Family visa salary is going up to £38700 from £18700, I have my partner from Brazil and we were about to go through the process of settling in together after two years of waiting, I suppose I’m fucked?
~~So NHS staff’s salary will obviously rise to £38.700 along with this change right? Given that that’s where a lot of these migrants are working and there’s not enough home-grown workers to fill those roles.~~
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Edit: been pointed out that health and social care visas will be exempt from the threshold.
Someone wanting to move to the UK as a nurse is eligible for Skilled Worker visa, currently. This change would effectively ban the UK from bringing new nurses to the UK as we have traditionally done from SE Asia for some time, if my understanding is correct?
I would prefer the focus to be on the *skill* of the person rather than the money they earn. It’s entirely possible for someone to have a skill that’s in demand but doesn’t hit the new threshold. Big shortage of teachers at the moment, for example.
If the Government wants to curb legal migration a bit, they could take skills off the list that have an oversaturation at the moment. But that would probably be a little too much like hard work for them.
> Health and social care visas will be exempt from the new higher threshold, in order to meet NHS staffing needs
Ahh there it is, already handing out the exceptions.
Cleverly says he hopes this cuts migration by 300k net so that’s still 400k+ coming in. Every year. This is the new official floor. You will never own a home, you will never see a GP, your children will never have a decent education. You are just worker #183727 in economic zone 4 (formerly known as Lancashire)
Just goes to show how shit wages are in this county. That figure would be pretty typical in the US for a graduate job.
In any case, for too long this country has under invested in worker productivity and used masses of cheap foreign labour to suppress wages, kneecapping worker bargaining power on wages.
Not to mention the effects on the housing market and school and GP places and transport capacity as a result of importing millions of new people without building the infrastructure to accommodate them.
Hopefully employers start offering better pay. If these immigrants are so valuable and necessary, employers will gladly pay the extra they need to allow them to stay, or invest in training of British workers to fill the gap.
It’s deliveroo and Evri running modern day slave rackets that’s a bigger issue
That’s still a tiny amount for a “skilled” worker – it’s about £2500 after tax.
The average UK rent is £1300 a month now.
That leaves £1200 for everything else – just about doable but an incredibly tight existence.
It’s really not what the originally stated intention of these visas was.
Seems pretty reasonable. You need to earn 42K€ here in Finland to get a skilled residence permit, or 60K€ to get an EU Blue Card.
Babe, wake up, there’s another immigration debate on Reddit
Sooo… train more pay more and get more British people doing British jobs…sounds like an absolute pipedream! Do people genuinely believe someone who has come from nothing to the UK will have the same work ethic and attitude to work as someone born in the UK with all the opportunities available to them from birth? People rarely talk about the other reasons why employers go for immigrants than the British beyond lower wages and its a conversation that needs to be had. Productivity needs to go up and a poorly thought out immigration policy will not change a thing and we have already seen how that ship has sailed for the conservatives.
Clearly the solution is to get rid of the skilled workers rather than the ones here not working, commuting crimes or taking from the benefits system. This government is insane
Holly shit, my wife just got her naturalisation application approved today and then this news landed. We’ve been working on it for months but still.
Maybe controversial but this is a good thing, in line with Australia. Part of the reason the UK is so fucked at the moment is because low skilled migration has overwhelmed our infrastructure. GPs, Hospitals, Housing, Schools – all haven’t been invested in enough to keep up with the pace of population growth and migration.
Seems good. Will prevent our wages getting even shitter with foreign labour undercutting it.
I despise the Tories, they caused Brexit and allowed millions of non EU people in since Brexit and I’ll still vote against them but this measures are a triage.
Rent in my area has gone up by 50% and it’s driven mainly by students/workers being recruited from India, they pay whatever the rotten estates agents ask because they have no choice and sometimes they pay a year’s rent upfront. No local person can pay £14k upfront for a converted office studio.
The numbers have to come down.
I’ve lived and worked in the UK since 2017, been on a spouse visa since 2019, and we are literally applying for IDLR in March. We make just enough to cover the current threshold, and there’s no fucking way to increase it to 38k, even if I dropped out of my final year of my degree tomorrow. Absolutely shitting my pants.
