>“Mr. Trump has declared his candidacy for president again in 2024,” reads the motion. “However, under the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, Mr. Trump is constitutionally ineligible to appear on any future ballot for federal office based on his engagement in insurrection against the United States.”
True. True.
I hope we see a domino effect! Soon he won’t be able to win even if he sweeps the states dumb enough to leave him on the ballot.
Go for it! Anything to take the Orange cockroach down before he turns America into Nazi-Ville. The language in 14A is very clear.
its good .. trump getting hard hits
Because there’s a lot of misinformation floating around on this topic, let’s try to remedy a few points:
* Due process in civil cases requires a notice and a hearing before a tribunal. Trump got that. It’s unclear whether the Supreme Court will believe a civil case is a sufficient bar, but doing so would represent changing the threshold of severity for the case. Every other ballot removal has been civil, including Couy Griffin (2022).
* The relevant questions before the court are:
* Is the presidency an office for purposes of the 14th Amendment?
* Is a district court’s finding that Trump committed insurrection sufficient evidence to disqualify him?
* While a reversal is likely at this point, a finding of Yes to the first and No to the second would place Trump’s position on the ballot in fall in jeopardy, given the DC trial.
* There are at least a few people trying to spread the notion that the case has been dismissed because ‘it’s utter balderdash’. I’m open to being disproven, but thus far I’ve found only cases where the court punted, either due to lack of standing or a proposition that “primary candidates aren’t required to be eligible for the general election”.
* Trump being removed from the ballot does not ease our pains. Haley is stronger; DeSantis is at least running even. A non-Trump candidate has an overall better shot, relatively speaking. Doing it would be the right thing to do, but it doesn’t benefit Democrats in any way.
* The people who brought the Colorado suit are Republicans. Norma Anderson, the “Dragon Lady”, is one of the main plaintiffs here; she isn’t a Democrat any more than she is a Disney princess. Her terms in the state legislature were pretty remarkable.
Think that covers everything major I’d want to hit.
Motion granted! Meeting adjourned.
It would insane to see a Republican state remove this traitor. It’s the right thing to do. But it would be shocking.
My understanding is these motions only remove him from the GOP primary. Could he still run as an independent and be listed on the general ballot?
Does nobody see this backfiring? Republicans and conservative judges are convinced Biden is guilty of all the crimes already, what’s stopping them now from taking him off the ballot in Florida?
The ballot is no place for a traitor like Trump.
Wake me up when a state in the Deep South or Utah does it.
Republican groups coordinate their motions and file them in all states at the same time.
Now for all the rest to follow suit.
Trump will be barred from so many states he can’t win but the GOP will nominate him anyway.
Then they’ll complain that he “actually won” and try to seize power through violence. Classic move, Republicans!
Virginia’s Presidential primaries are on March 5th, Super Tuesday. Does anybody know when the primary ballots are finalized?
I can’t find that information on the Virginia Dept of Elections site; I wonder if it’s already passed?
All hell will break loose when a swing state is thrown into the mix.
Now we’re getting somewhere
Bad precedent, republicans will start doing the same regardless of their lack of justification. Anything we do can and will be done to us.
A district judge affirmed Trump incited an insurrection but said that it wasn’t clear that the 14th amendment applied to the presidency…just in case y’all forgot why it went to the Colorado Supreme Court.
I suspect more motions / cases to sprout up like this one after the CSC ruling across multiple states. Every one was afraid to make the first move; so dominos will start to fall now. This will all ultimately be decided by the Supreme Court. Either way, unless Trump wins the general election for the presidency we will see something similar to Jan 6th again – if I had to guess.
14th amendment baby.
People complaining about Trump not being on the ballot aren’t looking at the silver lining: Biden was only running to prevent Trump from winning. With Trump barred from the ticket and Republicans having to find someone else, Biden is free to leave office and let Democrats find a replacement.
In other words with Trump off the ballot Biden can be off the ballot, when he’s has a strong economy et al. A replacement Democrat can’t claim the economy.
Even conservative analysts have accepted that this is exactly what that amendment should be for. The argument that it doesn’t apply to the president is ludicrous. If the president of the whole country isn’t accountable to this standard then nobody is.
The Michigan Tapes™ may be (*may be*) the final straw. Like bailing water out of your canoe. One hole, okay…not problem. Two holes, well…that’s a problem but doable with some added effort. Three holes??
Abandon ship.
isnt Virginia a super red state tho??
As a life long democrat, this is so dumb. It’s literally what got him elected in the first place.
The dominos, they be a fallen
I don’t give a fuck about South Korea
So he won’t be on the ballot….how does this affect the electoral college? Can he still win without being on the ballot if he bribes enough electoral college members?
