I’d normally agree, if it weren’t for elected Democrats stupidly pretending that anti-Israel, anti-Zionist, or pro-Palestinian sentiments are somehow all the same thing as the Neo-Nazis.
It’s funny bc people keep trying to conflate valid foreign policy criticisms of Israel as antisemitism. Meanwhile nearly all of the people supporting Palestinian human rights are liberals, who by and large are not actually antisemitic, and the Republicans support Netanyahu across the board even with a major chunk of their party being actual antisemites. It’s a little irritating to lecture people wanting to end bloodshed and call them antisemitic. Shumer has lost any support I ever had for him
> Hamas “knowingly invited an immense civilian toll during this war” and questioned why criticism for civilian deaths falls “exclusively on Israel” when Hamas terrorists actively hide behind innocent Palestinians in Gaza.
“they hide behind innocent civilians so why are you mad when Israel blows the civilians up!”
It’s not antisemetic to condemn genocidal zionists. Words matter.
He needs to stop conflating criticism of Israel’s actions with anti semitism.
Antisemitism is insisting that all Jews everywhere must accept the genocide Israel is conducting.
I might agree IF that didn’t mean supporting genocide
how about distinguishing between antisemitism and standing up for the human rights of innocent palestinians. This false equivalence from the DNC of labeling everyone who stands up against human rights violations by Israel as Pro-Hamas and antisemitic is deeply hypocritical.
I completely believe that you can separate criticism of Israel from antisemitism. I’m just also aware a lot of people who are anti-Israel are choosing not to do that.
What, is AIPAC going to overthrow our government if we don’t stop criticizing Israel? They already own it.
Condemning Israel isn’t the same as anti-semitism. However, the number of times these protests spill into actual anti-semitism is enough to give me pause. It’s clear the public at large has a problem
This same guy stood on stage with a Christian Nationalist Mike Johnson with Pastor Hagee waiting on deck. Mike Johnson and Pastor Hagee are at the front line of hate against LGBTQ hate.
Haaretz says “John Hagee Is a Muslim-hating, Antisemitic, Annexationist Extremist. He’s No Friend of Israel.”
He recently met with Benny Gantz, who brags about bombing Gaza “Back to the Stone-age” well before October 7th.
He is not sincere about discussions of hate and bigotry.
It seems like the same people who define pro-Palestinian action as antisemitism are fine with explicit antisemitism as long as the people saying it support Israel.
As a Jew, I’ve never been called an antisemite, not even close. Since Oct 7th that has changed. Any suggestion that Israel is not a perfect victim is met with that accusation.
Standing against antisemitism is necessary, true. But the one primary force animating antisemitism in the world now is Israel, both for claiming to stand and speak for Jews worldwide instead of embracing an identity as a pluralistic democratic state, and in weaponizing the label to excuse its atrocious ethnic cleansing programs, settler pogroms, and apartheid policies.
So yes, I stand against antisemitism. And in doing so I must therefore also stand against Israel.
In the past I have voiced support for Palestinians. In the context of the messaging in favor of Palestinians widespread on reddit lately I am alienated by the misleading information.
I would not argue in favor of a culture that seeks to force compliance to a backwards religious culture
that oppresses natural ppl. I cannot support a culture that would harm ppl because they are women or
because they are gay, etc.
However, I can support the Palestinians culture in terms of food, design, self expression, folklore, etc.
These are all good things that should be protected.
But Hamas clearly has genocide as a goal. And there seems to be an element of subversion in the pro Palestinians protests that I cannot go along with.
I have absolutely seen an increase of anti semitism since October 7. Not anti Israel sentiment, not anti Zionism, anti semitism. Congress people using phrases linked to the extermination of Jews in the Middle East as well as promotion of age old antisemitic tropes.
“Schumer added that a double standard regarding Jews persists today, which has left them feeling alone. He said, for example, that on Oct. 7, Hamas “knowingly invited an immense civilian toll during this war” and questioned why criticism for civilian deaths falls “exclusively on Israel” when Hamas terrorists actively hide behind innocent Palestinians in Gaza”
Hamas is a fucking terrorist organization. Israel is a nation state and member of the United Nations, and has a representative government. Nobody is puzzled when a terrorist organization causes mass casualties cuz that is what terrorists do, they inflict mass casualties under the flag of ideology in the hope of reprisals that will accelerate recruitment and radicalization. What is not expected though, is Israel wholeheartedly exterminating civilians for two months with American made munitions while the majority of the world watches in either silence or jubilant complicity as another muslim population is decimated by atrocity. If saying that Israel shouldn’t engage in collective punishment is antisemitism, then war is peace and up is down. FOH
The opposite of all this fundamentalism is found in duality. Light itself is both a particle and a wave – can we agree that theocratic fascism is wrong no matter which religion practices it? I’m increasingly concerned that the issue is the rejection of human rights and equal protection under the law for all human beings – equally. Religious supremacy is a lethal as racial supremacy – and must be called out and dissolved. Use the language of racial and religious equality and we will finally evolve past this stupid practice of competitive genocide.
