Crime rates have been going down for years. But that doesn’t stop the narrative on the right when a Dem is President. They did the same thing when Obama was President. When Trump was Pres, they said crime was a Democratic city problem.
Facts don’t matter when you get your news from Fox.
On issues people react to viscerally, especially with fear, it’s not clear that facts are an important part of the equation.
This hypothetical interference seems…aspirational.
white collar crime maybe? though they probably think being a person of color and/or not straight, and probably getting an abortion as a crime. In that light/reality… then I guess they’re right?
on the contrary, ex-president crime is WAY up
Also doesn’t help that Target and other big name brands admitted that theft and crime was exaggerated, and the most common things stolen were infant care items and personal hygiene products.
Newt Gingrich explained in 2016 that while data showed that crime was down what was important was that Republicans ‘felt’ that crime was up.
> But what we found wasn’t that it was crime (as in) “I’m worried about my neighborhood, I’m worried about carjacking”, it was sort of everything you saw happen during the pandemic. It was “I’m seeing more tent cities, I’m seeing more homelessness”. So that in the voters’ mind became “crime”, and ***that’s what really we exploited in that Wisconsin race***.
That *anyone* would ever trust these cretins to lower crime even if it were up, is fucking preposterous.
The only thing the GOP has are draconian, monstrous techniques that have been proven wrong over and over and over again.
Don’t worry, after we finish the war on Xmas we can jump into a caravan of migrants that will disappear the day after the election.
In 2022, it was all about gas prices and inflation. Now you won’t hear a peep about gas prices. Inflation is also losing its panache. Its now on to the border.
It doesn’t matter. Facts simply do not matter to Republicans anymore.
Even if Trump himself stood on live TV and told everyone he lied about the fixed election and did take the documents for nefarious use to sell out America to the highest bidder, And he knew all about the coordinated attack on the capital.
They wouldn’t believe it.
These are the same people that are constantly saying that the United States isn’t allowed to drill for oil anymore even though the United States is pumping more oil this year than ever before.
They won’t pay attention to this, either
Depends on how it’s measured. Per capita, absolute numbers, etc.
Example: Detroit has lowest murder numbers in several years. However per capita rate up wih city poplation decline.
The numbers don’t matter for public opinion. Social media videos or articles on carjackings or 11 years old holding people up at gunpoint travel faster and easier than stats. Stories of politicians being mugged or carjacked in DC lately don’t help either. Homeless people pushing people onto subway tracks also add to the stories.
There has been a spike in vehicle theft at least. As the article here actually notes, those thefts are up 10% nationally, and they affect ordinary people in a random, direct way, unlike homicides which tend to be targeted. Carjackings also spread paranoia since you always have to be on the look out. It doesn’t help that, from my experience, cities don’t do much about it. From my travels, I’ve seen cities lately posting notices in garages saying that it’s up to you individually to prevent crime. That only further spreads a sense that we’re supposed to be vigilant and uneasy all the time and suggests the area is crime prone.
Facts and logic don’t matter with these people. They want to believe that democrat controlled cities are lawless wastelands while they reside in rural areas or gated suburban communities and have no idea how people live.
Murder rate is also 40% higher in red states, and remains higher even after you remove every city over 100k population (it’s not “blue cities” as Trumpanzees have been trained to parrot) .
Murder rate has been higher in red states for over 20 years, yet crickets from the media.
The only thing that is out of control is the GOP party and nazism.
Data is comparing to last year. Do a comparison to pre COVID and you will see that crime has effectively been up from pre COVID.
Driving a car every day is more dangerous than living in the shittiest neighborhood you can find.
Crime is down because the economy is improving.
It IS out of control. There’s a guy openly threatening anyone and all he pleases and is suffering no consequences. That and the other 91 felony charges
Is this when we trust USATODAY? How are hate crimes? The whole framing of this article is an example of the horror journalism has become, they are literally just advertising trying to drag you back. Crime is down, and it’s nice…it doesn’t change what the hell happened.
It would be nice if the media didn’t simply regurgitate rightwing nonsense just because they happen to be the loudest
The most crime I see reported in the news these days is all republicans
So is inflation. GOP elites hate it when things get better for ordinary Americans.
tends to happen when conservatives are dying constantly by preventable diseases and medical conditions. we would see even lower numbers if republicans were stopped from blocking inflation control, debt relief and minimum wage increases.
There not going down, there just not reported.
Here in Seattle we have just passed the record number of murders. They are not quite yet at the record level on a per-capita basis, but crime for sure is not going down here.
