**Germany’s centre-right parties have called for a reversal of the country’s anti-nuclear policy.**
Leading members of the CDU/CSU alliance and the liberal FDP want to restart decommissioned reactors and build new ones, the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung reports.
The German government decided to shut down its civil nuclear industry after the 2011 Fukushima Diiachi disaster. The last three of its 17 reactors stopped generating in April.
>Leading members of the CDU/CSU alliance and the liberal FDP want to restart decommissioned reactors and build new ones, the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung reports.
Decrepit, opportunistic dipshits. All of them.
They’re the reason we’re all in this mess, German or not.
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CDU stopped nuclear energy, now they demand it to be restarted. What a lol party.
Do they even know that they will have to buy nuclear fossils in Russia?
Like USA does.
>Leading members of the CDU/CSU alliance and the liberal FDP ~~want to restart decommissioned reactors~~ give proof that they are incompetent fools that haven’t got a clue what they are talking about
Not that it would have made any difference but they could have asked their nuclear experts;
>All former operators of nuclear power plants have ruled out a return to the market.
Just political noise.
Nobody is even discussing cornerstones of a new nuclear power law.
Can somebody please explain to me what happens with the nuclear waste?
I remember a huge debate in Germany about this, no good solution was found.
What’s different this time? (not mentioned in the article at all, I’m not surprised)
Bavaria was the Bundesland who wanted to store the nuclear waste in North Rhine-Westphalia. Clean electricity and nothing to do with the nuclear waste. Typical Bavarian(CSU) politics.
Ah yes. Let’s first pay to decommission them earlier and then invest a lot to reopen them again. Until the next CDU government changes it’s mind again. They are the fiscal conservatives by the way.
To a surprise of no one. Pathetic jokes.
The more nuclear power plants in operation — the more experienced the engineers become, and more safe they get. Germans can contribute a lot to the improvement in nuclear power. If society finally accepts the very small risk of catastrophe for the sake of cleaner energy, it’s good news.
Is this common sense bleeding through?
It comes from the same parties that ordered to shut them down. What a hilarious flick
As they should. Shutting down nuclear power and then having to resort to coal to get by was an utterly braindead decision.
Ahahahahahaha
The Russians aren’t lining their pockets anymore…such obviously corrupt pricks in that country
Where does the fission material come from? Lets make us more dependent on dictatorships … again … what could go wrong.
These people know nothing and refuse to learn anything …
I am speechless. Better late than never I guess.
It will take 20 years though. It’s a great idea if they take that into account. In the meantime renewables might have taken over the market completely
It’s important not only to correct the obvious mistake, but also to understand how such a crazy idea not only came to someone’s mind, but was implemented as important government policy.
Not news. Several parties in the German parliament have had members who have been rambling about nuclear energy since the election 2021.
However, the only party which has an official pro nuclear policy is the AfD, but then the AfD is a total basket case, filled with white supremacists, conspiracy theorists and an official “There is no climate change” and “there are no international treaties” policy.
The CDU and FDP have been wise enough not to adopt an official pro nuclear line as a party. And there will not be a majority in Germany for the forseeable future.
Apart from that, this neverending nuclear debate is a silly distraction and at best leads to divestment from renewables. Just days ago, a publication investigated the possible role that nuclear could play in reducing global emissions to zero. The bottom line: Nuclear is irrelevant in any scenario. The only thing that matters is how fast we get renewables up and running. [https://www.umweltbundesamt.de/publikationen/what-is-the-role-of-nuclear-energy-in-achieving](https://www.umweltbundesamt.de/publikationen/what-is-the-role-of-nuclear-energy-in-achieving)
They are like idiot with lot of money (inherited or won in lottery). They start spending it in insane amount for crap (green energy, shutting down nuclear power, imigrants – we can make it…). Now they are slowly getting to realize they have not much money left…
Sure, let’s make ourselves dependent on Russian uranium. What could go wrong?
Hahahahaha
Here’s my rather weird (in that I never hear anybody else espouse it) view on nuclear:
* Objectively, it’s a good idea. Insert all the talking points of the pro-nuke group here, you know em. Build enough and it’ll be cheap, it’s the perfect steady base load companion to the ups and downs of solar and wind, the dangerous are manageable and given that folks are really sounding the doom and gloom alarm on the environment it’s fucking insane that its *also* impossible to talk about trying to manage that risk. You’ve heard these arguments explained in far better detail than this oversimplified summary.
* However, the citizenry is what it is and **just cannot fucking handle this responsibility**. As exhibit A, let me introduce [Kalkar’s SNR-300 breeder reactor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNR-300). Where the electorate of Germany decided that waffling about nuclear was the right idea, so much so that it was okay to **torch 4 billion dollars to do so**. And that’s unadjusted 1985 dollars! Yes, extenuating circumstances perhaps (Chernobyl), but it still doesn’t make a lick of economic sense.
