As a pretext to dissolve maybe. How would this be even possible when you have “core” EU states – not just Poland (formerly), Hungary, Slovakia etc. – swinging to euroscepticism? (Wilders and Meloni as well as a very real chance for AfD and National Rally to take power)
Technocrat moment
I wholeheartedly agree
But this will be something that is so complicated it would take 25 years
When you are losing and you need to get “absorbed”
I love the EU, the several types of flavors of democracy with free market and free of movements.
Tax competition is one of the best tools there is in the EU.
I don’t want.
There is no need to.
That’s not even a good idea.
It’d be better in the long-run, but the EU isn’t even particularly democratic.
It’d also be better to unify the languages in the long run (i.e just forcing English everywhere – like Mao did with Simplified Chinese) but that’ll never happen either.
It’d be better to focus on unified immigration, labour, and employment / employment taxation policies first. So we could at least operate a bit more like the US with companies easily able to operate throughout the EU with just one HQ, tax and legal office and filings. That’s a lot more achievable than trying to unify everything.
EU pushing toward a coherent state solution is the end of EU – unless you believe miracles happen and this time continent-wide Jugoslavia will somehow survive without collapsing on particularisms.
This is the last thing eu needs
Great, start by giving the parliament legislative initiative.Then ditch the commission.
This is the only way the European countries can hope to have a say in world developments vis a vis the US and China. Otherwise they‘ll always get played against one another.
Tax competition is the only thing that keeps the EU alive. If that is lost, it’s over.
First of all, the election laws must be reformed and unified. Elections of the European Parliament must follow the principle “one person, one vote”. Transeuropean parties must be implemented with transeuropean election lists. Elections must be dated on one europe-wide day. The Spitzenkandidaten system should be implemented.
After such reforms, we need a bicameral legislation, a government that is elected by the Parliament with ministers appointed by the head of the government and approved by both chambers. No more European Council, no more European Commission. No more veto rights. If a european state doesn’t want to participate in such reforms, the remaining countries should proceed nonetheless.
We cannot go on with nationalism like this. We need a functional, integrated power.
Cant see the article and I can’t log-in.
it’s stupid idea
This is the sort of language that fuelled Brexit by the way.
And that’s, gentlemen, what happens to you when you take the Vaccine.
Based
That much is obvious. The question is how.
How about you go F*** yourself
I hope to see this happen during my life time too, but it is going to be a long and difficult road and some things in how the EU institutions and democracy work need to change first. Also, it will never work if there are states that have strong eurosceptic viewpoints. Partly that has to do with populistic shouters from both the hard left or right side of politics, but I think the EU institutions are also just terrible at actually showing what they do to improve the live of the European citizens. Many people just have no clue how the EU functions and how they benefit from it.
Despite all the negative things going on on our continent, I still think it absolutely beats living anywhere else, and I think we have a better chance of keeping it like that if we are even more united than we are now.
I would want to see a united europe but only if we all actually want it and vote for it. I don’t feel as though such a monumental decision should be discussed or taken lightly…
Hope not
I’m cool with that so long as we exclude Germany and Austria.
Just… no.
Yes please!
No thank you? This kind of extremism is precisely the reason why the far right exist. The eu has demonstrated to be incompetent at a lot of stuff. Solving that? No. Just gain absolute power over your local government instead.
I think the eu could do other useful things first. Like a common foreign policy, which is currently lacking, and using that to strongarm countries who refuse the rule of law. Example all countries who refuse to take back their illegals immigrants.
Common unified way to buy energy from abroad, could be Russia ,us ,china whatever, and using its immense persuading power to gain the lowest prices.
The eu does nothing of the sort. It’s becoming a bureaucratic giant. Giving it MORE power WITHOUT accountability is not the way to solve that.
No thanks.
No, we’re grand the way we are
im all for close cooperation and the EU, but integrating so many extremely different cultures that had thousands of years to evolve is in my eyes too difficult.
I can only imagine how i’d feel being dominated by larger countries with wildly different cultures and views and much higher voting power.
Close cooperation and a joint military would be a good step but national sovereignty will not be given up easily. we all fought very long and hard to achieve it.
People, the choice is yours.
Either say you’re proud of insignificantcountry#337 that is most famous for its one specific variety of beetroot, carrot, and tennis shoe soup that tastes like death; and a constant negative population growth…
Or you can be proud of a country most famous for making the USA and the PRC shit their pants and lock themselves in the bathroom crying
Again, the choice is yours; if you prefer the former, fine, but don’t complain that your country of 2 million people is being assfucked relentlessly and without protection by one of several regional/world powers, and has less of a say in its internal politics than it would were it part of a EU state
No thanks, it would be the end of holding politicians accountable to voters in practical terms, but good luck to the countries that want to.
