It’s a war dude! A country under attack isn’t going to be very democratic. The fuck that boxer think is going on?!
> But Klitschko believes the President’s Office sees mayors merely as an atavistic obstacle to the centralization of power.
> Despite being the mayor of Ukraine’s capital, Klitschko said he hasn’t talked to Zelensky since the full-scale invasion began.
Wait so the Klitschkos did all the damage control for Ukraine-German relations on their own without any coordination with Zelenskys office?
Turning? I mean it is more democratic than Russia, no denying that, but to this very day it’s still classified as hybrid regime. Not even flawed democracy. And war isn’t gonna improve the situation in either of those countries.
Wait a moment. Judging from what Klitschko says only and ignoring Ukrainie is at war with genocidal regime of ruzzia with ruzzian influence in ukr. politics and business before and during the war… Can’t wait what he say when military men will take over and start cleaning, cuz that’s what mamy politicians including Zelenskyi fears. His conflict with Zaluzhnyi and Syrski will have an outcome. Klitschko havent seen authoritarian yet. But military men have that beautiful and simple mindset about dismantling corruption and limiting influence of oligarchy if you need to worki fast with big changes.
Isn’t martial law by definition authoritarian?
The country is at war. This whole article smells of petty insider politics nonsense.
Changing leadership during times of war happens more often than you think. It’s not the end of the world if Zelensky is replaced and it’s not “pro Russian propaganda” if someone speaks out against him, ultimately there is only one people that can make that decision and it’s the Ukrainians themselves.
How the fukkk do you want to organise general elections during the war?
Too many punches to the head perhaps Kliczko?
The guy living in the year 2220 who couldn’t form a coherent sentence to save his own life? Yeah, I’m totally down for a lesson in democracy from him.
It’s interesting seeing this battle for the presidency happening, first Poroshenko and now him. Let’s hope Vakarchuk makes a comeback as well.
I didn’t vote for Zelenskyy. Mostly because he had a very populist position while I was looking for free market reforms. But I am not sure that elections during full-scale invasion and martial law are a good thing. Almost 50% of the population is either internally displaced or refugees. Martial law allows authorities to limit freedom of movement and freedom of the press. So even if elections are 100% fair, it is almost guaranteed that the majority would vote for the current supreme commander. In my mind, doing elections now is no different from just gifting Zelenskyy 4 more years.
As for now, I see that parties and the Zelenskyy team are constantly tracking public opinion and their ratings. Hence, the recent efforts to update conscription policies. They are also very sensitive to any corruption cases uncovered by the media. I also see that the opposition (e.g. both Klitschko and Poroshenko in the same opposition party) is actively working on improving their ratings and has no issues criticising the current president and calling him authoritarian. By the way, the opposition also constantly votes for prolonging martial law because they are aware of current public opinion. The moment it shifts from Zelenskyy, you will see it reflected in votes.
Of course, it also depends on how long martial law will go. I think in a year or so, I and many other people will favour elections even under martial law.
That’s the least of their problems. At least, IMO, zelensky is a great leader. I hope he and Ukraine comes out on top.
War is inherently Authoritarian. You escalate collective security rules at the sacrifice of individual freedom for the “Greater good”. If it happened anywhere in Europe or America, it will be the same. We are simply lucky we are never placed in a position to choose security or Individual freedom.
How many Russian alt accounts are in this chat?
Sounds like he is jealous and wants it for himself.
Countries at war are necessarily more authoritarian.
Klitschko full of corruption guy, he’s really disappointed me, like mayor
No shit, they’re in a state of literal war. That’s kinda part of the package
Anyone care to explain their supposed Hybrid regime?
Ukraine’s democracy score has continually declined since the west’s beloved Euromaiden. Ukraine is considered a hybrid regime and has been so since 2011. Even the American State Department’s propaganda outlet, Freedom House, ranks Ukraine as only being partly free.
What a surprise. A country at war becomes a dictatoriship…
Who would have thought….