Hence, nuclear needs to solve a bunch of technical challenges but also a much bigger electoral/political challenge: It doesn’t matter whether you’re right or wrong, but, *can you convince a significant majority of the EU citizenry to fully support a nuclear based EU, over a period of many many governments, because nuclear takes far longer than ~4 years to build up, and how in the blazes do you guarantee that no ‘oh nevermind torch the 4 billion we do not want it anymore’ can ever happen again?*
I don’t think that’s solvable.
It happens. The dutch have no fucking idea how to politically talk about the Groningen gas field anymore. The germans have the same thing but with nuclear. USAians go mental when anybody tries to talk about even the tiniest smidge of reworking the process of obtaining guns. Every country has their hot potato.
You can’t solve hot potatos. You just have to accept it’s an allergy and find ways around it.
In that sense then, the problem is *way more difficult* than it sounds, because it’s not *just* a technical challenge. With that added ‘load’ on how difficult actually getting nuclear off the ground is, I posit a different tough problem that sounds, in contrast, slightly easier:
Find a way that the EU can more or less store power; sufficient to cover about a weeks worth of the sum total of EU’s power needs. Once you have that, all you need is some tactical adjustments to avoid the worst of NIMBYism to ensure enough places can build solar and wind and voila. Cheap, ecologically highly sustainable energy. We can’t store 1 minute today, let alone 10,000 minutes. Nothing but extremely nebulous exotic ideas about battery tech is going to get as anywhere near that. It’s a really, really hard problem and we have no idea if it is even possible.
But, to me anyway, that is less challenging that figuring out how the fuck to get the EU electorate to commit for 2 decades to EU-wide nuclear. In retrospect, that 4 billion worth of kalkarbucks should have gone into some research after all. I think the same conclusion can be validly drawn today. Yes, if the world wasn’t an insane fucking place, SNR300 would have been turned on and we can debate whether it was worth 4 billion (probably). But it sure as shit wasn’t worth building it and then abandoning it.
It’s the karate kid: Start the reactor, stop the reactor, start the reactor, …
Finally some good news coming from greenwashed German politicians.
I predict in 3 years no one will talk about nuclear ever again.
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**Germany’s centre-right parties have called for a reversal of the country’s anti-nuclear policy.**
Leading members of the CDU/CSU alliance and the liberal FDP want to restart decommissioned reactors and build new ones, the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung reports.
The German government decided to shut down its civil nuclear industry after the 2011 Fukushima Diiachi disaster. The last three of its 17 reactors stopped generating in April.
>Leading members of the CDU/CSU alliance and the liberal FDP want to restart decommissioned reactors and build new ones, the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung reports.
Decrepit, opportunistic dipshits. All of them.
They’re the reason we’re all in this mess, German or not.
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CDU stopped nuclear energy, now they demand it to be restarted. What a lol party.
Do they even know that they will have to buy nuclear fossils in Russia?
Like USA does.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/14/climate/enriched-uranium-nuclear-russia-ohio.html
>Leading members of the CDU/CSU alliance and the liberal FDP ~~want to restart decommissioned reactors~~ give proof that they are incompetent fools that haven’t got a clue what they are talking about
Not that it would have made any difference but they could have asked their nuclear experts;
>All former operators of nuclear power plants have ruled out a return to the market.
Just political noise.
Nobody is even discussing cornerstones of a new nuclear power law.
Can somebody please explain to me what happens with the nuclear waste?
I remember a huge debate in Germany about this, no good solution was found.
What’s different this time? (not mentioned in the article at all, I’m not surprised)
Bavaria was the Bundesland who wanted to store the nuclear waste in North Rhine-Westphalia. Clean electricity and nothing to do with the nuclear waste. Typical Bavarian(CSU) politics.
Ah yes. Let’s first pay to decommission them earlier and then invest a lot to reopen them again. Until the next CDU government changes it’s mind again. They are the fiscal conservatives by the way.
To a surprise of no one. Pathetic jokes.
The more nuclear power plants in operation — the more experienced the engineers become, and more safe they get. Germans can contribute a lot to the improvement in nuclear power. If society finally accepts the very small risk of catastrophe for the sake of cleaner energy, it’s good news.
Is this common sense bleeding through?
It comes from the same parties that ordered to shut them down. What a hilarious flick
As they should. Shutting down nuclear power and then having to resort to coal to get by was an utterly braindead decision.
Ahahahahahaha
The Russians aren’t lining their pockets anymore…such obviously corrupt pricks in that country
Where does the fission material come from? Lets make us more dependent on dictatorships … again … what could go wrong.
