It’s funny that nobody considers him a Ukrainian anymore except Ukraine itself.
Sikorsky was a member of a Russian nationalist club in the US until the end of his days, and his father explicitly stated that he considered Kiev a Russian city.
Well, this one’s tricky. He was born in Kyiv in 1889. Now, at the time, it was part of the russian empire. Because of course it was.
Now, if we take into account that they were taken over by the russian empire and we go back one form of state, prior to being absorbed by the empire, it appears to have been the [Cossack Hetmanate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cossack_Hetmanate). Was that Ukraine at the time? That’s not for me to decide.
However, there’s also the fact that the [Ukrainian Nationalist Movement](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_nationalism) and in particular for what is present-day Ukraine had already started for more than 200 years prior to his birth. So the sentiment was there and people saw themselves as Ukrainians already.
I’m not trying to reach a conclusion here but rather to make a point that European history is complicated and that it’s hard to pinpoint the exact moment when most of the modern-day countries were established as we’ve been under various occupations, forms of government and geographic divisions throughout the ages.
Ukrainian wiki has conflicting info on him, he’s cited as having Polish-Ukrainian origin in the article itself (видатний авіаконструктор польсько-українського походження) but having “Ukrainian” as a nationality in the sidebar thingy on the right. Which is…complicated, as other commenters suggested already.
finally a map of this kind with more than 2 colors
So looking at this he is Russian-Polish with American citizenship and only thing that connects him to Ukraine is that place where he was born today is called Ukraine but at the time of his birth was Russian empire.
Father was Russian nationalist.
-When questioned regarding his roots, he would answer: “My family is of Russian origin. My grandfather and other ancestors from the time of Peter the Great were Russian Orthodox priests.”-from English wiki.
So this is same as with Croats and Nikola Tesla.
So the only right answer would be he is ~~Serbian~~ Serb and his real name is Игор Ивановић Сакорски.
Occitan wikipedia says he’s American of Russian origin
Didn’t know that we now have only one language per country in Europe.
Ukrainian Wikipedia actually says that he’s of Polish-Ukrainian origin
Who writes this?
I thought this map says something like “according to Igor, Poland is of Russian-American origin” lol
why do vatican and andorra have their own colours? Don’t they just speak catalan in andorra? is the vatican representing latin?
The map is wrong for Czechia. The Czech Wikipedia page does not explicitly mention his nationality in the text. Only in the sidebar it lists Russian, American, and Ukrainian as his nationalities.
Igor Sikorsky in a letter, in English, dated August 30, 1933 to Vasily Galich, wrote:
“My family, originating from a village in the Kiev region, where my grandfather and great-grandfather were priests, is of purely Ukrainian origin. However, we consider ourselves Russian because it was part of Russia and the Ukrainian people were integrated into Russia in the same way that Texas or Louisiana is an integrated part of the United States”
We should make an international law (pass by UNGA or something) that all currently living famous people must publicly state what to write on their Wikipedia page before they die to prevent more situations like this in the future.
I think this is a hard question. I think he’s identity is общерусский народ(all russian).
Germany’s usual stance of “we don’t comment on nationality/race or if we comment then we include of them” is pretty interesting
If even Russia thinks he’s a Russian-American, then i think Czech Republic should reconsider their assessment.
These maps are always so bad that they’re essentially meaningless.
he’s American. who cares where he or Brin was born, a genius could born in Somali.
I think this map is wrong… according to the Irish definition, he would have been either Ukrainian (as he was born in Kyiv) or Russian (as it was denoted as part of the russian empire)… I don’t think many Irish people would call him X-American because he was an adult by the time he went there…
Amazed to learn there is an Andorran WP, an Austrian WP, a Swiss WP, a Syrian WP, an Iranian WP…
Also u have to know that Kiev was a city with the greatest monarchical sympathies and therefore imperial government even wanted to make its the capital of Russian Empire. And I guess much more than 50% of russian nationalists were from Malorossia.
Estonia doesnt exclude
On Latvian wiki it says that he was of Ukrainian origins, an aircraft designer and pilot in the Russian empire and later an inventor and philosopher in the USA.
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It’s funny that nobody considers him a Ukrainian anymore except Ukraine itself.
