I don’t know much but it shouldn’t be hard to denounce a hypothetical call for genocide against Jewish people.
What’s so funny about this is that it was the GOP that was pissed that pieces of shit like Nick Fuentes met opposition when they wanted to speak at colleges.
It’s all ‘free speech for me, not for thee’ theater.
Nothing good comes of a congressional hearing where the only point is political posturing. Magill has resigned and Stefanik has gotten her victory lap, but what has actually been accomplished? We doom ourselves with our rising inability to listen, *really* listen, to those whose opinions conflict with our own and to speak with sensitivity, nuance, and compassion in difficult conversations. Gotcha questions of the type Stefanik employed have taken over our public discourse, and we’re all the worse off for it.
edited to expand my point
If ‘talking about genocide’ were truly disallowed on college campuses, we’d have to ban a lot of Republicans and Christians from their favorite soapbox—the extermination of LGBT people.
Cool, would be nice if the same pressure was used against other sources of antisemitism like social media and people like Musk. That’s where most of it is really spread.
They were set up. They fell for it. Obviously none of them had any training. All need a good agency. Well… they did. Too late now.
Good. If you can’t answer that fucking softball of a question correctly, you don’t deserve to be in higher education.
All the while Trump can call for elimination of his political opponents, liberally use elements of fascist and Nazi rhetoric and toy with dictatorship as a potential path for him and nobody gives a shit
She would still have a job if she could have found a way to say “we made a mistake and we will be more even handed in enforcement policy going forward.”
But no, basically her evasions amount to, “yep, and that’s they way we like it.” She just repeated the verbal equivalent of a brick wall that signaled an affirmative position on the status quo.
A total moral ailure on the national stage deserves consequences. Campuses need to get their houses in order. The title IX lawsuits are coming and you can’t just openly admit guilt on TV and expect to remain a going concern. Shut down the eliminationist rhetoric or go down in flames. It’s pretty simple.
Why let a foreign country control our universities. It’s getting ridiculous.
This became abundantly clear 48 hours ago. The other two will soon follow. Then we have to ask ourselves why the United States is incapable of recognizing and taking action against hate speech, unless massive pressure is brought to bear.
Students and faculty of every persuasion have the right and expectation of a safe environment. You can’t pursue or teach higher learning if someone is telling you your identify is basically criminal, and deserves to be destroyed. That is what this pro-Hamas delusion is perpetuating.
And it has to stop.
If 100 University executives have to get punted before that comes into focus, so be it.
There is no context that makes calls to genocide ok. None.
Where’s that smirk now?
She was in a tough position – as she said later, they follow federal laws regarding freedom of speech, and this speech may not always be nice. But we do have that right, as long as it remains spoken opinions and does not turn into actions. I suppose all of us may have words and opinions that may be unsavory to others.
Too many in here trying to make excuses for flubbing the softest of softballs
Scary.
On top of that one poll (yes 200 people but still) showing 20% of 30 and under aren’t sure about the Holocaust? We need a real talk…
It was a gotcha question and she fell for it.
You’d think someone in her position would know when they’re being played.
If Republicans were truly concerned about this, then they would prohibit antisemitism and Nazism.
How can you not answer such a basic question?
“Does calling for the genocide of Jews constitute bullying or harrassment?”
The answer should be an immediate and resounding, **YES**. That’s it! Not hard.
The amount of mental gymnastics going on here to rationalize her lack of a clear answer is scary.
All she had to say was:
“Our [student code of conduct states](https://catalog.upenn.edu/pennbook/code-of-student-conduct/): ‘To refrain from conduct towards other students that infringes upon the Rights of Student Citizenship. **The University condemns hate speech, epithets, and racial, ethnic, sexual and religious slurs.** However, the content of student speech or expression is not by itself a basis for disciplinary action. Student speech may be subject to discipline when it violates applicable laws or University regulations or policies.'”
Literally all she had to do is be vaguely familiar with their own student code of conduct (which has multiple points that could be brought up; There are several “No Threats” clauses which advocating genocide would fall under)
Edited for accuracy: “She was canned like a tuna after furious wealthy alums threatened to pull the plug on their endowments.”
I urge everyone to read Maureen Dowd’s column in the NYT on this topic. An excellent op-ed, which compares their refusal to condemn antisemitism to the Catholic Church’s denial of, then silent complicity in, & protection of, child-abuser priests.
Sorry if I missed it. Was there actually hordes of people calling for genocide of the Jews or just hypothetical?
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McCarthyism in full swing and the libs are lapping it up
Was there actually a rally on UPenn campus actually calling for genocide of Israel?
I’ve tried to Google it, but I just get articles about the resignation.
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I don’t know much but it shouldn’t be hard to denounce a hypothetical call for genocide against Jewish people.
