Dem NBC-Bericht zufolge wurde Noah Argamani nicht von der Hamas, sondern von einem zivilen Mob entführt

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  1. >Noa Argamani, who was taken hostage on the morning of October 7 during the deadly Hamas onslaught in southern Israel, may not have been kidnapped by Hamas but rather by a mob of Gaza civilians, a new report has suggested.

    >An investigation conducted by US news outlet NBC and published on Tuesday examined the potential whereabouts of the 26-year-old Argamani after she wasn’t released during a week-long truce deal between Israel and Hamas in late November.

    >The truce saw the release of 105 people, mostly women and children, held by Hamas and other terrorist organizations in Gaza. Yet Argamani wasn’t among them, and no signs of life have been received by her loved ones since the earliest days of the war.

    >Argamani was kidnapped from the Supernova music festival on the morning of October 7, and a video of her abduction was one of the first to be published online as Hamas terrorists massacred some 360 partygoers and abducted dozens more.

    >In the video shared online, Argamani is seen on the back of a motorcycle being driven by her captor, screaming “Don’t kill me!” As she is driven away, she attempts to reach for her boyfriend Avinatan Or, who was also taken captive.

    >While it has been widely assumed that Argamani was taken captive by Hamas, as some 240 others were, NBC suggested that she was instead captured by a civilian mob who took advantage of the Hamas attacks to enter Israel at the same time.

    >This possibility, the report said, could explain why Argamani was not released during the November truce, as Hamas may not know where she is being held inside the Gaza Strip.

  3. This is the part that people are afraid to say out loud. The vast majority of Palestinian citizens support Hamas completely and are far from innocent when it comes to terrorists running their government.

  4. If you are in the business of kidnapping people during a terrorist attack you’re not a god damned civilian you’re a fucking terrorist. What kind of headline is this?

  6. #Israel’s Channel 12 reports that freed hostages saw the 26-year-old Argamani during captivity, casting doubt on US outlet’s report

    For those who are only skimming

  8. I can’t believe this has to be said but if you commit terrorism then you are no longer a civilian, you are a terrorist.

  9. Tell me, are the people [in this video](https://www.reddit.com/r/tjournal_refugees/s/yuxPXz7Hlq) (18+)* Hamas or Palestinian civilians? And what’s the difference between them then?

    *Joshua Molel, a 21-year-old student from Tanzania, came to Israel on a student exchange program and studied agriculture.
    This week, it was confirmed that [he was killed](https://www.reddit.com/r/tjournal_refugees/s/yuxPXz7Hlq) (18+) by Hamas on October 7 and that his body is still being held.

  10. After they kidnapped her and her boyfriend they went back to being civilians right? What a complete joke

  11. She was abducted several HOURS after hamas invaded? wtf man. What were the timeline for these attacks? Weren’t people aware by then/help mobilized? This is so fucking sad.

  12. If ever “guilt by association” were valid, this is it. If you are invading a country beside terrorists and committing terrorist acts yourself, you are a terrorist.

  13. One of the principles of armed conflict is distinction – to differentiate between combatants and civilians, in order to reduce harm to innocent people and their property.

    This is mostly achieved by separating military from civilian facilities/infrastructure and by the use of uniforms.

    Hamas is doing it’s best to blur the line and cause as much collateral damage as possible to it’s civilians, while also being plausibly able to count all combatant casualties as innocent civilians – to discredit Israel.

    It’s possible to argue about whether these people were terrorists, affiliated or mob and how many of the Palestimians are innocent vs participating and/or supporting terror, but that discussion will most likely be toxic.

    I believe distinction is the more important issue to discuss within the framework of the “blame game”.

  14. I would imagine the hostages from 10/7 were like some sort of bounty system, so I’m not surprised by this. Would also explain why Hamas had trouble keeping track of hostages, because they weren’t that centralized and had to rely on opportunistic terrorists to turn in their captives.

  15. Ah yes, those innocent civilians I’ve been hearing about..

  16. Most american terrorists claim to be “free thinkers” who “arent associated with any group” too. They just happen to all subscribe to the same political affiliation and religion, and learn their rhetoric from the same sources and “influencers”.

    Terrorists not wanting to identify as terrorists is nothing new.

  17. Palestinians living in Gaza overwhelmingly support the terrorist organization Hamas. Reading that Palestinians abducted and subjected Noa Argamani to physical and psychological torture seems par for the course.

  19. And she hasn’t been released yet has she?

    The real story (if confirmed. Report suggests isn’t confirmation) is that this verified widespread support for not only Hamas but their actions on 10/7. It’s one thing to say yeah okay I like Hamas attacking Israel, it’s a whole new level to be part of the capturing of civilians.

  20. To all y’all saying their actions make them Hamas, make them not civilians, etc. The importance here is in relation to the reports of “civilian deaths,” which are already inflated as is; the question one should be asking as a result of the polls, documented indoctrination, “civilian” involvement from Oct 7 to public screenings of it for entertainment to lynch mobs, and complicity of the Palestinian public in helping terrorist activities, is *what does it actually mean to be a “civilian” in Palestine right now*? Being a civilian means there’s no formal affiliation with a militant group, it does *not* define or presuppose *innocence* and with the fundamental worldview and culture that Palestinians have fostered it’s important to recognize that this population of civilians looks more like 1940 Germany than it looks like students in Tianenman Square. It’s as equally bigotous to say they’re all innocent as to say they’re all guilty, and to ignore data to support one’s bias. There’s a reason Israel bombs before sending troops and is not interested in the weaponized emotional language and guilt baiting, and it’s because the majority of the population they’re up against are hostile, even combatants, even if they are technical “civilians.” There needs to be a serious deradicalization campaign at the end of this, and before that they need to have their spirit and hope of military conquest broken and the belief in being God’s chosen (their version of the ubermensch theory) needs to die, and before that there’s going to be a whole lot of death until Hamas is gone, whether Israel roots each of them out or the “civilian” population does so themselves because they’re ready to cry uncle. This is the only way this can end. There’s no diplomacy that’ll work here, and we’ve seen that for too many decades, with too many attempts.

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