“I am one of the few socialists left in Irish politics” – Bertie Ahern.
Makes sense. We’re always getting preached at by them
Would that be linked to findings that the majority of college educated people would also be left leaning?
People can say that they are whatever they want to, put their actions are who they actually are.
I saw another user comment on a different sub and they sum this report up well:
>Liberals cosplaying as the left. Journalists are to the left what lads with signs saying “free hugs” are to anime conventions, needless, creepy and often misrepresent the people they claim to be apart of.
Journalism has always largely been dominated by liberals and that’s never been an issue really, the only issue now in the modern day is that it feels like it seeps into coverage that should be unbiased.
majority of irish people are left leaning
FTFY
Education makes you liberal.
laughable nonsense
Does that include “citizen journalists,” too?
In other news, water is wet.
Maybe 25 to 30 years ago there was some plurality of opinion in Irish media, but none exists today.
The majority of Irish editorial boards however
>However, 71% of journalists surveyed said being a “detached observer” was very/extremely important to their work.
This ends up as functionally favouring the status quo and not being left leaning, imho.
Duh, they’re educated. You can’t send people to university where they’re exposed to hundreds of people outside their usual bubble and not expect a majority of them to be tolerant of others.
Who do they vote for though?
no surprise there. The irish times, which for a long time hasn’t been worth paying for, is basicaly a copy of the Guardian.
The Indo still has some centrist stuff in it; but it’s a very tabloidy and a bit low-end.
The examiner and RTE are straight up left wing.
in other news The majority of umbrellas in Ireland get wet when they go outside
Really?!? I am shocked!!
It’s a general issue. Wanting to write, being good at it and wanting to publish truth and the rest of the motivation for journalism, it comes from certain sets of values.
The same goes for other jobs with people, low general pay and high benefit to society. It takes some conviction to accept those conditions.
Wow, I am truly shooketh. That is groundbreaking research.
“Reality has a well-known liberal bias.” – Stephen Colbert, 2006 White House Correspondents’ Dinner
“However, 71% of journalists surveyed said being a “detached observer” was very/extremely important to their work.”
I find it hard to believe that they think they are bing objective in their work.
reality has a liberal bias
reality has a liberal bias
You also have to remember that Irish politics does not come from a left-right dichotomy like the majority of our European counterparts or the US for that mater either.
We didn’t have a big industrial base, so there wasn’t really a significant organised labour vs capital thing, other than a brief blip during the Dublin Lockouts and so on, but that was not really very much reflective of the politics of the whole country and the centre tended to absorb a lot of the centre left economic points of view, which is probably why Labour never really got much of a foothold.
Irish politics instead is basically born out of the independence movement and a civil war that had nothing to do with labour vs capital, but rather ideology about independence and the terms of the Anglo Irish Treaty. Other than that, they were in broad agreement on most other issues – nationalism, culture, importance of democracy, economics etc. They just had a huge bust up.
You’d also find both large parties were quite socially conservative and became increasingly deferential to the Catholic Church, peaking in the 1940s and 50s. That’s been largely shaken off, but it took time.
Then if you add the political system and voting system, it requires consensus finding and coalition building. So, basically if you’re the ideological shouting type who can’t make friends and build networks, you’ll be forever in opposition on the fringes. To be successful in Irish politics requires pragmatism and a willingness to work with people who you might not necessarily completely agree with.
As a result we’ve an unusually centrist type of politics and it’s quite hard for people unfamiliar with it to get their heads around that.
The centre tends to have drifted – it’s more socially progressive at the moment, but also can be quite economically neoliberal in many respects.
To try and explain Irish politics in a classic left-right dichotomy is a bit pointless though. It just doesn’t work like that.
I see people further down the thread trying to put FF into the Christian Democratic Party context. They’re not really, and neither is FG. Most of the CD parties are quite firmly centre right and tend to be stuffy and conservative on social issues, neither of contemporary FF or FG is particularly stuffy on any of those – they’ve moved with the times and gone with where the votes are, and that’s not outside Mass on a Sunday anymore.
>Compared to the general population, the report suggests left-leaning views are “over-represented among journalists”.
No it doesn’t – it suggests that journalists are more likely to think of themselves as left-leaning. Some people who identify as left-leaning are centrists or in fact right-wing and from what I’ve seen of Irish journalists they can be particularly deluded in this regard.
Truth has a left leaning bias
They probably judge left/right partly by the standards of the UK/US/Europe. By that metric I’d say at least 61% of the Irish population are left-leaning.
Left leaning ? Mostly neo liberals when it comes down to economics which is what matters
I mean… yeah? Kinda interesting but that’s not exactly groundbreaking news.
