I hope a lot of people turn out on Saturday for the Alanna vigil. It’s on at 11am at the Ballyfermot Civic centre if anyone is interested.
The situation in Dublin is out of control. Is it the same in another cities?
Are house arrests a thing in Ireland?
Why are judges not forcing these oxygen wasters sit at their (no doubt) council home for a year wearing a bracelet-tracker and report to the garda station three times a week?
Anything to keep them off the streets and away from his waste-of-sperm friends.
Segregation from society + no ‘big man’ status that they get after serving actual time + One less scrote in a scrotum (gang of scrotes)
As long as they keep their focus on the damn weed heads I’m satisfied
People are always blaming the guards when it’s the judiciary who are the real joke. “Oh he/she had a tough upbringing causing them to have over 200 convictions. They just need another chance. Talks of a PLC course Judge”
I often if something like Military school would give these lads a kick up the ass. Instead of 4th year send them off for a year to learn first aid, community service, marching and so on. I feel like they need respect drilled into them on a constant matter.
I remember when I was in the FCA (RDF now) that if you step out of line or being a gimp that you would be knocked back into place fairly quick. Something I feel like some of those in younger generations have no idea of respect for authority or anything else.
harsh sentencing doesn’t work
We need a Garda public order unit team… with teeth.
Well equipped and with legislative backing (i.e. if they break some bones the state won’t have to cough up money to scrotes).
A new “Brano five team” would do the trick
Reading an article on what those scumbags did to her makes my blood boil. More people in Ireland need to get angry about this. Like what are we going to do? What will be done? We can’t have this attitude of apathy: “Oh they’ll get away with it”. At what point do we the people have to say enough is enough, the justice system is failing victims of crime. Do we wait until it effects us? A vigil isn’t enough. Maybe a lynch mob.
I got attacked in galway on new years by a group of 6 teenagers. They nearly broke my nose and left me with two black eyes. I’m not bothering to go to the guards, I know it’s completely pointless. Theyll get a slap on the wrist and I’ll get my solicitors fees.
I heard from a guard unofficially that I was the second person they attacked that night. Also that the guards don’t bother to have patrols anymore because there’s not enough people on the streets but they know people are still getting attacked. This makes me more annoyed than the castrated legal system we have in Ireland.
I believe political pressure is the only solution, this is a problem from the top down like health care, housing and every other major issue in Ireland but I don’t see any political party really willing to do anything about it. More guards, more guards with guns and they need to start charging these teenagers as adults 16 and above.
In my opinion you should not get bail after 3 convictions and sentences should be increased for repeat offenders depending on their number of convictions.
He actually looks like an Irish judge
I’ve always had an idea in my head that instead of giving just a suspended sentence after a scumbag was found guilty of scrote-like behaviour that they could also be forced to participate in years long community work(such as litter picking etc) on top of receiving a suspended sentence.
I think this could scare scrotes much more than just a “suspended sentence” or an “adjourned case”. The embarrassment of being forced to pick up litter in public on a long term basis would be a meaningful punishment.
Obviously I’m only talking about the case in which the scrote has not been sentence to jail time.
Bunch of right wing bastards in the comments
Here in California the voters eventually got tired of the perceived leniency of the justice system towards career criminals and passed a “three strikes” law. Under this law, a conviction for a certain type of crime constitutes a “strike” and three strikes results in a mandatory sentence of life imprisonment.
This sub is obsessed with that word
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We house them, we feed them, we educate them and ultimately we incentivize this behavior.
They live outside the rules of a decent society and laugh at the rest of us.
They fuck around and we are left with the social responsibility of funding and raising their kids.
So… are tasers street-legal? What voltage? Asking for a friend.
Lots of great ideas on here (and some not so great!) for improving this situation. Unfortunately zero political motivation to do anything. The voters who count are all driving their nice cars to their nice suburbs at a safe distance from all of this shit.
Lots of great ideas on here (and some not so great!) for improving this situation. Unfortunately zero political motivation to do anything. The voters who count are all driving their nice cars to their nice suburbs at a safe distance from all of this shit.
Did I miss a particular case?
we irish are such fucking moaners honestly
“Ah ur busting my balls Gard’s ur busting my balls” – judge Nolan
The Irish justice industry makes a shit load of money keeping these guys on the streets. 100+ court appearances at a few grand a pop. The legal eagles have a financial incentive to keep the worst repeat offenders walking the streets of Ireland.