What’s so funny about this is that it was the GOP that was pissed that pieces of shit like Nick Fuentes met opposition when they wanted to speak at colleges.
It’s all ‘free speech for me, not for thee’ theater.
Nothing good comes of a congressional hearing where the only point is political posturing. Magill has resigned and Stefanik has gotten her victory lap, but what has actually been accomplished? We doom ourselves with our rising inability to listen, *really* listen, to those whose opinions conflict with our own and to speak with sensitivity, nuance, and compassion in difficult conversations. Gotcha questions of the type Stefanik employed have taken over our public discourse, and we’re all the worse off for it.
edited to expand my point
If ‘talking about genocide’ were truly disallowed on college campuses, we’d have to ban a lot of Republicans and Christians from their favorite soapbox—the extermination of LGBT people.
Cool, would be nice if the same pressure was used against other sources of antisemitism like social media and people like Musk. That’s where most of it is really spread.
Here’s the transcript for anyone that wants to read it for themselves instead of relying on bad faith summaries: [https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/university-presidents-testify-before-house-on-anti-semitism-and-violent-protests-transcript](https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/university-presidents-testify-before-house-on-anti-semitism-and-violent-protests-transcript)
They were set up. They fell for it. Obviously none of them had any training. All need a good agency. Well… they did. Too late now.
Good. If you can’t answer that fucking softball of a question correctly, you don’t deserve to be in higher education.
All the while Trump can call for elimination of his political opponents, liberally use elements of fascist and Nazi rhetoric and toy with dictatorship as a potential path for him and nobody gives a shit
She would still have a job if she could have found a way to say “we made a mistake and we will be more even handed in enforcement policy going forward.”
But no, basically her evasions amount to, “yep, and that’s they way we like it.” She just repeated the verbal equivalent of a brick wall that signaled an affirmative position on the status quo.
A total moral ailure on the national stage deserves consequences. Campuses need to get their houses in order. The title IX lawsuits are coming and you can’t just openly admit guilt on TV and expect to remain a going concern. Shut down the eliminationist rhetoric or go down in flames. It’s pretty simple.
Why let a foreign country control our universities. It’s getting ridiculous.
This became abundantly clear 48 hours ago. The other two will soon follow. Then we have to ask ourselves why the United States is incapable of recognizing and taking action against hate speech, unless massive pressure is brought to bear.
Students and faculty of every persuasion have the right and expectation of a safe environment. You can’t pursue or teach higher learning if someone is telling you your identify is basically criminal, and deserves to be destroyed. That is what this pro-Hamas delusion is perpetuating.
And it has to stop.
If 100 University executives have to get punted before that comes into focus, so be it.
There is no context that makes calls to genocide ok. None.
Where’s that smirk now?
She was in a tough position – as she said later, they follow federal laws regarding freedom of speech, and this speech may not always be nice. But we do have that right, as long as it remains spoken opinions and does not turn into actions. I suppose all of us may have words and opinions that may be unsavory to others.
Too many in here trying to make excuses for flubbing the softest of softballs
Scary.
On top of that one poll (yes 200 people but still) showing 20% of 30 and under aren’t sure about the Holocaust? We need a real talk…
It was a gotcha question and she fell for it.
You’d think someone in her position would know when they’re being played.
If Republicans were truly concerned about this, then they would prohibit antisemitism and Nazism.
How can you not answer such a basic question?
“Does calling for the genocide of Jews constitute bullying or harrassment?”
The answer should be an immediate and resounding, **YES**. That’s it! Not hard.
The amount of mental gymnastics going on here to rationalize her lack of a clear answer is scary.
All she had to say was:
“Our [student code of conduct states](https://catalog.upenn.edu/pennbook/code-of-student-conduct/): ‘To refrain from conduct towards other students that infringes upon the Rights of Student Citizenship. **The University condemns hate speech, epithets, and racial, ethnic, sexual and religious slurs.** However, the content of student speech or expression is not by itself a basis for disciplinary action. Student speech may be subject to discipline when it violates applicable laws or University regulations or policies.'”
Literally all she had to do is be vaguely familiar with their own student code of conduct (which has multiple points that could be brought up; There are several “No Threats” clauses which advocating genocide would fall under)
Edited for accuracy: “She was canned like a tuna after furious wealthy alums threatened to pull the plug on their endowments.”
I urge everyone to read Maureen Dowd’s column in the NYT on this topic. An excellent op-ed, which compares their refusal to condemn antisemitism to the Catholic Church’s denial of, then silent complicity in, & protection of, child-abuser priests.
Sorry if I missed it. Was there actually hordes of people calling for genocide of the Jews or just hypothetical?
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McCarthyism in full swing and the libs are lapping it up
Was there actually a rally on UPenn campus actually calling for genocide of Israel?
I’ve tried to Google it, but I just get articles about the resignation.