At some point people should start realizing republicans lie about everything. If they accuse they are already guilty.
Reality and Conservatism are constantly meeting like this.
Yeah but people are still black so gop will find some excuse
The thing is, the GOP narrative doesn’t respond to facts, reason, or logic. They ignore reality, create a false “reality,” and repeat it so much that their supporters end up hearing only that as they tune out anything but right-wing media and politicians.
I moved from the northeast to Southern Florida in the middle of my 9th grade year. The education system down there in Cooper city was so behind my previous school that I went from a low B average to a straight A student receiving student of the month awards and meeting the mayor. I didn’t get any smarter. It’s just that the bar was so low due to lack of funding, socioeconomic codification in the area, and backward policy the students were behind. Many of the students didn’t get how the scientific method worked, something I learned in my first year of middle school (may have been 5th grade even) Earth Science, these guys were just learning this in 9th grade.
Point being, if you don’t teach critical thinking, how to apply scientific methods with that thinking, and how to do proper research at an early age and repeat such often (every year since we had first learned such it was reviewed and repeated in every science class thereafter as well). All in all, the CT school systems were just a cut above the others I attended (Maine and Florida).
That’s why you hear these people say “I’ve done the research,” but sadly, they don’t know how to research and check sources or just critically think about the information they are presented with. If they did, we’d have a ton less of these misinformed self-proclaimed “researchers” spinning conspiracy theories. The Dunning-Kruger is strong in the right wing bubble.
Chicago?
Maybe because they have made things legal that should probably still be illegal.
Yea I don’t believe any numbers put out by this administration. Sorry. Nothing has been right for the last decade.
Even shop lifting is down. Black markets flooded those stolen bottles arent worth the effort
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Crime rates have been going down for years. But that doesn’t stop the narrative on the right when a Dem is President. They did the same thing when Obama was President. When Trump was Pres, they said crime was a Democratic city problem.
Facts don’t matter when you get your news from Fox.
On issues people react to viscerally, especially with fear, it’s not clear that facts are an important part of the equation.
This hypothetical interference seems…aspirational.
white collar crime maybe? though they probably think being a person of color and/or not straight, and probably getting an abortion as a crime. In that light/reality… then I guess they’re right?
on the contrary, ex-president crime is WAY up
Also doesn’t help that Target and other big name brands admitted that theft and crime was exaggerated, and the most common things stolen were infant care items and personal hygiene products.
Newt Gingrich explained in 2016 that while data showed that crime was down what was important was that Republicans ‘felt’ that crime was up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnhJWusyj4I
That is, their feels matter more than our facts.
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lol no.
> But what we found wasn’t that it was crime (as in) “I’m worried about my neighborhood, I’m worried about carjacking”, it was sort of everything you saw happen during the pandemic. It was “I’m seeing more tent cities, I’m seeing more homelessness”. So that in the voters’ mind became “crime”, and ***that’s what really we exploited in that Wisconsin race***.
– [Brenda Gianiny, pollster for Republican firm Axis Research (clients include Sen. Mitch McConnell of KY and Sen. Ron Johnson of WI), starts at 31:45](https://www.c-span.org/video/?527685-4/changing-dynamics-polling)
That *anyone* would ever trust these cretins to lower crime even if it were up, is fucking preposterous.
The only thing the GOP has are draconian, monstrous techniques that have been proven wrong over and over and over again.
Don’t worry, after we finish the war on Xmas we can jump into a caravan of migrants that will disappear the day after the election.
In 2022, it was all about gas prices and inflation. Now you won’t hear a peep about gas prices. Inflation is also losing its panache. Its now on to the border.
Moving goal posts is not new for tge GOP. They attacked Obama’s record by stating that while unemployment rate is low, labor participation rate has declined (Sean [Hannity](https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/foxs-hannity-calls-the-unemployment-rate-lie-msna451161) was the main culprit). But have you heard about the participation rate since Trump was elected? Cause its the same[rate](https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CIVPART) as it was under Obama. It had been declining steadily after the financial contagion at the end of Bush term.
It doesn’t matter. Facts simply do not matter to Republicans anymore.
Even if Trump himself stood on live TV and told everyone he lied about the fixed election and did take the documents for nefarious use to sell out America to the highest bidder, And he knew all about the coordinated attack on the capital.
They wouldn’t believe it.
These are the same people that are constantly saying that the United States isn’t allowed to drill for oil anymore even though the United States is pumping more oil this year than ever before.