If you follow Ukraine history, this isn’t surprising. Ukraine will truly be better country, once whole political system get’s thrown out, including Zalensky. Ukraine in EU and NATO, and with fresh start, away from Russia and Soviet mindset that still runs in their blood.
Ι guess being at war doesnt count!
Ukraine is in the middle of a war that will likely sever large portions of its territory. If Zelensky was a tyrant, this mayor would have been gone a long time ago. He’d have more than enough political cover to do so.
Expecting a full and free democracy when the country is literally under siege? Dream on. Authoritarian is the only way to go when thousands get killed in war.
Not having the elections is understandable given the circumstances. That said, Klitschko having the ability to openly criticize the decision and foster a healthy debate about it is actually a good sign for democracy in Ukraine.
Klitschko is a corrupted moron, just saying…
Turning? That ship sailed months ago. A country that keeps delaying elections, consolidating media into state propaganda outlets is going full authoritarian
Criminal billionaire Ihor Kolomoisky’s pawn, ruler of the most corrut country in Europe, is extremely corrupt and uses his authority in spite of existing institutions, more news at 20:00.
as a Ukrainian, it is very pleasant to watch the propaganda that is written here and everywhere… the blocking of the border by right-wing fools, the boxer talks about totalitarianism (by the way, does anyone know how people feel about it)?, although what is the difference, he is a boxer), offensive along the entire front line, propaganda in Western countries about the destruction of Ukraine and all this together, a coincidence? Well, Zaluzhnyi quarreled with Zelensky blah blah blah (English shit, you got it)
Why is he whining about corruption and dictatorship in Ukraine just now?
Klitchko has been part of this rotten system for years, but started itching only now, after a real threat that Zelensky is going to replace him with some other guy who is more loyal.
If such debate exists, it means Ukraine is far from becoming authoritarian.
Klitschko, the mayor who failed to ensure Kyiv bomb shelters were set up properly, has the audacity to criticise Zelensky? Think he took too many hits to the head
Jesus fucking Christ. Why you people create problems in there. Your people need unity not division. Deal with one problem then Move to next.
It feels like Russia is playing them like fiddle
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It’s a war dude! A country under attack isn’t going to be very democratic. The fuck that boxer think is going on?!
> But Klitschko believes the President’s Office sees mayors merely as an atavistic obstacle to the centralization of power.
> Despite being the mayor of Ukraine’s capital, Klitschko said he hasn’t talked to Zelensky since the full-scale invasion began.
Wait so the Klitschkos did all the damage control for Ukraine-German relations on their own without any coordination with Zelenskys office?
Turning? I mean it is more democratic than Russia, no denying that, but to this very day it’s still classified as hybrid regime. Not even flawed democracy. And war isn’t gonna improve the situation in either of those countries.
Wait a moment. Judging from what Klitschko says only and ignoring Ukrainie is at war with genocidal regime of ruzzia with ruzzian influence in ukr. politics and business before and during the war… Can’t wait what he say when military men will take over and start cleaning, cuz that’s what mamy politicians including Zelenskyi fears. His conflict with Zaluzhnyi and Syrski will have an outcome. Klitschko havent seen authoritarian yet. But military men have that beautiful and simple mindset about dismantling corruption and limiting influence of oligarchy if you need to worki fast with big changes.
Isn’t martial law by definition authoritarian?
The country is at war. This whole article smells of petty insider politics nonsense.
Changing leadership during times of war happens more often than you think. It’s not the end of the world if Zelensky is replaced and it’s not “pro Russian propaganda” if someone speaks out against him, ultimately there is only one people that can make that decision and it’s the Ukrainians themselves.
How the fukkk do you want to organise general elections during the war?
Too many punches to the head perhaps Kliczko?
The guy living in the year 2220 who couldn’t form a coherent sentence to save his own life? Yeah, I’m totally down for a lesson in democracy from him.
It’s interesting seeing this battle for the presidency happening, first Poroshenko and now him. Let’s hope Vakarchuk makes a comeback as well.