These people know nothing and refuse to learn anything …
I am speechless. Better late than never I guess.
It will take 20 years though. It’s a great idea if they take that into account. In the meantime renewables might have taken over the market completely
It’s important not only to correct the obvious mistake, but also to understand how such a crazy idea not only came to someone’s mind, but was implemented as important government policy.
Not news. Several parties in the German parliament have had members who have been rambling about nuclear energy since the election 2021.
However, the only party which has an official pro nuclear policy is the AfD, but then the AfD is a total basket case, filled with white supremacists, conspiracy theorists and an official “There is no climate change” and “there are no international treaties” policy.
The CDU and FDP have been wise enough not to adopt an official pro nuclear line as a party. And there will not be a majority in Germany for the forseeable future.
Apart from that, this neverending nuclear debate is a silly distraction and at best leads to divestment from renewables. Just days ago, a publication investigated the possible role that nuclear could play in reducing global emissions to zero. The bottom line: Nuclear is irrelevant in any scenario. The only thing that matters is how fast we get renewables up and running. [https://www.umweltbundesamt.de/publikationen/what-is-the-role-of-nuclear-energy-in-achieving](https://www.umweltbundesamt.de/publikationen/what-is-the-role-of-nuclear-energy-in-achieving)
They are like idiot with lot of money (inherited or won in lottery). They start spending it in insane amount for crap (green energy, shutting down nuclear power, imigrants – we can make it…). Now they are slowly getting to realize they have not much money left…
Sure, let’s make ourselves dependent on Russian uranium. What could go wrong?
Hahahahaha
Here’s my rather weird (in that I never hear anybody else espouse it) view on nuclear:
* Objectively, it’s a good idea. Insert all the talking points of the pro-nuke group here, you know em. Build enough and it’ll be cheap, it’s the perfect steady base load companion to the ups and downs of solar and wind, the dangerous are manageable and given that folks are really sounding the doom and gloom alarm on the environment it’s fucking insane that its *also* impossible to talk about trying to manage that risk. You’ve heard these arguments explained in far better detail than this oversimplified summary.
* However, the citizenry is what it is and **just cannot fucking handle this responsibility**. As exhibit A, let me introduce [Kalkar’s SNR-300 breeder reactor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNR-300). Where the electorate of Germany decided that waffling about nuclear was the right idea, so much so that it was okay to **torch 4 billion dollars to do so**. And that’s unadjusted 1985 dollars! Yes, extenuating circumstances perhaps (Chernobyl), but it still doesn’t make a lick of economic sense.
Hence, nuclear needs to solve a bunch of technical challenges but also a much bigger electoral/political challenge: It doesn’t matter whether you’re right or wrong, but, *can you convince a significant majority of the EU citizenry to fully support a nuclear based EU, over a period of many many governments, because nuclear takes far longer than ~4 years to build up, and how in the blazes do you guarantee that no ‘oh nevermind torch the 4 billion we do not want it anymore’ can ever happen again?*
I don’t think that’s solvable.
It happens. The dutch have no fucking idea how to politically talk about the Groningen gas field anymore. The germans have the same thing but with nuclear. USAians go mental when anybody tries to talk about even the tiniest smidge of reworking the process of obtaining guns. Every country has their hot potato.
You can’t solve hot potatos. You just have to accept it’s an allergy and find ways around it.
In that sense then, the problem is *way more difficult* than it sounds, because it’s not *just* a technical challenge. With that added ‘load’ on how difficult actually getting nuclear off the ground is, I posit a different tough problem that sounds, in contrast, slightly easier:
Find a way that the EU can more or less store power; sufficient to cover about a weeks worth of the sum total of EU’s power needs. Once you have that, all you need is some tactical adjustments to avoid the worst of NIMBYism to ensure enough places can build solar and wind and voila. Cheap, ecologically highly sustainable energy. We can’t store 1 minute today, let alone 10,000 minutes. Nothing but extremely nebulous exotic ideas about battery tech is going to get as anywhere near that. It’s a really, really hard problem and we have no idea if it is even possible.
But, to me anyway, that is less challenging that figuring out how the fuck to get the EU electorate to commit for 2 decades to EU-wide nuclear. In retrospect, that 4 billion worth of kalkarbucks should have gone into some research after all. I think the same conclusion can be validly drawn today. Yes, if the world wasn’t an insane fucking place, SNR300 would have been turned on and we can debate whether it was worth 4 billion (probably). But it sure as shit wasn’t worth building it and then abandoning it.
It’s the karate kid: Start the reactor, stop the reactor, start the reactor, …
Finally some good news coming from greenwashed German politicians.
I predict in 3 years no one will talk about nuclear ever again.
Remindme! 3years