Sikorsky was a member of a Russian nationalist club in the US until the end of his days, and his father explicitly stated that he considered Kiev a Russian city.
Well, this one’s tricky. He was born in Kyiv in 1889. Now, at the time, it was part of the russian empire. Because of course it was.
Now, if we take into account that they were taken over by the russian empire and we go back one form of state, prior to being absorbed by the empire, it appears to have been the [Cossack Hetmanate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cossack_Hetmanate). Was that Ukraine at the time? That’s not for me to decide.
However, there’s also the fact that the [Ukrainian Nationalist Movement](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_nationalism) and in particular for what is present-day Ukraine had already started for more than 200 years prior to his birth. So the sentiment was there and people saw themselves as Ukrainians already.
I’m not trying to reach a conclusion here but rather to make a point that European history is complicated and that it’s hard to pinpoint the exact moment when most of the modern-day countries were established as we’ve been under various occupations, forms of government and geographic divisions throughout the ages.
Ukrainian wiki has conflicting info on him, he’s cited as having Polish-Ukrainian origin in the article itself (видатний авіаконструктор польсько-українського походження) but having “Ukrainian” as a nationality in the sidebar thingy on the right. Which is…complicated, as other commenters suggested already.
finally a map of this kind with more than 2 colors
also, hungayrian wiki says [murican of polish (!) origin](https://hu.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Sikorsky), unironically not enough colors
So looking at this he is Russian-Polish with American citizenship and only thing that connects him to Ukraine is that place where he was born today is called Ukraine but at the time of his birth was Russian empire.
Father was Russian nationalist.
-When questioned regarding his roots, he would answer: “My family is of Russian origin. My grandfather and other ancestors from the time of Peter the Great were Russian Orthodox priests.”-from English wiki.
So this is same as with Croats and Nikola Tesla.
So the only right answer would be he is ~~Serbian~~ Serb and his real name is Игор Ивановић Сакорски.
Occitan wikipedia says he’s American of Russian origin
Didn’t know that we now have only one language per country in Europe.
Ukrainian Wikipedia actually says that he’s of Polish-Ukrainian origin
Who writes this?
I thought this map says something like “according to Igor, Poland is of Russian-American origin” lol
why do vatican and andorra have their own colours? Don’t they just speak catalan in andorra? is the vatican representing latin?
The map is wrong for Czechia. The Czech Wikipedia page does not explicitly mention his nationality in the text. Only in the sidebar it lists Russian, American, and Ukrainian as his nationalities.
Igor Sikorsky in a letter, in English, dated August 30, 1933 to Vasily Galich, wrote:
“My family, originating from a village in the Kiev region, where my grandfather and great-grandfather were priests, is of purely Ukrainian origin. However, we consider ourselves Russian because it was part of Russia and the Ukrainian people were integrated into Russia in the same way that Texas or Louisiana is an integrated part of the United States”
We should make an international law (pass by UNGA or something) that all currently living famous people must publicly state what to write on their Wikipedia page before they die to prevent more situations like this in the future.
I think this is a hard question. I think he’s identity is общерусский народ(all russian).
Germany’s usual stance of “we don’t comment on nationality/race or if we comment then we include of them” is pretty interesting
If even Russia thinks he’s a Russian-American, then i think Czech Republic should reconsider their assessment.
These maps are always so bad that they’re essentially meaningless.
he’s American. who cares where he or Brin was born, a genius could born in Somali.
I think this map is wrong… according to the Irish definition, he would have been either Ukrainian (as he was born in Kyiv) or Russian (as it was denoted as part of the russian empire)… I don’t think many Irish people would call him X-American because he was an adult by the time he went there…
Amazed to learn there is an Andorran WP, an Austrian WP, a Swiss WP, a Syrian WP, an Iranian WP…
Igor Sikorsky was a member of Kiev Club of Russian Nationalists ( https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Киевский_клуб_русских_националистов ), as is father. So…
Also u have to know that Kiev was a city with the greatest monarchical sympathies and therefore imperial government even wanted to make its the capital of Russian Empire. And I guess much more than 50% of russian nationalists were from Malorossia.
Estonia doesnt exclude
On Latvian wiki it says that he was of Ukrainian origins, an aircraft designer and pilot in the Russian empire and later an inventor and philosopher in the USA.