I didn’t vote for Zelenskyy. Mostly because he had a very populist position while I was looking for free market reforms. But I am not sure that elections during full-scale invasion and martial law are a good thing. Almost 50% of the population is either internally displaced or refugees. Martial law allows authorities to limit freedom of movement and freedom of the press. So even if elections are 100% fair, it is almost guaranteed that the majority would vote for the current supreme commander. In my mind, doing elections now is no different from just gifting Zelenskyy 4 more years.
As for now, I see that parties and the Zelenskyy team are constantly tracking public opinion and their ratings. Hence, the recent efforts to update conscription policies. They are also very sensitive to any corruption cases uncovered by the media. I also see that the opposition (e.g. both Klitschko and Poroshenko in the same opposition party) is actively working on improving their ratings and has no issues criticising the current president and calling him authoritarian. By the way, the opposition also constantly votes for prolonging martial law because they are aware of current public opinion. The moment it shifts from Zelenskyy, you will see it reflected in votes.
Of course, it also depends on how long martial law will go. I think in a year or so, I and many other people will favour elections even under martial law.
That’s the least of their problems. At least, IMO, zelensky is a great leader. I hope he and Ukraine comes out on top.
War is inherently Authoritarian. You escalate collective security rules at the sacrifice of individual freedom for the “Greater good”. If it happened anywhere in Europe or America, it will be the same. We are simply lucky we are never placed in a position to choose security or Individual freedom.
How many Russian alt accounts are in this chat?
Sounds like he is jealous and wants it for himself.
Countries at war are necessarily more authoritarian.
Klitschko full of corruption guy, he’s really disappointed me, like mayor
No shit, they’re in a state of literal war. That’s kinda part of the package
Anyone care to explain their supposed Hybrid regime?
Ukraine’s democracy score has continually declined since the west’s beloved Euromaiden. Ukraine is considered a hybrid regime and has been so since 2011. Even the American State Department’s propaganda outlet, Freedom House, ranks Ukraine as only being partly free.
What a surprise. A country at war becomes a dictatoriship…
Who would have thought….
If you follow Ukraine history, this isn’t surprising. Ukraine will truly be better country, once whole political system get’s thrown out, including Zalensky. Ukraine in EU and NATO, and with fresh start, away from Russia and Soviet mindset that still runs in their blood.
Ι guess being at war doesnt count!
Ukraine is in the middle of a war that will likely sever large portions of its territory. If Zelensky was a tyrant, this mayor would have been gone a long time ago. He’d have more than enough political cover to do so.
Expecting a full and free democracy when the country is literally under siege? Dream on. Authoritarian is the only way to go when thousands get killed in war.
Not having the elections is understandable given the circumstances. That said, Klitschko having the ability to openly criticize the decision and foster a healthy debate about it is actually a good sign for democracy in Ukraine.
Klitschko is a corrupted moron, just saying…
Turning? That ship sailed months ago. A country that keeps delaying elections, consolidating media into state propaganda outlets is going full authoritarian
Criminal billionaire Ihor Kolomoisky’s pawn, ruler of the most corrut country in Europe, is extremely corrupt and uses his authority in spite of existing institutions, more news at 20:00.
as a Ukrainian, it is very pleasant to watch the propaganda that is written here and everywhere… the blocking of the border by right-wing fools, the boxer talks about totalitarianism (by the way, does anyone know how people feel about it)?, although what is the difference, he is a boxer), offensive along the entire front line, propaganda in Western countries about the destruction of Ukraine and all this together, a coincidence? Well, Zaluzhnyi quarreled with Zelensky blah blah blah (English shit, you got it)
Why is he whining about corruption and dictatorship in Ukraine just now?
Klitchko has been part of this rotten system for years, but started itching only now, after a real threat that Zelensky is going to replace him with some other guy who is more loyal.
If such debate exists, it means Ukraine is far from becoming authoritarian.
Klitschko, the mayor who failed to ensure Kyiv bomb shelters were set up properly, has the audacity to criticise Zelensky? Think he took too many hits to the head
Jesus fucking Christ. Why you people create problems in there. Your people need unity not division. Deal with one problem then Move to next.
It feels like Russia is playing them like fiddle