AI, automation, robots and artificial wombs can help.
Those darn women, going off and getting careers, and those dastardly children, constantly costing more money!
I’m 27/m and would love kids.
I was also encouraged to put myself in to £60k student debt for a STEM entry-level job in a highly competitive area. Competition for jobs means lower than expected salary. As far as I’m aware, the only thing my payroll is doing is paying for my landlady’s new ’24 plate electric Mercedes-Benz and her 5 holidays per year.
Also, while I’m on one, why THE FUCK do we give so many discounts to old people? The TV Licence; haircuts; cheap public transport; help with rent… it goes on. Don’t these lot have all the money?
Well, if we weren’t being harvested for every penny we might be able to consider it 🤷🏼♂️
thanks Netanyahu
How the heck is Hungary a success story? They managed to raise the birth rate 0.3, which is noticeable. But its from a total rock bottom and their population will still decline in a totally unsustainable way?
The article is right to draw attention to the bizarre nature of the people who discuss this which boxes out sensible conversation. The nutters like to level accusations at the pill. But nobody ever seems to bring up the effect of widely available vasectomies.
The pill stops women who arent ready having children. Vasectomies are often used to stop proven fathers having one too many for a comfortable bank balance, but the far right would have you believe its all the slutty pill popping women’s fault the birth rate is dropping.
Delayed adult hood is not just a social problem, but its inherent in our advanced economies. If you want a highly skilled work force, people have to be in education longer. I think bringing back apprenticeships, high skilled ones would actually go a long way to fixing this. I know two 22 year olds who did degree apprenticeships, own homes and have a kid.
maybe we’d be having more kids if wer could afford to fucking live
*Societies set up to require eternal population growth are becoming a problem too big to ignore.
If they want us to have more kids then make childcare affordable and housing more affordable. Nothing is going to change otherwise.
Sorry but I’ve never had any desire to have kids, you could give me $5 million and I still wouldn’t.
I’d love to be a father. My brother has a wee boy and I remember holding him while he slept. It made me feel so broody. However I have a mortgage to pay and i’m not a huge earner, whilst my partner has potential to do pretty great and doesn’t want to put her career on hold. It also doesn’t help that everything has gone up in price and private nurseries are extortionate. So I’ve accepted i’m never going to be a father.
Not just the cost but the world isn’t going to be worth living in the way everything is going.
This is a wider problem than just Britain, in Italy for instance it’s even worse.
How are you liking your neoliberalism? It literally is becoming breed the rich…
Only about 7% of Brits make £39,000 or over.
Which doesn’t sound like it should be a bit deal, but for a good portion of our population here, Especially in metropolitan areas where the housing crisis is more pronounced such as Manchester, Edinburgh, or London, making anything below that amount is unsustainable for a family.
And that £39,000 after taxes, car insurance, rent, and groceries is not going to leave your average British worker with much to save up for a house.
This country is turning to shit and it’s disheartening to me because it could’ve easily avoided this, and honestly Labour doesn’t seem like it has the balls to implement the changes necessary to fix the situation that we’re in.
I haven’t anything about abolishing archaic zoning laws, loosening up the greenbelt in a way that induces development (which countries like Denmark have done), or any of the countless examples of public policy which eased the burden of the cost of the living crisis.
Fuck sakes, by the end of the decade your average Polish household is going to be more well off than your average British household.
I didn’t intend for this to be rambly, but my god, we have some insane structural issues that need to be tackled.
British people can’t afford to buy. Decent people don’t have kids if they’re not securely homed.
Also we need four day weeks, should’ve happened when women entered the workforce more.
They will definitely keep ignoring it
Bullshit
Is there any aspect of UK thats doing alright atm?
Want to solve the declining birth rate. Start by:
* building more affordable houses, lots and lots of them, close to where young people want to work.
* making childcare affordable for everyone, so young couples don’t lose an entire income, effectively, when they have a child.
* valuing parenting and children: stop telling young people, implicitly and explicitly, that kids are drag and tell them, truthfully, that they’re a blessing
* treating parents, particularly mothers, with respect and communicating to them that their work and their role in society is valued and high status
People don’t have time for kids. All they do is work all day or go to higher ed.
Journalism has truly sunk to a new depth when an article on this topic begins with an ELON MUSK QUOTE. Everyone knows he is not an expert, correct? Sweet fancy Moses, Telegraph.
