Well, but those 4% are not achieved by better ratio of renewables, rather than by total nominal drop of generated volume due to fossil reduction, which in the end is supplied by imports from other countries.
It’s not despite. Less nuclear blocking lanes equals more freedom for freedom energy
Good Job! It’s only getting better from now on!
44% fossil is still a lot more than some other countries. it’s good it’s dropping but yesterday was already too late
Still the biggest coal usage in, total numbers, in all of Europe.
First of all. 2023 is not over. You can’t make definite conclusions.
Second: 2022 was a weird year due to low nuclear power production in France. They only produced 276 TWh which was the lowest in 30 years. Germany filed part of that gap, and they filed it with coal.
So the comparison doesn’t hold well. At least not with the conclusion that nuclear phase out didn’t increase coal power. Remember: last winter 22/23 Germany was still producing nuclear power. It was phased out in April. This is year and early 24 will be the first German non nuclear power winter. Plus, summer on 2022 was unusually sunny, creating more solar power than normal.
The gap in nuclear power from France was mostly in the summer so comparing december 22 and december 23 would be more interesting.
And imagine the drop without phasing out nuclear
Renewables’ production increased only by 1% from 242.5 TWh to 245.2 TWh. The reason why the share of fossil fuel is lower is that less energy was produced. With nuclear, it could have been much better.
The point has never been “without nuclear nothing can be achieved”, it’s “we’re already too fucking late to not do everything we can to phase out as fast as possible (which means nuke AND renewables)”
Obviously closing down the nuclear plants made this even more difficult, but it’s fantastic to see Germany succeeding on clean energy nonetheless! If Germany can show that this model is successful, it is something that countries all over the world can copy. All who care about avoiding the worst consequences of climate change should be pointing to this as a wonderful example of what new technologies can achieve.
In 2022 491,8 TWh produced and Germany was an exporter. In 2023 417,4 TWh produced and importer…
TLDR: Germany reduced its electricity production by 15%
I’m not quite sure what the point of the OP is…
Renewables went up ~2.5TWh and the total energy production/consumption went down 74,7TWh.
So I’m not quite sure what correlation we’re supposed to see here… Is it that Renewable ate up Nuclear? No because Nuclear went down WAY more than Renewable went up. Is it that Renewables account for a larger portion of the total amount? I mean sure… Renewables went up from 49.3% to 58.7% but is that something to point out when the energy usage went down 30 times more than the Renewable production increased…
So I’m guessing we’re supposed to say “Yay, for some reason or another Germany used less electricity 2023 than 2022. Why? NO CLUE!”
Who’s to say they didnt buy evey single TW they didnt produce 2023 from france and it’s nuclear powerstations?
* enabled by friendly neighboring countries filling up the intermittency gaps with their variable production
Great for Germany to go in the right direction. [There’s still a long way to go though](https://app.electricitymaps.com/map). Hopefully Poland follows and phases out its coal.
Let’s craft legislation so that EU countries cannot regress: a huge fine if their CO2 emissions grow.
As expected by everyone but nuclear fetishists. Massive investments in renewables made it possible to avoid r/Europe’s narrative, that nuclear phase-out will lead to tremendous increase in fossile fuels.
Nuclear already considered sustainable and zero-carbon. With recent breakthroughs in effective capture of uranium from seawater and closed fuel cycle applications it might become finally considered renewable soon. But I guess that wouldn’t matter to Germany, too much damage already has been done by promoting radiophobia for decades by many organisations there.
Thank you for putting images too. A lot of germans just add some statistics showing the increase of renewables in the mix.
What they don’t show is this image about production that shows a little dirty trick. Germany reduced it’s production of electricity. That’s the big miracle of increase percentage of renewables even though on some months the nominal production actually dropped from 2022.
How does Germany manage to do that and avoid blackouts? Well, it simply imports from France, Norway and Denmark at peak demand putting pressure on others to produce and pressure on the prices. So energy from nuclear, hydro and wind and is set to be a net importer by the end of the year for the first time I think from the reunification.
So much for no more nuclear energy bullshit, when your grid relies on it and more countries like Poland are set to build new reactors.
It’s still fucking stupid.
And Nordic workers pay for it.
I mean they used a lot less electricity too, wonder hoe many of that covered the disappearance of the nuclear.