They won’t pay attention to this, either
Depends on how it’s measured. Per capita, absolute numbers, etc.
Example: Detroit has lowest murder numbers in several years. However per capita rate up wih city poplation decline.
The numbers don’t matter for public opinion. Social media videos or articles on carjackings or 11 years old holding people up at gunpoint travel faster and easier than stats. Stories of politicians being mugged or carjacked in DC lately don’t help either. Homeless people pushing people onto subway tracks also add to the stories.
There has been a spike in vehicle theft at least. As the article here actually notes, those thefts are up 10% nationally, and they affect ordinary people in a random, direct way, unlike homicides which tend to be targeted. Carjackings also spread paranoia since you always have to be on the look out. It doesn’t help that, from my experience, cities don’t do much about it. From my travels, I’ve seen cities lately posting notices in garages saying that it’s up to you individually to prevent crime. That only further spreads a sense that we’re supposed to be vigilant and uneasy all the time and suggests the area is crime prone.
Facts and logic don’t matter with these people. They want to believe that democrat controlled cities are lawless wastelands while they reside in rural areas or gated suburban communities and have no idea how people live.
Murder rate is also 40% higher in red states, and remains higher even after you remove every city over 100k population (it’s not “blue cities” as Trumpanzees have been trained to parrot) .
Murder rate has been higher in red states for over 20 years, yet crickets from the media.
The only thing that is out of control is the GOP party and nazism.
Meanwhile, top story on FoxNews.com: [Former prosecutor accused of limiting questions about Joe Biden denies politics played a role in Hunter probe](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/former-prosecutor-accused-of-limiting-questions-about-joe-biden-denies-politics-played-a-role-in-hunter-probe).
Data is comparing to last year. Do a comparison to pre COVID and you will see that crime has effectively been up from pre COVID.
Driving a car every day is more dangerous than living in the shittiest neighborhood you can find.
Crime is down because the economy is improving.
It IS out of control. There’s a guy openly threatening anyone and all he pleases and is suffering no consequences. That and the other 91 felony charges
Is this when we trust USATODAY? How are hate crimes? The whole framing of this article is an example of the horror journalism has become, they are literally just advertising trying to drag you back. Crime is down, and it’s nice…it doesn’t change what the hell happened.
It would be nice if the media didn’t simply regurgitate rightwing nonsense just because they happen to be the loudest
The most crime I see reported in the news these days is all republicans
So is inflation. GOP elites hate it when things get better for ordinary Americans.
tends to happen when conservatives are dying constantly by preventable diseases and medical conditions. we would see even lower numbers if republicans were stopped from blocking inflation control, debt relief and minimum wage increases.
There not going down, there just not reported.
Here in Seattle we have just passed the record number of murders. They are not quite yet at the record level on a per-capita basis, but crime for sure is not going down here.
At some point people should start realizing republicans lie about everything. If they accuse they are already guilty.
Reality and Conservatism are constantly meeting like this.
Yeah but people are still black so gop will find some excuse
The thing is, the GOP narrative doesn’t respond to facts, reason, or logic. They ignore reality, create a false “reality,” and repeat it so much that their supporters end up hearing only that as they tune out anything but right-wing media and politicians.
I moved from the northeast to Southern Florida in the middle of my 9th grade year. The education system down there in Cooper city was so behind my previous school that I went from a low B average to a straight A student receiving student of the month awards and meeting the mayor. I didn’t get any smarter. It’s just that the bar was so low due to lack of funding, socioeconomic codification in the area, and backward policy the students were behind. Many of the students didn’t get how the scientific method worked, something I learned in my first year of middle school (may have been 5th grade even) Earth Science, these guys were just learning this in 9th grade.
Point being, if you don’t teach critical thinking, how to apply scientific methods with that thinking, and how to do proper research at an early age and repeat such often (every year since we had first learned such it was reviewed and repeated in every science class thereafter as well). All in all, the CT school systems were just a cut above the others I attended (Maine and Florida).
That’s why you hear these people say “I’ve done the research,” but sadly, they don’t know how to research and check sources or just critically think about the information they are presented with. If they did, we’d have a ton less of these misinformed self-proclaimed “researchers” spinning conspiracy theories. The Dunning-Kruger is strong in the right wing bubble.
Chicago?
Maybe because they have made things legal that should probably still be illegal.
Yea I don’t believe any numbers put out by this administration. Sorry. Nothing has been right for the last decade.
Even shop lifting is down. Black markets flooded those stolen bottles arent worth the effort