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From the fascist Daily Telegraph
AI, automation, robots and artificial wombs can help.
Those darn women, going off and getting careers, and those dastardly children, constantly costing more money!
I’m 27/m and would love kids.
I was also encouraged to put myself in to £60k student debt for a STEM entry-level job in a highly competitive area. Competition for jobs means lower than expected salary. As far as I’m aware, the only thing my payroll is doing is paying for my landlady’s new ’24 plate electric Mercedes-Benz and her 5 holidays per year.
Also, while I’m on one, why THE FUCK do we give so many discounts to old people? The TV Licence; haircuts; cheap public transport; help with rent… it goes on. Don’t these lot have all the money?
Well, if we weren’t being harvested for every penny we might be able to consider it 🤷🏼♂️
thanks Netanyahu
How the heck is Hungary a success story? They managed to raise the birth rate 0.3, which is noticeable. But its from a total rock bottom and their population will still decline in a totally unsustainable way?
The article is right to draw attention to the bizarre nature of the people who discuss this which boxes out sensible conversation. The nutters like to level accusations at the pill. But nobody ever seems to bring up the effect of widely available vasectomies.
The pill stops women who arent ready having children. Vasectomies are often used to stop proven fathers having one too many for a comfortable bank balance, but the far right would have you believe its all the slutty pill popping women’s fault the birth rate is dropping.
Delayed adult hood is not just a social problem, but its inherent in our advanced economies. If you want a highly skilled work force, people have to be in education longer. I think bringing back apprenticeships, high skilled ones would actually go a long way to fixing this. I know two 22 year olds who did degree apprenticeships, own homes and have a kid.
maybe we’d be having more kids if wer could afford to fucking live
*Societies set up to require eternal population growth are becoming a problem too big to ignore.
If they want us to have more kids then make childcare affordable and housing more affordable. Nothing is going to change otherwise.
Sorry but I’ve never had any desire to have kids, you could give me $5 million and I still wouldn’t.
I’d love to be a father. My brother has a wee boy and I remember holding him while he slept. It made me feel so broody. However I have a mortgage to pay and i’m not a huge earner, whilst my partner has potential to do pretty great and doesn’t want to put her career on hold. It also doesn’t help that everything has gone up in price and private nurseries are extortionate. So I’ve accepted i’m never going to be a father.
Not just the cost but the world isn’t going to be worth living in the way everything is going.
This is a wider problem than just Britain, in Italy for instance it’s even worse.
How are you liking your neoliberalism? It literally is becoming breed the rich…
Only about 7% of Brits make £39,000 or over.
Which doesn’t sound like it should be a bit deal, but for a good portion of our population here, Especially in metropolitan areas where the housing crisis is more pronounced such as Manchester, Edinburgh, or London, making anything below that amount is unsustainable for a family.
And that £39,000 after taxes, car insurance, rent, and groceries is not going to leave your average British worker with much to save up for a house.
This country is turning to shit and it’s disheartening to me because it could’ve easily avoided this, and honestly Labour doesn’t seem like it has the balls to implement the changes necessary to fix the situation that we’re in.
I haven’t anything about abolishing archaic zoning laws, loosening up the greenbelt in a way that induces development (which countries like Denmark have done), or any of the countless examples of public policy which eased the burden of the cost of the living crisis.
Fuck sakes, by the end of the decade your average Polish household is going to be more well off than your average British household.
I didn’t intend for this to be rambly, but my god, we have some insane structural issues that need to be tackled.
British people can’t afford to buy. Decent people don’t have kids if they’re not securely homed.
Also we need four day weeks, should’ve happened when women entered the workforce more.
They will definitely keep ignoring it
Bullshit
Is there any aspect of UK thats doing alright atm?
Want to solve the declining birth rate. Start by:
* building more affordable houses, lots and lots of them, close to where young people want to work.
* making childcare affordable for everyone, so young couples don’t lose an entire income, effectively, when they have a child.
* valuing parenting and children: stop telling young people, implicitly and explicitly, that kids are drag and tell them, truthfully, that they’re a blessing
* treating parents, particularly mothers, with respect and communicating to them that their work and their role in society is valued and high status
People don’t have time for kids. All they do is work all day or go to higher ed.
Journalism has truly sunk to a new depth when an article on this topic begins with an ELON MUSK QUOTE. Everyone knows he is not an expert, correct? Sweet fancy Moses, Telegraph.