If you want to solve the rising crime situation in Dublin you need to take discretion out of the hands of judges. Mandatory minimum sentences after say the 5th conviction would immediately reduce crime on the streets. Criminal rights campaign groups like the Irish Council for Civil Liberties, Pavee Point, and the Irish Penal Reform Trust will doubtless argue that it prison is too expensive but the savings on things like free legal aid (don’t need it if you are in jail and not committing crimes) would go a long way to covering that cost.
Either that or assign a criminal a barrister/solicitor for life and cap the amount a barristers/solicitor on both sides can get paid by the state to process a single criminal. I.e. if the same criminal is appearing in court for the 100th time and the judge, prosecution and defence legal teams only got paid for the first 5 times the you’ll very quickly find the loop holes and paperwork issues that see criminals walk out of court more often than not will quickly stop happening.
What will it actually take for there to be reform? Is two young women in the space of a few months losing eyes to violent attacks (one with a firework in Galway and this week in Ballyfermot with an assault) not enough? How about Deliveroo drivers having areas in which they categorically will not deliver because they know that they will be assaulted? How about regular stories of serious violence in the gangland scene?
Seriously asking, this isn’t rhetorical – in many cases, political change comes about because a particular incident serves as a “flashpoint” to spur government into action following a particularly explosive spate of media coverage. Veronica Guerin’s murder led to the creation of CAB and the first major gangland crackdown. The shooting of David Byrne in the Regency Hotel led to the government *finally* taking action to dismantle the Kinahan and Hutch cartels which had previously been operating with total impunity for many years. The murder of Declan Flynn led to the Pride movement in Ireland going mainstream and serious political attention to the issue of homophobic hate crime. Etc.
What is the necessary “flashpoint” in the current epidemic of frequent disorganised violent crime (“anti social behaviour” I should say, FFS) for our government to look at sentencing reform, increasing prison capacity and abolishing the suspended sentence as a routine cop-out? What will it have to be? Will some teenager have to be murdered after a wrong answer to “what the fuck are youuuuu lookin’ a’?” Will some tourist have to be stabbed with a syringe while walking along the boardwalk, resulting in international media attention that fucks with Ireland’s reputation? Will a politician’s son or daughter have to be the next random decent person going about their daily lives when some scumbag decides to beat them up because they think it’s funny?
I’m not asking this rhetorically. What kind of incident is it going to take for our government to finally take the issue of low level violent crime seriously in this country?
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I hope a lot of people turn out on Saturday for the Alanna vigil. It’s on at 11am at the Ballyfermot Civic centre if anyone is interested.
The situation in Dublin is out of control. Is it the same in another cities?
Are house arrests a thing in Ireland?
Why are judges not forcing these oxygen wasters sit at their (no doubt) council home for a year wearing a bracelet-tracker and report to the garda station three times a week?
Anything to keep them off the streets and away from his waste-of-sperm friends.
Segregation from society + no ‘big man’ status that they get after serving actual time + One less scrote in a scrotum (gang of scrotes)
As long as they keep their focus on the damn weed heads I’m satisfied
People are always blaming the guards when it’s the judiciary who are the real joke. “Oh he/she had a tough upbringing causing them to have over 200 convictions. They just need another chance. Talks of a PLC course Judge”
I often if something like Military school would give these lads a kick up the ass. Instead of 4th year send them off for a year to learn first aid, community service, marching and so on. I feel like they need respect drilled into them on a constant matter.
I remember when I was in the FCA (RDF now) that if you step out of line or being a gimp that you would be knocked back into place fairly quick. Something I feel like some of those in younger generations have no idea of respect for authority or anything else.
harsh sentencing doesn’t work
We need a Garda public order unit team… with teeth.
Well equipped and with legislative backing (i.e. if they break some bones the state won’t have to cough up money to scrotes).
A new “Brano five team” would do the trick
Reading an article on what those scumbags did to her makes my blood boil. More people in Ireland need to get angry about this. Like what are we going to do? What will be done? We can’t have this attitude of apathy: “Oh they’ll get away with it”. At what point do we the people have to say enough is enough, the justice system is failing victims of crime. Do we wait until it effects us? A vigil isn’t enough. Maybe a lynch mob.
I got attacked in galway on new years by a group of 6 teenagers. They nearly broke my nose and left me with two black eyes. I’m not bothering to go to the guards, I know it’s completely pointless. Theyll get a slap on the wrist and I’ll get my solicitors fees.
I heard from a guard unofficially that I was the second person they attacked that night. Also that the guards don’t bother to have patrols anymore because there’s not enough people on the streets but they know people are still getting attacked. This makes me more annoyed than the castrated legal system we have in Ireland.