Regardless though, It’s still great news and using less electricity in general is better also.
What is the point here. 4% is nothing and could just as well mean that the wind was significantly more favorable 2023 than 2022.
Had Germany kept running their productive, safe and secure nuclear plants you would have seen a drop in fossil fuels much more dramatic than 4%.
We do not have time to worry about nuclear. Society is already critically affected by climate change and we need to do everything, everything we can to prevent further damage.
But using nuclear energy Germany could achieve even more.
Right now, 18/12/2023 at 21:28, Germany is emitting 376 gCO2/kWh, by far not the worst they’ve done. France is at 79, one of its worse results
Yay incremental progress instead of actual progress? Not like there is an emergency or anything…
Numbers thanks to electricity imports from neighbour’s
This chart doesn’t seem to break down imports. Am I right?
With this increasements, fossile will be mostly phased out in a few years.
Isn’t this missing imports from outside the country ?
It’s 24% drop. From 216TWh to 165TWh.
So it’s about the same as Poland despite 2x bigger population and 6x bigger economy. Actually Poland is propably much worse becouse natural gas emit much less CO2 (however there are reasonable doubs about how much CH5 leaks into atmosphere, so it could be much worse than coal), and in Poland we burn more coal.
If you look at the UK and Germany at the turn of the century the two countries produced / had the same ratio of coal in their energy mix. The UK has since phased out coal, Germany is still above 30% 23 years later.
Progress from criminal levels still leaves Germany at criminal levels: you are generating totally unnecessary levels of green house gases and fine particles, the latter killing people in the thousands every year. One of your coal plants is among the world’s top ten green house gas emitters in the world.
And as you pointed out this is being achieved due to the criminal decision to phase out perfectly functioning, carbon-free, fine particle-free nuclear plants.
That decision ranks among the stupidest and most nefarious by a Western leader since the invasion of Iraq in 2003. Please don’t add insult to injury by bragging about yearly improvements, especially in a year when Germany imported copious amounts of nuclear powered electricity.
It seems the manufacturing sector got a real hit in Germany.
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Source: https://energy-charts.info/charts/energy_pie/chart.htm?l=en&c=DE&interval=year&year=2023
Well, but those 4% are not achieved by better ratio of renewables, rather than by total nominal drop of generated volume due to fossil reduction, which in the end is supplied by imports from other countries.
It’s not despite. Less nuclear blocking lanes equals more freedom for freedom energy
Good Job! It’s only getting better from now on!
44% fossil is still a lot more than some other countries. it’s good it’s dropping but yesterday was already too late
Still the biggest coal usage in, total numbers, in all of Europe.
First of all. 2023 is not over. You can’t make definite conclusions.
Second: 2022 was a weird year due to low nuclear power production in France. They only produced 276 TWh which was the lowest in 30 years. Germany filed part of that gap, and they filed it with coal.
So the comparison doesn’t hold well. At least not with the conclusion that nuclear phase out didn’t increase coal power. Remember: last winter 22/23 Germany was still producing nuclear power. It was phased out in April. This is year and early 24 will be the first German non nuclear power winter. Plus, summer on 2022 was unusually sunny, creating more solar power than normal.
The gap in nuclear power from France was mostly in the summer so comparing december 22 and december 23 would be more interesting.
And imagine the drop without phasing out nuclear
Renewables’ production increased only by 1% from 242.5 TWh to 245.2 TWh. The reason why the share of fossil fuel is lower is that less energy was produced. With nuclear, it could have been much better.
The point has never been “without nuclear nothing can be achieved”, it’s “we’re already too fucking late to not do everything we can to phase out as fast as possible (which means nuke AND renewables)”
Obviously closing down the nuclear plants made this even more difficult, but it’s fantastic to see Germany succeeding on clean energy nonetheless! If Germany can show that this model is successful, it is something that countries all over the world can copy. All who care about avoiding the worst consequences of climate change should be pointing to this as a wonderful example of what new technologies can achieve.
In 2022 491,8 TWh produced and Germany was an exporter. In 2023 417,4 TWh produced and importer…
TLDR: Germany reduced its electricity production by 15%
I’m not quite sure what the point of the OP is…
Renewables went up ~2.5TWh and the total energy production/consumption went down 74,7TWh.