The Likud party, by its very nature, is very racist, very fascist, and violent as hell. Were they the oppressed and not the oppressor, we’d call them ethnoterrorists.
They’ve run the country for nearly its entire lifespan and people contrary to them have been assassinated.
Sorry Chuck, this isn’t gonna fly anymore in 2023.
Criticism of the State of Israel, the conditions Palestinian people are forced to live in, or the blatant one-sided media coverage is NOT anti-semitism.
ALSO: adding the historical context of the 60+ year long struggle between Palestine and Israel is NOT the same as condoning Hamas’ actions.
If you treat a whole population of people like animals, don’t be surprised when they are forced to bite. It’s not condoning the actions, it’s having a brain. You can’t keep people in desperate situations and be surprised when they act desperately.
I do find it remarkable (in a bad way) the degree to which it still exists even in ‘Western’ societies.
I condemn hammas, and anti-antisemitism, but also war crimes, now can we work on a ceasefire?
That line has played itself thin. I condemn a corrupt government and state, not their religious beliefs. They are exclusive of one another.
I condemn antisemitism. Now, end the Israeli apartheid, and end the war crimes and genocide. Give back the occupied land. Israel is a nation state, and it’s not wrong to be critical of power structures and symbols.
Being anti-genocide of Palestinians by Israel ≠ antisemitism. It has nothing to do with race or religion. It’s about the attempted erasure of a people.
Is it possible to be a Zionist, in the sense that I believe that Jews deserve self determination, AND criticize Israel as sponsor of terror and Apartheid state?
Funny nobody batted an eye when those clowns burning those tiki torches shouting they will not be replaced by Jews, but now with the issues in the Middle East everybody is anti semite all of a sudden.
Criticizing Israel is not the same as antisemitism, you dumb fuqs
Anti Zionism is not Anti semitism just like anti nazism isnt anti german, and FUCK you for trying to weaponize that for far right wing fascist assholes to use as a shield for their genocide and racist slaughter.
I’ll support the people not killing tens of thousands and letting babies die abandoned in bombed hospitals, thanks.
ITT: not a single Jew and 99% “ackshually anti Zionism isn’t antisemitism”
Did any of you listen to his 40 minute speech where he specifically says criticism of Israel’s government is not antisemitic? Or are we just going to pretend we did and drown out all his valid concerns by assuming what he said?
Its tricky waters when anti genocide and anti colonialism is labled as anti semitism. Israel needs to be called out for its crimes. Jews abroad should not be facing violence, regardless of their political views.
The most notorious NeoNazi of our time got a guided tour of Isreal by the Prime Minister, and their chief focus is bribing 2 Senate candidates to primary the singular 1 Palestinian American congresswoman with $20 million for opposing their current ethnic cleansing campaign, but sure antisemitism is the problem.
Boy, the conflation of antisemitism and antizionism proponents are working overtime. “Israel is killing thousands of women and children in Gaza”, yeah, but what about the Holocaust?
I mean sure absolutely!
As long as no one tries to conflate legit criticism of Israel, a country, and its government’s decisions, with antisemitism.
Antisemitism and Nazism should be unlawful.
good to know that if i don’t condenm hamas chuck is going to help the IDF bomb my house
Can I criticize Israel‘a decades long human rights violations against Palestinians without being labeled an antisemite or nah?
Is that a threat?
Every politician who only wants you to stop talking shit about one particular faith group or racial group, is not helping anyone at all.
In America, you either are protected or aren’t. We went to fucking war over this shit.
Don’t be anti-Semitic but also don’t be anti-Islam or anti-Atheism. Everyone gets protection. Bar none.
Conveniently also refuses to condemn the murder of 5000 children..
Fucking crocodile tears. GTFO.
Protesting the actions of a political entity like the government of the state of Israel is not antisemitism.
I condemn antisemitism antisemitism anytime I come across it. I also condemn Israel.
The level of stupidity humanity has decended to is unprecedented.
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I’d normally agree, if it weren’t for elected Democrats stupidly pretending that anti-Israel, anti-Zionist, or pro-Palestinian sentiments are somehow all the same thing as the Neo-Nazis.
