They should be trying to get a refund from the people starving the service. Anything else is just depriving the service even more.
Assumed it was a typo – “old couple”, not “Mold couple”.
Turns out it’s an old Mold couple. With the increases to winter fuel bills, I hope they’re not a cold old Mold couple…
> “There’s a bit of me that thinks I’ve actually paid twice for this, through my national insurance contributions.
This is perhaps the only bit I agree with though not technically as NI isn’t ringfenced for health or social care, just the tax part. Thankfully, many places in Europe have fantastic healthcare, like Lithuania, it’s just sad you have to double pay via taxes then privately to get the healthcare because governments have spent decades spaffing money up the wall and not funding it properly.
I can understand paying to go private (I think we’re all heading that way) – but a refund is pretty farcical
This was an option before Brexit. Up until 2020, patients who received private healthcare in Europe could have a reimbursement under the European Economic Area Directive.
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Another example of how Brexit fucked us all over in the UK
I’m not saying it’s right but weirdly this might be value for money for the NHS (assuming medical treatment there is cheaper.)
My mums neighbour got a hip fracture and replacement within a few days.
Maybe the reason this couple were on a long waiting list is because they don’t really need it or there are many people in more need before them?
Also you don’t get refunds from insurance (not that NI is insurance anyway) if something is not covered in a timeframe that suits the recipient.
If anyone should get a refund it should be me, it’s my money paying for their care.
Their money was spend years ago.
So they had the money to do this on a whim and now still want a refund? Bloody scroungers! /s
Jokes aside, they make a good point and even say they dont want all the money back. But its probably in the same area as going private since they werent being refused the ops, so doubt it goes any further.
Ngl, this is not what we want as a long term thing, but it’s better for people who can afford it to do this to free up domestic capacity for those that can’t.
It ‘could’ be years. Emphasis on ‘could’.
They might have been bumped up in six months if it was deemed a priority.
The cheek to ask for a refund ffs.
In lucky enough to have private health care through my work for my immediate family. I used it for the first time a couple of years ago when I was told an NHS waiting list would be about six months for something that I really didn’t want to wait that long for. I felt very uneasy about doing this, coming from working class where this kind of care is for other proper and I don’t deserve it / can’t afford it mentality. The reality is, by going private I didn’t add to the NHS waiting list.
There are some in the NHS who think the only way that waiting lists are going to be solved is by more people going private and that more companies should offer health care as a benefit.
We’re all paying 75% of the cost of a good health service to have a shit one. Smart move.
I love the NHS, but do think it needs rethinking. Maybe it is time we introduced a system like Germany has. Everyone pays into mandatory sickness funds and receives free healthcare. But above a certain income, you have a choice of putting your funds into private schemes instead – although most don’t. Treatment is all delivered separately, with everyone treated through the same network of providers irrespective of how their healthcare is funded.
Well they can whistle for it, just like a refund isn’t given to non NHS dentistry patients.
Paying national insurance and not getting treated by the NHS isn’t the same as paying for a service and not getting it.
I understand the emotion, but these people need to give their heads a wobble.
Our NHS is dogshite compared to many countries now. Im in Malaysia and even as a foreigner I can see a doctor in a matter of hours. Same in Thailand and Singapore. I can also see a government run dentist within a day in those same countries. And what makes this even more alarming is in these countries I only pay 7-10% tax, compared to 20% plus in the UK.
Time to wake up !!
Wanting a refund is ridiculous. I know there was an option for this pre-2020 but that’s what happens when the country goes for Brexit.
After careful consideration, they can f@@k right off.
Looking back over the last 12 years I wish I’d just paid for my partners hernia op. We can see what they’re doing to the NHS, just keep it shit enough that no one likes it long enough and they’ll have a mandate to shut it down.
This doesn’t sound like worst idea I’ve heard. If it saves 35% of the cost for the NHS and the overseas operations are done to similar standards. This could work on a wider scale? Not so much reimbursing people but outsourcing operations abroad (but not Kenya)
English news in a nutshell:
Article praising something in uk: comments are all shitting on uk.
Article pointing out issues in uk: comments are all “it aint that bad, mate”. Excuses excuses excuses.
I’m honestly of the opinion that in an article like this a piece of information that should always be asked is “who do you vote for” it’s mostly old people using NHS resources and mostly old people voting for the party that doesn’t believe in the NHS. So much like Brexit a lot of these articles are Boomers angry at the consequences of their own actions.
The elephant in the room about the NHS is that most hospital beds are full of old people whose families won’t take them in to look after them. Until they are able to return to their own homes.
After many, many decades the penny is finally starting to drop for Brits that free healthcare is useless if there are not enough resources available for you to access it
Bet they voted Brexit and tory.
Sorry but the NHS is MASSIVELY underfunded & massively understaffed. Given the choice between paying for emergency care, cancer care or a hip replacement..it’s a no brainer.
We’ve gone from the best health service in the world in 2010 to one of the worst in europe & that’s down to boomers voting tory again and again.
I need adhd meds and am thinking of buying them from the states because of the shit show the NHS is at the moment & I can guarantee you I pay a fuck load more tax than these jokers, but I’m not expecting a refund if I do end up spending $300/month on pills.
I get their frustration, but no. You wait in the queue like everyone else. And if you don’t want to wait and you’d prefer to go private, that’s fine, but you pay for it yourself. That’s the deal that EVERYONE works to in the UK.
Honestly, I can see this being part of the solution to fixing the NHS backlog. If we can afford to send asylum seekers to East Africa then we can afford to send Grandma and Grandpa to Eastern Europe for a hip replacement.