I believe political pressure is the only solution, this is a problem from the top down like health care, housing and every other major issue in Ireland but I don’t see any political party really willing to do anything about it. More guards, more guards with guns and they need to start charging these teenagers as adults 16 and above.
In my opinion you should not get bail after 3 convictions and sentences should be increased for repeat offenders depending on their number of convictions.
He actually looks like an Irish judge
I’ve always had an idea in my head that instead of giving just a suspended sentence after a scumbag was found guilty of scrote-like behaviour that they could also be forced to participate in years long community work(such as litter picking etc) on top of receiving a suspended sentence.
I think this could scare scrotes much more than just a “suspended sentence” or an “adjourned case”. The embarrassment of being forced to pick up litter in public on a long term basis would be a meaningful punishment.
Obviously I’m only talking about the case in which the scrote has not been sentence to jail time.
Bunch of right wing bastards in the comments
Here in California the voters eventually got tired of the perceived leniency of the justice system towards career criminals and passed a “three strikes” law. Under this law, a conviction for a certain type of crime constitutes a “strike” and three strikes results in a mandatory sentence of life imprisonment.
This sub is obsessed with that word
[deleted]
We house them, we feed them, we educate them and ultimately we incentivize this behavior.
They live outside the rules of a decent society and laugh at the rest of us.
They fuck around and we are left with the social responsibility of funding and raising their kids.
So… are tasers street-legal? What voltage? Asking for a friend.
Lots of great ideas on here (and some not so great!) for improving this situation. Unfortunately zero political motivation to do anything. The voters who count are all driving their nice cars to their nice suburbs at a safe distance from all of this shit.
Lots of great ideas on here (and some not so great!) for improving this situation. Unfortunately zero political motivation to do anything. The voters who count are all driving their nice cars to their nice suburbs at a safe distance from all of this shit.
Did I miss a particular case?
we irish are such fucking moaners honestly
“Ah ur busting my balls Gard’s ur busting my balls” – judge Nolan
The Irish justice industry makes a shit load of money keeping these guys on the streets. 100+ court appearances at a few grand a pop. The legal eagles have a financial incentive to keep the worst repeat offenders walking the streets of Ireland.
If you want to solve the rising crime situation in Dublin you need to take discretion out of the hands of judges. Mandatory minimum sentences after say the 5th conviction would immediately reduce crime on the streets. Criminal rights campaign groups like the Irish Council for Civil Liberties, Pavee Point, and the Irish Penal Reform Trust will doubtless argue that it prison is too expensive but the savings on things like free legal aid (don’t need it if you are in jail and not committing crimes) would go a long way to covering that cost.
Either that or assign a criminal a barrister/solicitor for life and cap the amount a barristers/solicitor on both sides can get paid by the state to process a single criminal. I.e. if the same criminal is appearing in court for the 100th time and the judge, prosecution and defence legal teams only got paid for the first 5 times the you’ll very quickly find the loop holes and paperwork issues that see criminals walk out of court more often than not will quickly stop happening.
What will it actually take for there to be reform? Is two young women in the space of a few months losing eyes to violent attacks (one with a firework in Galway and this week in Ballyfermot with an assault) not enough? How about Deliveroo drivers having areas in which they categorically will not deliver because they know that they will be assaulted? How about regular stories of serious violence in the gangland scene?
Seriously asking, this isn’t rhetorical – in many cases, political change comes about because a particular incident serves as a “flashpoint” to spur government into action following a particularly explosive spate of media coverage. Veronica Guerin’s murder led to the creation of CAB and the first major gangland crackdown. The shooting of David Byrne in the Regency Hotel led to the government *finally* taking action to dismantle the Kinahan and Hutch cartels which had previously been operating with total impunity for many years. The murder of Declan Flynn led to the Pride movement in Ireland going mainstream and serious political attention to the issue of homophobic hate crime. Etc.
What is the necessary “flashpoint” in the current epidemic of frequent disorganised violent crime (“anti social behaviour” I should say, FFS) for our government to look at sentencing reform, increasing prison capacity and abolishing the suspended sentence as a routine cop-out? What will it have to be? Will some teenager have to be murdered after a wrong answer to “what the fuck are youuuuu lookin’ a’?” Will some tourist have to be stabbed with a syringe while walking along the boardwalk, resulting in international media attention that fucks with Ireland’s reputation? Will a politician’s son or daughter have to be the next random decent person going about their daily lives when some scumbag decides to beat them up because they think it’s funny?
I’m not asking this rhetorically. What kind of incident is it going to take for our government to finally take the issue of low level violent crime seriously in this country?