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As a pretext to dissolve maybe. How would this be even possible when you have “core” EU states – not just Poland (formerly), Hungary, Slovakia etc. – swinging to euroscepticism? (Wilders and Meloni as well as a very real chance for AfD and National Rally to take power)
Technocrat moment
I wholeheartedly agree
But this will be something that is so complicated it would take 25 years
When you are losing and you need to get “absorbed”
I love the EU, the several types of flavors of democracy with free market and free of movements.
Tax competition is one of the best tools there is in the EU.
I don’t want.
There is no need to.
That’s not even a good idea.
It’d be better in the long-run, but the EU isn’t even particularly democratic.
It’d also be better to unify the languages in the long run (i.e just forcing English everywhere – like Mao did with Simplified Chinese) but that’ll never happen either.
It’d be better to focus on unified immigration, labour, and employment / employment taxation policies first. So we could at least operate a bit more like the US with companies easily able to operate throughout the EU with just one HQ, tax and legal office and filings. That’s a lot more achievable than trying to unify everything.
EU pushing toward a coherent state solution is the end of EU – unless you believe miracles happen and this time continent-wide Jugoslavia will somehow survive without collapsing on particularisms.
This is the last thing eu needs
Great, start by giving the parliament legislative initiative.Then ditch the commission.
This is the only way the European countries can hope to have a say in world developments vis a vis the US and China. Otherwise they‘ll always get played against one another.
[This is what going to happen](https://preview.redd.it/for-every-rs-100-paid-in-direct-tax-how-much-each-state-v0-zcvfs35nsbga1.png?auto=webp&s=f890df67e465185e4305b299c6b63c09133954ef)
not gonna happen in the next atleast 50 years
Tax competition is the only thing that keeps the EU alive. If that is lost, it’s over.
First of all, the election laws must be reformed and unified. Elections of the European Parliament must follow the principle “one person, one vote”. Transeuropean parties must be implemented with transeuropean election lists. Elections must be dated on one europe-wide day. The Spitzenkandidaten system should be implemented.
After such reforms, we need a bicameral legislation, a government that is elected by the Parliament with ministers appointed by the head of the government and approved by both chambers. No more European Council, no more European Commission. No more veto rights. If a european state doesn’t want to participate in such reforms, the remaining countries should proceed nonetheless.
We cannot go on with nationalism like this. We need a functional, integrated power.
Cant see the article and I can’t log-in.
it’s stupid idea
This is the sort of language that fuelled Brexit by the way.
And that’s, gentlemen, what happens to you when you take the Vaccine.
Based
That much is obvious. The question is how.
How about you go F*** yourself
I hope to see this happen during my life time too, but it is going to be a long and difficult road and some things in how the EU institutions and democracy work need to change first. Also, it will never work if there are states that have strong eurosceptic viewpoints. Partly that has to do with populistic shouters from both the hard left or right side of politics, but I think the EU institutions are also just terrible at actually showing what they do to improve the live of the European citizens. Many people just have no clue how the EU functions and how they benefit from it.
Despite all the negative things going on on our continent, I still think it absolutely beats living anywhere else, and I think we have a better chance of keeping it like that if we are even more united than we are now.
I would want to see a united europe but only if we all actually want it and vote for it. I don’t feel as though such a monumental decision should be discussed or taken lightly…
Hope not
I’m cool with that so long as we exclude Germany and Austria.
Just… no.
Yes please!
No thank you? This kind of extremism is precisely the reason why the far right exist. The eu has demonstrated to be incompetent at a lot of stuff. Solving that? No. Just gain absolute power over your local government instead.
I think the eu could do other useful things first. Like a common foreign policy, which is currently lacking, and using that to strongarm countries who refuse the rule of law. Example all countries who refuse to take back their illegals immigrants.
Common unified way to buy energy from abroad, could be Russia ,us ,china whatever, and using its immense persuading power to gain the lowest prices.
The eu does nothing of the sort. It’s becoming a bureaucratic giant. Giving it MORE power WITHOUT accountability is not the way to solve that.
No thanks.
No, we’re grand the way we are
im all for close cooperation and the EU, but integrating so many extremely different cultures that had thousands of years to evolve is in my eyes too difficult.
I can only imagine how i’d feel being dominated by larger countries with wildly different cultures and views and much higher voting power.
Close cooperation and a joint military would be a good step but national sovereignty will not be given up easily. we all fought very long and hard to achieve it.
People, the choice is yours.
Either say you’re proud of insignificantcountry#337 that is most famous for its one specific variety of beetroot, carrot, and tennis shoe soup that tastes like death; and a constant negative population growth…
Or you can be proud of a country most famous for making the USA and the PRC shit their pants and lock themselves in the bathroom crying
Again, the choice is yours; if you prefer the former, fine, but don’t complain that your country of 2 million people is being assfucked relentlessly and without protection by one of several regional/world powers, and has less of a say in its internal politics than it would were it part of a EU state
No thanks, it would be the end of holding politicians accountable to voters in practical terms, but good luck to the countries that want to.
It was the intention from the beginning…
***huh***