So I’m not quite sure what correlation we’re supposed to see here… Is it that Renewable ate up Nuclear? No because Nuclear went down WAY more than Renewable went up. Is it that Renewables account for a larger portion of the total amount? I mean sure… Renewables went up from 49.3% to 58.7% but is that something to point out when the energy usage went down 30 times more than the Renewable production increased…
So I’m guessing we’re supposed to say “Yay, for some reason or another Germany used less electricity 2023 than 2022. Why? NO CLUE!”
Who’s to say they didnt buy evey single TW they didnt produce 2023 from france and it’s nuclear powerstations?
* enabled by friendly neighboring countries filling up the intermittency gaps with their variable production
Great for Germany to go in the right direction. [There’s still a long way to go though](https://app.electricitymaps.com/map). Hopefully Poland follows and phases out its coal.
Let’s craft legislation so that EU countries cannot regress: a huge fine if their CO2 emissions grow.
As expected by everyone but nuclear fetishists. Massive investments in renewables made it possible to avoid r/Europe’s narrative, that nuclear phase-out will lead to tremendous increase in fossile fuels.
Nuclear already considered sustainable and zero-carbon. With recent breakthroughs in effective capture of uranium from seawater and closed fuel cycle applications it might become finally considered renewable soon. But I guess that wouldn’t matter to Germany, too much damage already has been done by promoting radiophobia for decades by many organisations there.
Thank you for putting images too. A lot of germans just add some statistics showing the increase of renewables in the mix.
What they don’t show is this image about production that shows a little dirty trick. Germany reduced it’s production of electricity. That’s the big miracle of increase percentage of renewables even though on some months the nominal production actually dropped from 2022.
How does Germany manage to do that and avoid blackouts? Well, it simply imports from France, Norway and Denmark at peak demand putting pressure on others to produce and pressure on the prices. So energy from nuclear, hydro and wind and is set to be a net importer by the end of the year for the first time I think from the reunification.
So much for no more nuclear energy bullshit, when your grid relies on it and more countries like Poland are set to build new reactors.
It’s still fucking stupid.
And Nordic workers pay for it.
I mean they used a lot less electricity too, wonder hoe many of that covered the disappearance of the nuclear.
Regardless though, It’s still great news and using less electricity in general is better also.
What is the point here. 4% is nothing and could just as well mean that the wind was significantly more favorable 2023 than 2022.
Had Germany kept running their productive, safe and secure nuclear plants you would have seen a drop in fossil fuels much more dramatic than 4%.
We do not have time to worry about nuclear. Society is already critically affected by climate change and we need to do everything, everything we can to prevent further damage.
But using nuclear energy Germany could achieve even more.
Right now, 18/12/2023 at 21:28, Germany is emitting 376 gCO2/kWh, by far not the worst they’ve done. France is at 79, one of its worse results
Yay incremental progress instead of actual progress? Not like there is an emergency or anything…
Numbers thanks to electricity imports from neighbour’s
This chart doesn’t seem to break down imports. Am I right?
With this increasements, fossile will be mostly phased out in a few years.
Isn’t this missing imports from outside the country ?
It’s 24% drop. From 216TWh to 165TWh.
So it’s about the same as Poland despite 2x bigger population and 6x bigger economy. Actually Poland is propably much worse becouse natural gas emit much less CO2 (however there are reasonable doubs about how much CH5 leaks into atmosphere, so it could be much worse than coal), and in Poland we burn more coal.
If you look at the UK and Germany at the turn of the century the two countries produced / had the same ratio of coal in their energy mix. The UK has since phased out coal, Germany is still above 30% 23 years later.
Progress from criminal levels still leaves Germany at criminal levels: you are generating totally unnecessary levels of green house gases and fine particles, the latter killing people in the thousands every year. One of your coal plants is among the world’s top ten green house gas emitters in the world.
And as you pointed out this is being achieved due to the criminal decision to phase out perfectly functioning, carbon-free, fine particle-free nuclear plants.
That decision ranks among the stupidest and most nefarious by a Western leader since the invasion of Iraq in 2003. Please don’t add insult to injury by bragging about yearly improvements, especially in a year when Germany imported copious amounts of nuclear powered electricity.
It seems the manufacturing sector got a real hit in Germany.