It’s funny bc people keep trying to conflate valid foreign policy criticisms of Israel as antisemitism. Meanwhile nearly all of the people supporting Palestinian human rights are liberals, who by and large are not actually antisemitic, and the Republicans support Netanyahu across the board even with a major chunk of their party being actual antisemites. It’s a little irritating to lecture people wanting to end bloodshed and call them antisemitic. Shumer has lost any support I ever had for him
> Hamas “knowingly invited an immense civilian toll during this war” and questioned why criticism for civilian deaths falls “exclusively on Israel” when Hamas terrorists actively hide behind innocent Palestinians in Gaza.
“they hide behind innocent civilians so why are you mad when Israel blows the civilians up!”
It’s not antisemetic to condemn genocidal zionists. Words matter.
He needs to stop conflating criticism of Israel’s actions with anti semitism.
Antisemitism is insisting that all Jews everywhere must accept the genocide Israel is conducting.
I might agree IF that didn’t mean supporting genocide
how about distinguishing between antisemitism and standing up for the human rights of innocent palestinians. This false equivalence from the DNC of labeling everyone who stands up against human rights violations by Israel as Pro-Hamas and antisemitic is deeply hypocritical.
I completely believe that you can separate criticism of Israel from antisemitism. I’m just also aware a lot of people who are anti-Israel are choosing not to do that.
What, is AIPAC going to overthrow our government if we don’t stop criticizing Israel? They already own it.
Condemning Israel isn’t the same as anti-semitism. However, the number of times these protests spill into actual anti-semitism is enough to give me pause. It’s clear the public at large has a problem
This same guy stood on stage with a Christian Nationalist Mike Johnson with Pastor Hagee waiting on deck. Mike Johnson and Pastor Hagee are at the front line of hate against LGBTQ hate.
Haaretz says “John Hagee Is a Muslim-hating, Antisemitic, Annexationist Extremist. He’s No Friend of Israel.”
He recently met with Benny Gantz, who brags about bombing Gaza “Back to the Stone-age” well before October 7th.
He is not sincere about discussions of hate and bigotry.
Schumer [shared a stage](https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/11/john-hagee-hitler-israel-rally-christian-zionist/) with a former segregationist supporter who said that Hitler was sent by God to help create Israel. The ADL and the State of Israel have been buddy-buddy with Elon Musk, who agreed with a white supremacist [theory about Jews](https://www.france24.com/en/technology/20231130-musk-says-he-regrets-controversial-post-but-lashes-out-over-fleeing-advertisers-blackmail).
It seems like the same people who define pro-Palestinian action as antisemitism are fine with explicit antisemitism as long as the people saying it support Israel.
As a Jew, I’ve never been called an antisemite, not even close. Since Oct 7th that has changed. Any suggestion that Israel is not a perfect victim is met with that accusation.
Standing against antisemitism is necessary, true. But the one primary force animating antisemitism in the world now is Israel, both for claiming to stand and speak for Jews worldwide instead of embracing an identity as a pluralistic democratic state, and in weaponizing the label to excuse its atrocious ethnic cleansing programs, settler pogroms, and apartheid policies.
So yes, I stand against antisemitism. And in doing so I must therefore also stand against Israel.
In the past I have voiced support for Palestinians. In the context of the messaging in favor of Palestinians widespread on reddit lately I am alienated by the misleading information.
I would not argue in favor of a culture that seeks to force compliance to a backwards religious culture
that oppresses natural ppl. I cannot support a culture that would harm ppl because they are women or
because they are gay, etc.
However, I can support the Palestinians culture in terms of food, design, self expression, folklore, etc.
These are all good things that should be protected.
But Hamas clearly has genocide as a goal. And there seems to be an element of subversion in the pro Palestinians protests that I cannot go along with.
I have absolutely seen an increase of anti semitism since October 7. Not anti Israel sentiment, not anti Zionism, anti semitism. Congress people using phrases linked to the extermination of Jews in the Middle East as well as promotion of age old antisemitic tropes.
“Schumer added that a double standard regarding Jews persists today, which has left them feeling alone. He said, for example, that on Oct. 7, Hamas “knowingly invited an immense civilian toll during this war” and questioned why criticism for civilian deaths falls “exclusively on Israel” when Hamas terrorists actively hide behind innocent Palestinians in Gaza”
Hamas is a fucking terrorist organization. Israel is a nation state and member of the United Nations, and has a representative government. Nobody is puzzled when a terrorist organization causes mass casualties cuz that is what terrorists do, they inflict mass casualties under the flag of ideology in the hope of reprisals that will accelerate recruitment and radicalization. What is not expected though, is Israel wholeheartedly exterminating civilians for two months with American made munitions while the majority of the world watches in either silence or jubilant complicity as another muslim population is decimated by atrocity. If saying that Israel shouldn’t engage in collective punishment is antisemitism, then war is peace and up is down. FOH
The opposite of all this fundamentalism is found in duality. Light itself is both a particle and a wave – can we agree that theocratic fascism is wrong no matter which religion practices it? I’m increasingly concerned that the issue is the rejection of human rights and equal protection under the law for all human beings – equally. Religious supremacy is a lethal as racial supremacy – and must be called out and dissolved. Use the language of racial and religious equality and we will finally evolve past this stupid practice of competitive genocide.