My girlfriend has been here for 3 years, studied as an international students and now is working with a Skilled Worker VISA above the original threshold but well below the new one so this is pretty devastating
Ah, so target all the legit people going by the book who’ve been here for some time by moving the goal posts… then kick them out and point at the numbers you kicked out as a success story? /s
Can’t someone explain how there can be such a salary threshold on spouse visas? Isn’t there a literal human right against that?
While I can see why the minimum was raised this seems too high. We will lose out on a lot of very skilled graduates who to be able to stay would need to get to 38k in 2 years from graduating. With current wages that’s pretty much impossible in a lot of sectors especially if you’re outside London.
Should be higher still and should have happened the better part of a decade ago
Needs to be 50k the same as the higher tax bracket. Clearly we have no shortage of people wanting to come here so they should absolutely pay for it. I’d even introduce even higher rates of tax for immigrants to ensure they are paying their own way. They also should be barred from buying property. That privilege should be for UK nationals only.
I gotta check my post-doc salary. I am gonna l guess fewer international researchers are gonna be coming to the UK
Seems like an own goal that they didnt ban students bringing family over. As a GP I have plenty of nigerian “students” who have brought their family over and had a number of kids and end up staying
ELI5 why setting one blanket rate makes sense. Won’t this be way over the odds for some jobs, while vastly undercutting others?
”He says the rules – if applied last year – would have reduced migration by 300,000 a year.” Then why werent they applied last year bellend?
What will happen is we’ll get around 500k net immigration which is astronomically high and over twice what it was in the 00’s and the party that promised they would reduce it to ten of thousands will claim that to be a victory.
In my industry, that’s more than what is earned by a fair amount of qualified architects, both inside London and outside. I wonder if that’ll improve salaries somewhat for the more junior staff (less than 5 YOE post qualification)
Completely reasonable apart from it also being for spousal visas. Spousal visas aren’t the issue, it’s this massive flow of migration from people on student visas and their dependents. I work in a warehouse and most of our new workers are newly arrived Africans, not sure how they even managed to get here, pays good but it’s not skilled work.
Honestly it should be higher…that way we only get high skilled immigrants…,£39k isn’t high at all for a skilled worker TBH.
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Family visa salary is going up to £38700 from £18700, I have my partner from Brazil and we were about to go through the process of settling in together after two years of waiting, I suppose I’m fucked?
~~So NHS staff’s salary will obviously rise to £38.700 along with this change right? Given that that’s where a lot of these migrants are working and there’s not enough home-grown workers to fill those roles.~~
​
Edit: been pointed out that health and social care visas will be exempt from the threshold.
Someone wanting to move to the UK as a nurse is eligible for Skilled Worker visa, currently. This change would effectively ban the UK from bringing new nurses to the UK as we have traditionally done from SE Asia for some time, if my understanding is correct?
I would prefer the focus to be on the *skill* of the person rather than the money they earn. It’s entirely possible for someone to have a skill that’s in demand but doesn’t hit the new threshold. Big shortage of teachers at the moment, for example.
If the Government wants to curb legal migration a bit, they could take skills off the list that have an oversaturation at the moment. But that would probably be a little too much like hard work for them.
> Health and social care visas will be exempt from the new higher threshold, in order to meet NHS staffing needs
Ahh there it is, already handing out the exceptions.
Cleverly says he hopes this cuts migration by 300k net so that’s still 400k+ coming in. Every year. This is the new official floor. You will never own a home, you will never see a GP, your children will never have a decent education. You are just worker #183727 in economic zone 4 (formerly known as Lancashire)
Just goes to show how shit wages are in this county. That figure would be pretty typical in the US for a graduate job.
In any case, for too long this country has under invested in worker productivity and used masses of cheap foreign labour to suppress wages, kneecapping worker bargaining power on wages.
Not to mention the effects on the housing market and school and GP places and transport capacity as a result of importing millions of new people without building the infrastructure to accommodate them.
Hopefully employers start offering better pay. If these immigrants are so valuable and necessary, employers will gladly pay the extra they need to allow them to stay, or invest in training of British workers to fill the gap.
This also includes spouse visa – it’s going to tear families apart. Just look at this [thread](https://old.reddit.com/r/ukvisa/comments/18aob8g/thoughts_on_the_announcement/) over at /r/ukvisa
It’s deliveroo and Evri running modern day slave rackets that’s a bigger issue
That’s still a tiny amount for a “skilled” worker – it’s about £2500 after tax.
