back all the people expelled in Starmer’s left-purge. All it takes is for Corbyn and his Momentum backers to start a breakaway party and it’ll split the left wing vote.
2. Present himself as the candidate for law, order and justice and promise to criminally investigate the Conservative cabinet. He’s an ex-prosecutor. He knows how to get shit done. If he becomes the candidate that is most likely to land Boris Johnson and his Eton chums in prison, people ***will*** vote for him.
3. Appeal more to big businesses and media moguls, but without stabbing his own party’s core supporters in the back. This is why Cameron, May and Johnson won the last four elections… They had the media and the press on their side. Sure it’s going to make Starmer look like he’s licking Murdoch’s and Viscount Rotheremere’s boots, but it’s the way to not get pilloried in the papers.
4. Promise a better Brexit deal.
Does he have planning permission for that? Sounds like a big project.
I really don’t want to vote for him. I find him just as dishonest as a Tory but feel like I need to vote for whoever is most likely to remove Tory’s from government.
A vote for Conservative or Labour is just voting for different forms of communism at the moment!
Let’s be realistic, *if* Labour win the next election it will because the tory press allowed it. They’ll get one term where fuck all gets done and straight back to being blamed for everything from the last 15 years.
The Torys need to refresh their ‘the last Labour government’ line.
A few people I’ve met still think Corbyn leads Labour and don’t know who Kier Starmer is, let alone what he stands for.
When you pay attention to politics every day, things can seem very different to most people who pay attention to current affairs during elections or not at all since it’s a hard subject to stay interested in for long, I’ll be honest.
The only thing I actually know about Labour is they’re not the Conservatives. Their party is so diverse and all over the place ideologically and it seems like hating Boris Johnson and the government is what keeps them together. Angela Rayner and Kier Starmer are very different people and represent different wings of their party. The fact Starmer demoted her in the Shadow Cabinet after the reshuffle doesn’t exactly hide that they may not have a good working relationship.
I just worry Labour could tear itself apart, moreso than a Conservative government, but since they haven’t been in government for over a decade, I don’t know what to think.
No faith in this man. I’ll vote in the election but I anticipate another 10 years of Tories at least.
“he puts labour on 2023 footing”? His entire strategy has been to just not be the Tory’s except, the electorate actually know very little about where he actually stands.
The only things of note I can actually think of is to cooch up to Zionism with his speech a while back and to lose party funding by severing union ties. And ironically this sounds very Tory to me.
Can someone provide me of the contrary please.
Labour in 2023 will effectively be Tories in 2010. Keith’s whole strategy is to be Tory Lite™.
Slags off the Conservatives yet supports them in votes through the pandemic. Hasn’t really done anything just sat on the sidelines looking pretty, waiting for the Conservatives to inevitably fail, as no ome knows how to deal with a pandemic. Then come out as if they are the star party that we all need. The lesser of two evils.
What is it he intends to build, sorry?
Because anything short of a planetary alliance/government with planetary political support addressing our various existential crises with a planetary response is just noise amidst the lethal collapse of pretty much everything.
I see people talking here about specific UK party leaders and seats, the SNP vote share, mandates and devolution, tactical voting… you – and THEY – are all discussing the colour of the wallpaper while the house is on fire, floating down the road on a lava flow heading out to sea.
Yet I’ve still no idea what a single policy of his would be.
It’ll be as well kept as all of his other broken pledges.
So depressing that we have at least another 2 years of these stupid Bastards in charge before we get a shot for change
That article is absolute peak Starmer. It’s full of slogans and soundbites but I still have absolutely no idea what actual policies Labour might have, and not even much idea about the broad areas they will concentrate on. Yes, we all know you went on a purge of leftists as soon as you got power (in direct contravention of your promises in the leadership campaign, something the press is likely to point out at election time) and that you’re not Corbyn, but that isn’t something to vote *for*.
The electorate is tiring of Johnson and his lies, but that doesn’t mean they actually like Starmer or understand Labour’s platform. When they replace him, particularly if it’s with a non-London leader, they’ll end up with someone more relatable to the Red Wall than a north London lawyer can ever be.
What a shame he’d like to build it in an outer suburb of Brussels.