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They should be trying to get a refund from the people starving the service. Anything else is just depriving the service even more.
Assumed it was a typo – “old couple”, not “Mold couple”.
Turns out it’s an old Mold couple. With the increases to winter fuel bills, I hope they’re not a cold old Mold couple…
> “There’s a bit of me that thinks I’ve actually paid twice for this, through my national insurance contributions.
This is perhaps the only bit I agree with though not technically as NI isn’t ringfenced for health or social care, just the tax part. Thankfully, many places in Europe have fantastic healthcare, like Lithuania, it’s just sad you have to double pay via taxes then privately to get the healthcare because governments have spent decades spaffing money up the wall and not funding it properly.
I can understand paying to go private (I think we’re all heading that way) – but a refund is pretty farcical
This was an option before Brexit. Up until 2020, patients who received private healthcare in Europe could have a reimbursement under the European Economic Area Directive.
–
Another example of how Brexit fucked us all over in the UK
I’m not saying it’s right but weirdly this might be value for money for the NHS (assuming medical treatment there is cheaper.)
My mums neighbour got a hip fracture and replacement within a few days.
Maybe the reason this couple were on a long waiting list is because they don’t really need it or there are many people in more need before them?
Also you don’t get refunds from insurance (not that NI is insurance anyway) if something is not covered in a timeframe that suits the recipient.
If anyone should get a refund it should be me, it’s my money paying for their care.
Their money was spend years ago.
So they had the money to do this on a whim and now still want a refund? Bloody scroungers! /s
Jokes aside, they make a good point and even say they dont want all the money back. But its probably in the same area as going private since they werent being refused the ops, so doubt it goes any further.
Ngl, this is not what we want as a long term thing, but it’s better for people who can afford it to do this to free up domestic capacity for those that can’t.
It ‘could’ be years. Emphasis on ‘could’.
They might have been bumped up in six months if it was deemed a priority.
The cheek to ask for a refund ffs.
In lucky enough to have private health care through my work for my immediate family. I used it for the first time a couple of years ago when I was told an NHS waiting list would be about six months for something that I really didn’t want to wait that long for. I felt very uneasy about doing this, coming from working class where this kind of care is for other proper and I don’t deserve it / can’t afford it mentality. The reality is, by going private I didn’t add to the NHS waiting list.
There are some in the NHS who think the only way that waiting lists are going to be solved is by more people going private and that more companies should offer health care as a benefit.
We’re all paying 75% of the cost of a good health service to have a shit one. Smart move.
I love the NHS, but do think it needs rethinking. Maybe it is time we introduced a system like Germany has. Everyone pays into mandatory sickness funds and receives free healthcare. But above a certain income, you have a choice of putting your funds into private schemes instead – although most don’t. Treatment is all delivered separately, with everyone treated through the same network of providers irrespective of how their healthcare is funded.
Well they can whistle for it, just like a refund isn’t given to non NHS dentistry patients.
Paying national insurance and not getting treated by the NHS isn’t the same as paying for a service and not getting it.
I understand the emotion, but these people need to give their heads a wobble.
Our NHS is dogshite compared to many countries now. Im in Malaysia and even as a foreigner I can see a doctor in a matter of hours. Same in Thailand and Singapore. I can also see a government run dentist within a day in those same countries. And what makes this even more alarming is in these countries I only pay 7-10% tax, compared to 20% plus in the UK.
Time to wake up !!
Wanting a refund is ridiculous. I know there was an option for this pre-2020 but that’s what happens when the country goes for Brexit.
After careful consideration, they can f@@k right off.
Looking back over the last 12 years I wish I’d just paid for my partners hernia op. We can see what they’re doing to the NHS, just keep it shit enough that no one likes it long enough and they’ll have a mandate to shut it down.
This doesn’t sound like worst idea I’ve heard. If it saves 35% of the cost for the NHS and the overseas operations are done to similar standards. This could work on a wider scale? Not so much reimbursing people but outsourcing operations abroad (but not Kenya)
English news in a nutshell:
Article praising something in uk: comments are all shitting on uk.
Article pointing out issues in uk: comments are all “it aint that bad, mate”. Excuses excuses excuses.
I’m honestly of the opinion that in an article like this a piece of information that should always be asked is “who do you vote for” it’s mostly old people using NHS resources and mostly old people voting for the party that doesn’t believe in the NHS. So much like Brexit a lot of these articles are Boomers angry at the consequences of their own actions.
The elephant in the room about the NHS is that most hospital beds are full of old people whose families won’t take them in to look after them. Until they are able to return to their own homes.
After many, many decades the penny is finally starting to drop for Brits that free healthcare is useless if there are not enough resources available for you to access it
Bet they voted Brexit and tory.
Sorry but the NHS is MASSIVELY underfunded & massively understaffed. Given the choice between paying for emergency care, cancer care or a hip replacement..it’s a no brainer.
We’ve gone from the best health service in the world in 2010 to one of the worst in europe & that’s down to boomers voting tory again and again.
I need adhd meds and am thinking of buying them from the states because of the shit show the NHS is at the moment & I can guarantee you I pay a fuck load more tax than these jokers, but I’m not expecting a refund if I do end up spending $300/month on pills.
I get their frustration, but no. You wait in the queue like everyone else. And if you don’t want to wait and you’d prefer to go private, that’s fine, but you pay for it yourself. That’s the deal that EVERYONE works to in the UK.
Honestly, I can see this being part of the solution to fixing the NHS backlog. If we can afford to send asylum seekers to East Africa then we can afford to send Grandma and Grandpa to Eastern Europe for a hip replacement.