The average UK rent is £1300 a month now.
That leaves £1200 for everything else – just about doable but an incredibly tight existence.
It’s really not what the originally stated intention of these visas was.
Seems pretty reasonable. You need to earn 42K€ here in Finland to get a skilled residence permit, or 60K€ to get an EU Blue Card.
Babe, wake up, there’s another immigration debate on Reddit
Sooo… train more pay more and get more British people doing British jobs…sounds like an absolute pipedream! Do people genuinely believe someone who has come from nothing to the UK will have the same work ethic and attitude to work as someone born in the UK with all the opportunities available to them from birth? People rarely talk about the other reasons why employers go for immigrants than the British beyond lower wages and its a conversation that needs to be had. Productivity needs to go up and a poorly thought out immigration policy will not change a thing and we have already seen how that ship has sailed for the conservatives.
Clearly the solution is to get rid of the skilled workers rather than the ones here not working, commuting crimes or taking from the benefits system. This government is insane
Holly shit, my wife just got her naturalisation application approved today and then this news landed. We’ve been working on it for months but still.
Maybe controversial but this is a good thing, in line with Australia. Part of the reason the UK is so fucked at the moment is because low skilled migration has overwhelmed our infrastructure. GPs, Hospitals, Housing, Schools – all haven’t been invested in enough to keep up with the pace of population growth and migration.
Seems good. Will prevent our wages getting even shitter with foreign labour undercutting it.
I despise the Tories, they caused Brexit and allowed millions of non EU people in since Brexit and I’ll still vote against them but this measures are a triage.
Rent in my area has gone up by 50% and it’s driven mainly by students/workers being recruited from India, they pay whatever the rotten estates agents ask because they have no choice and sometimes they pay a year’s rent upfront. No local person can pay £14k upfront for a converted office studio.
The numbers have to come down.
I’ve lived and worked in the UK since 2017, been on a spouse visa since 2019, and we are literally applying for IDLR in March. We make just enough to cover the current threshold, and there’s no fucking way to increase it to 38k, even if I dropped out of my final year of my degree tomorrow. Absolutely shitting my pants.
My girlfriend has been here for 3 years, studied as an international students and now is working with a Skilled Worker VISA above the original threshold but well below the new one so this is pretty devastating
Ah, so target all the legit people going by the book who’ve been here for some time by moving the goal posts… then kick them out and point at the numbers you kicked out as a success story? /s
Can’t someone explain how there can be such a salary threshold on spouse visas? Isn’t there a literal human right against that?
While I can see why the minimum was raised this seems too high. We will lose out on a lot of very skilled graduates who to be able to stay would need to get to 38k in 2 years from graduating. With current wages that’s pretty much impossible in a lot of sectors especially if you’re outside London.
Should be higher still and should have happened the better part of a decade ago
Needs to be 50k the same as the higher tax bracket. Clearly we have no shortage of people wanting to come here so they should absolutely pay for it. I’d even introduce even higher rates of tax for immigrants to ensure they are paying their own way. They also should be barred from buying property. That privilege should be for UK nationals only.
I gotta check my post-doc salary. I am gonna l guess fewer international researchers are gonna be coming to the UK
Seems like an own goal that they didnt ban students bringing family over. As a GP I have plenty of nigerian “students” who have brought their family over and had a number of kids and end up staying
ELI5 why setting one blanket rate makes sense. Won’t this be way over the odds for some jobs, while vastly undercutting others?
”He says the rules – if applied last year – would have reduced migration by 300,000 a year.” Then why werent they applied last year bellend?
What will happen is we’ll get around 500k net immigration which is astronomically high and over twice what it was in the 00’s and the party that promised they would reduce it to ten of thousands will claim that to be a victory.
In my industry, that’s more than what is earned by a fair amount of qualified architects, both inside London and outside. I wonder if that’ll improve salaries somewhat for the more junior staff (less than 5 YOE post qualification)
Completely reasonable apart from it also being for spousal visas. Spousal visas aren’t the issue, it’s this massive flow of migration from people on student visas and their dependents. I work in a warehouse and most of our new workers are newly arrived Africans, not sure how they even managed to get here, pays good but it’s not skilled work.
Honestly it should be higher…that way we only get high skilled immigrants…,£39k isn’t high at all for a skilled worker TBH.