The Likud party, by its very nature, is very racist, very fascist, and violent as hell. Were they the oppressed and not the oppressor, we’d call them ethnoterrorists.
They’ve run the country for nearly its entire lifespan and people contrary to them have been assassinated.
Sorry Chuck, this isn’t gonna fly anymore in 2023.
Criticism of the State of Israel, the conditions Palestinian people are forced to live in, or the blatant one-sided media coverage is NOT anti-semitism.
ALSO: adding the historical context of the 60+ year long struggle between Palestine and Israel is NOT the same as condoning Hamas’ actions.
If you treat a whole population of people like animals, don’t be surprised when they are forced to bite. It’s not condoning the actions, it’s having a brain. You can’t keep people in desperate situations and be surprised when they act desperately.
The consequences being he might not receive [half a million dollars](https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.php?ind=q05&cycle=2022&recipdetail=S&mem=Y&sortorder=U) from pro-Israel PACS anymore.
I do find it remarkable (in a bad way) the degree to which it still exists even in ‘Western’ societies.
I condemn hammas, and anti-antisemitism, but also war crimes, now can we work on a ceasefire?
That line has played itself thin. I condemn a corrupt government and state, not their religious beliefs. They are exclusive of one another.
I condemn antisemitism. Now, end the Israeli apartheid, and end the war crimes and genocide. Give back the occupied land. Israel is a nation state, and it’s not wrong to be critical of power structures and symbols.
Being anti-genocide of Palestinians by Israel ≠ antisemitism. It has nothing to do with race or religion. It’s about the attempted erasure of a people.
Is it possible to be a Zionist, in the sense that I believe that Jews deserve self determination, AND criticize Israel as sponsor of terror and Apartheid state?
Funny nobody batted an eye when those clowns burning those tiki torches shouting they will not be replaced by Jews, but now with the issues in the Middle East everybody is anti semite all of a sudden.
Criticizing Israel is not the same as antisemitism, you dumb fuqs
Anti Zionism is not Anti semitism just like anti nazism isnt anti german, and FUCK you for trying to weaponize that for far right wing fascist assholes to use as a shield for their genocide and racist slaughter.
I’ll support the people not killing tens of thousands and letting babies die abandoned in bombed hospitals, thanks.
ITT: not a single Jew and 99% “ackshually anti Zionism isn’t antisemitism”
Did any of you listen to his 40 minute speech where he specifically says criticism of Israel’s government is not antisemitic? Or are we just going to pretend we did and drown out all his valid concerns by assuming what he said?
Its tricky waters when anti genocide and anti colonialism is labled as anti semitism. Israel needs to be called out for its crimes. Jews abroad should not be facing violence, regardless of their political views.
The most notorious NeoNazi of our time got a guided tour of Isreal by the Prime Minister, and their chief focus is bribing 2 Senate candidates to primary the singular 1 Palestinian American congresswoman with $20 million for opposing their current ethnic cleansing campaign, but sure antisemitism is the problem.
Boy, the conflation of antisemitism and antizionism proponents are working overtime. “Israel is killing thousands of women and children in Gaza”, yeah, but what about the Holocaust?
I mean sure absolutely!
As long as no one tries to conflate legit criticism of Israel, a country, and its government’s decisions, with antisemitism.
Antisemitism and Nazism should be unlawful.
good to know that if i don’t condenm hamas chuck is going to help the IDF bomb my house
Can I criticize Israel‘a decades long human rights violations against Palestinians without being labeled an antisemite or nah?
Is that a threat?
Every politician who only wants you to stop talking shit about one particular faith group or racial group, is not helping anyone at all.
In America, you either are protected or aren’t. We went to fucking war over this shit.
Don’t be anti-Semitic but also don’t be anti-Islam or anti-Atheism. Everyone gets protection. Bar none.
Conveniently also refuses to condemn the murder of 5000 children..
Fucking crocodile tears. GTFO.
Protesting the actions of a political entity like the government of the state of Israel is not antisemitism.
I condemn antisemitism antisemitism anytime I come across it. I also condemn Israel.
The level of stupidity humanity has decended to is unprecedented.