atomic weapons aren’t for use. it is to make sure there is peace.
The world has changed in the last 25 – 30 years? Who’d have thought it!
This is also a flaw in the nato club. In the old days, friendly nations came to rescue, now if you aren’t in the club you can get your country been taken over, people raped and slaughtered,..
Knew this would come back to bite us, same for the North Korean nuclear treaty.
A lot of things have changed in the last few decades.
It seems that US, UK are still the friends. And the former big Brother Russia has become a murderous villain.
It is almost as if Putin feeds on the souls of the innocents. The more blood he spills the longer he lives and stays in power. Scary stuff really.
It is in the interest of entire Europe to help Ukraine withstand this. Any other country can be next. Russia is the scourge, the plague.
The only guarantee that the US gave, was we would not attack Ukraine. We have more than lived up to that.
What should concern the US today is that Ukraine still has the capacity, albeit latent, to produce nuclear weapons within a relatively short period of time.
If the US abandons Ukraine, you can be sure they will defend themselves in other ways, ways which will most definitely not be to the West’s benefit.
The flip side to this is that Ukraine didn’t really have the money to maintain a huge strategic bomber fleet and tons of aging nukes, nobody in the former Soviet Union had a lot of cash after it broke up. They were going to have to at least get rid of most of it, so they might as well use it for leverage to get a security deal. Which turned out to be not worth a lot with Russia.
Life lessons…
Never trust russian politicians
I hate when this comes up, sure if the exact same things happened in time, but if Ukraine still had nukes we don’t no right now it would be controlled be a democratic government, maybe in that timeline there’s still a strongman in charge
So Ukraine had two options:
Attack the nuclear sites that were guarded by moscow-loyal soldiers to gain access to nuclear weapons that were functionally useless without the codes which were also in moscow, to gain access to weapons russia knew the locations of and Ukraine would have to disassemble and change the launch codes, then pay millions every year maintaining these nuclear weapons (and bomber and missile fleets)
OR
Give them up voluntarily, gain some international recognition and appreciation and a “promise” that russia wouldnt do anything.
You can easily see which option is MUCH more preferable
This post is basically just spreading misinformation.
To paraphrase a line from the Outlaw Josey Wales – Trust Russia ” that don’t mean doodly squat”!
Wait, Russia, UK and US provided security assurance from who? 🤔 from Russia which was part of the signatories ? 🤯 is this a joke?
Didn’t Ukraine have zero ability to use or maintain those nukes?
Since when has the USA fought to the end of the war?
You could argue that we did it in world war II, because we were attacked.
USA has not completed a war since world war II.
As an American I have to say the worst part of our country is our terrible politicians. They have no loyalty to anyone or anything.
Ukraine wasn’t politely forced.
It was in its interest not to take care of expensive weapons systems, which it couldn’t maintain without Russia anyway.
And there was genuine belief that Russia could become normal and genuine fear those weapons could end up anywhere.
Saw a video some weeks ago where someone explained it was the smartest thing to do at that time because Ukraine wasn’t able to maintain the nukes in a usable state anyway. It was an issue with the radioactive part of the warhead. Don’t ask me for details. I don’t know anymore.
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Trusting Russians. Lol.
atomic weapons aren’t for use. it is to make sure there is peace.
The world has changed in the last 25 – 30 years? Who’d have thought it!
This is also a flaw in the nato club. In the old days, friendly nations came to rescue, now if you aren’t in the club you can get your country been taken over, people raped and slaughtered,..
Knew this would come back to bite us, same for the North Korean nuclear treaty.
A lot of things have changed in the last few decades.
It seems that US, UK are still the friends. And the former big Brother Russia has become a murderous villain.
It is almost as if Putin feeds on the souls of the innocents. The more blood he spills the longer he lives and stays in power. Scary stuff really.
It is in the interest of entire Europe to help Ukraine withstand this. Any other country can be next. Russia is the scourge, the plague.
The only guarantee that the US gave, was we would not attack Ukraine. We have more than lived up to that.
What should concern the US today is that Ukraine still has the capacity, albeit latent, to produce nuclear weapons within a relatively short period of time.
If the US abandons Ukraine, you can be sure they will defend themselves in other ways, ways which will most definitely not be to the West’s benefit.
The flip side to this is that Ukraine didn’t really have the money to maintain a huge strategic bomber fleet and tons of aging nukes, nobody in the former Soviet Union had a lot of cash after it broke up. They were going to have to at least get rid of most of it, so they might as well use it for leverage to get a security deal. Which turned out to be not worth a lot with Russia.
Life lessons…
Never trust russian politicians
I hate when this comes up, sure if the exact same things happened in time, but if Ukraine still had nukes we don’t no right now it would be controlled be a democratic government, maybe in that timeline there’s still a strongman in charge
So Ukraine had two options:
Attack the nuclear sites that were guarded by moscow-loyal soldiers to gain access to nuclear weapons that were functionally useless without the codes which were also in moscow, to gain access to weapons russia knew the locations of and Ukraine would have to disassemble and change the launch codes, then pay millions every year maintaining these nuclear weapons (and bomber and missile fleets)
OR
Give them up voluntarily, gain some international recognition and appreciation and a “promise” that russia wouldnt do anything.
You can easily see which option is MUCH more preferable
This post is basically just spreading misinformation.
To paraphrase a line from the Outlaw Josey Wales – Trust Russia ” that don’t mean doodly squat”!
Wait, Russia, UK and US provided security assurance from who? 🤔 from Russia which was part of the signatories ? 🤯 is this a joke?
Didn’t Ukraine have zero ability to use or maintain those nukes?
Since when has the USA fought to the end of the war?
You could argue that we did it in world war II, because we were attacked.
USA has not completed a war since world war II.
As an American I have to say the worst part of our country is our terrible politicians. They have no loyalty to anyone or anything.
Ukraine wasn’t politely forced.
It was in its interest not to take care of expensive weapons systems, which it couldn’t maintain without Russia anyway.
And there was genuine belief that Russia could become normal and genuine fear those weapons could end up anywhere.
Saw a video some weeks ago where someone explained it was the smartest thing to do at that time because Ukraine wasn’t able to maintain the nukes in a usable state anyway. It was an issue with the radioactive part of the warhead. Don’t ask me for details. I don’t know anymore.