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I wonder if that includes citizen journalists. /s
“I am one of the few socialists left in Irish politics” – Bertie Ahern.
Makes sense. We’re always getting preached at by them
Would that be linked to findings that the majority of college educated people would also be left leaning?
People can say that they are whatever they want to, put their actions are who they actually are.
I saw another user comment on a different sub and they sum this report up well:
>Liberals cosplaying as the left. Journalists are to the left what lads with signs saying “free hugs” are to anime conventions, needless, creepy and often misrepresent the people they claim to be apart of.
Journalism has always largely been dominated by liberals and that’s never been an issue really, the only issue now in the modern day is that it feels like it seeps into coverage that should be unbiased.
majority of irish people are left leaning
FTFY
Education makes you liberal.
laughable nonsense
Does that include “citizen journalists,” too?
In other news, water is wet.
Maybe 25 to 30 years ago there was some plurality of opinion in Irish media, but none exists today.
The majority of Irish editorial boards however
>However, 71% of journalists surveyed said being a “detached observer” was very/extremely important to their work.
This ends up as functionally favouring the status quo and not being left leaning, imho.
Duh, they’re educated. You can’t send people to university where they’re exposed to hundreds of people outside their usual bubble and not expect a majority of them to be tolerant of others.
Who do they vote for though?
no surprise there. The irish times, which for a long time hasn’t been worth paying for, is basicaly a copy of the Guardian.
The Indo still has some centrist stuff in it; but it’s a very tabloidy and a bit low-end.
The examiner and RTE are straight up left wing.
in other news The majority of umbrellas in Ireland get wet when they go outside
Really?!? I am shocked!!
It’s a general issue. Wanting to write, being good at it and wanting to publish truth and the rest of the motivation for journalism, it comes from certain sets of values.
The same goes for other jobs with people, low general pay and high benefit to society. It takes some conviction to accept those conditions.
Wow, I am truly shooketh. That is groundbreaking research.
“Reality has a well-known liberal bias.” – Stephen Colbert, 2006 White House Correspondents’ Dinner
“However, 71% of journalists surveyed said being a “detached observer” was very/extremely important to their work.”
I find it hard to believe that they think they are bing objective in their work.
reality has a liberal bias
reality has a liberal bias
You also have to remember that Irish politics does not come from a left-right dichotomy like the majority of our European counterparts or the US for that mater either.
We didn’t have a big industrial base, so there wasn’t really a significant organised labour vs capital thing, other than a brief blip during the Dublin Lockouts and so on, but that was not really very much reflective of the politics of the whole country and the centre tended to absorb a lot of the centre left economic points of view, which is probably why Labour never really got much of a foothold.
Irish politics instead is basically born out of the independence movement and a civil war that had nothing to do with labour vs capital, but rather ideology about independence and the terms of the Anglo Irish Treaty. Other than that, they were in broad agreement on most other issues – nationalism, culture, importance of democracy, economics etc. They just had a huge bust up.
You’d also find both large parties were quite socially conservative and became increasingly deferential to the Catholic Church, peaking in the 1940s and 50s. That’s been largely shaken off, but it took time.
Then if you add the political system and voting system, it requires consensus finding and coalition building. So, basically if you’re the ideological shouting type who can’t make friends and build networks, you’ll be forever in opposition on the fringes. To be successful in Irish politics requires pragmatism and a willingness to work with people who you might not necessarily completely agree with.
As a result we’ve an unusually centrist type of politics and it’s quite hard for people unfamiliar with it to get their heads around that.
The centre tends to have drifted – it’s more socially progressive at the moment, but also can be quite economically neoliberal in many respects.
To try and explain Irish politics in a classic left-right dichotomy is a bit pointless though. It just doesn’t work like that.
I see people further down the thread trying to put FF into the Christian Democratic Party context. They’re not really, and neither is FG. Most of the CD parties are quite firmly centre right and tend to be stuffy and conservative on social issues, neither of contemporary FF or FG is particularly stuffy on any of those – they’ve moved with the times and gone with where the votes are, and that’s not outside Mass on a Sunday anymore.
>Compared to the general population, the report suggests left-leaning views are “over-represented among journalists”.
No it doesn’t – it suggests that journalists are more likely to think of themselves as left-leaning. Some people who identify as left-leaning are centrists or in fact right-wing and from what I’ve seen of Irish journalists they can be particularly deluded in this regard.
Truth has a left leaning bias
They probably judge left/right partly by the standards of the UK/US/Europe. By that metric I’d say at least 61% of the Irish population are left-leaning.
Left leaning ? Mostly neo liberals when it comes down to economics which is what matters
I mean… yeah? Kinda interesting but that’s not exactly groundbreaking news.