I really hope more and more states keep doing this, we really don’t need that dictator piece of shit becoming president again
Let’s fkn goooo!
Big supporter of the constitution?
You like things like the first and second amendment?
Then stfu and get behind the 14th bc this man disqualified himself from the presidency. Fact.
You can like him (you shouldn’t), you can send him money (you’re funding a criminal), you can attend his rallies (it’s a cult) but he cannot be president.
I’d love to remove him and his supporters from our country and to Russia where they belong
Would the Colorado decision itself be a precedent?
Why not just let the dude run and when he loses, we don’t have to hear from him again. Sick of hearing about all the energy put into making sure the next election will be as contested as possible, rather than figuring out how to make everyday Americans move on from barely living paycheck to paycheck.
Approved! Next one, please
Some are saying this is a Pandora’s box.i say, bring it on. It’s got to be better than whatever box we opened in 2016. As far as the “we should beat him at the polls, not in the courts” crowd, I say we need to beat him any way we can. Dude is the biggest danger to democracy we’ve seen in a very long time.
Eventually enough states will remove him from the ballot that he won’t be able to effectively campaign.
Why the heck isn’t my state doing this???
This one could actually hurt him.
Very scary territory we are getting into. Trying to remove a political opponent from the ballot because we don’t like him.
I thought republicans were the ones that were putting democracy in peril?
I’m not terribly informed in politics — couldn’t the same thing technically be done to any candidate running, say, a democrat president, if a Republican-driven state didn’t like them? Or is this only possible as a result of Trump’s insurrections and various other crimes?
I am still confused how the maga people don’t believe in the election process but still want to participate in the election. Seems like a logical fallacy. It’s like I don’t believe in Santa so I’m not writing him any letters, you know?
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Yes!
Now do Georgia, and Pennsylvania, and Arizona.
>“Mr. Trump has declared his candidacy for president again in 2024,” reads the motion. “However, under the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, Mr. Trump is constitutionally ineligible to appear on any future ballot for federal office based on his engagement in insurrection against the United States.”
True. True.
I hope we see a domino effect! Soon he won’t be able to win even if he sweeps the states dumb enough to leave him on the ballot.
Go for it! Anything to take the Orange cockroach down before he turns America into Nazi-Ville. The language in 14A is very clear.
its good .. trump getting hard hits
Because there’s a lot of misinformation floating around on this topic, let’s try to remedy a few points:
* Due process in civil cases requires a notice and a hearing before a tribunal. Trump got that. It’s unclear whether the Supreme Court will believe a civil case is a sufficient bar, but doing so would represent changing the threshold of severity for the case. Every other ballot removal has been civil, including Couy Griffin (2022).
* The relevant questions before the court are:
* Is the presidency an office for purposes of the 14th Amendment?
* Is a district court’s finding that Trump committed insurrection sufficient evidence to disqualify him?
* While a reversal is likely at this point, a finding of Yes to the first and No to the second would place Trump’s position on the ballot in fall in jeopardy, given the DC trial.
* There are at least a few people trying to spread the notion that the case has been dismissed because ‘it’s utter balderdash’. I’m open to being disproven, but thus far I’ve found only cases where the court punted, either due to lack of standing or a proposition that “primary candidates aren’t required to be eligible for the general election”.
* Trump being removed from the ballot does not ease our pains. Haley is stronger; DeSantis is at least running even. A non-Trump candidate has an overall better shot, relatively speaking. Doing it would be the right thing to do, but it doesn’t benefit Democrats in any way.
* The people who brought the Colorado suit are Republicans. Norma Anderson, the “Dragon Lady”, is one of the main plaintiffs here; she isn’t a Democrat any more than she is a Disney princess. Her terms in the state legislature were pretty remarkable.
Think that covers everything major I’d want to hit.
Motion granted! Meeting adjourned.
It would insane to see a Republican state remove this traitor. It’s the right thing to do. But it would be shocking.
My understanding is these motions only remove him from the GOP primary. Could he still run as an independent and be listed on the general ballot?
Does nobody see this backfiring? Republicans and conservative judges are convinced Biden is guilty of all the crimes already, what’s stopping them now from taking him off the ballot in Florida?
The ballot is no place for a traitor like Trump.
Wake me up when a state in the Deep South or Utah does it.
Republican groups coordinate their motions and file them in all states at the same time.
Now for all the rest to follow suit.
Trump will be barred from so many states he can’t win but the GOP will nominate him anyway.
Then they’ll complain that he “actually won” and try to seize power through violence. Classic move, Republicans!
Virginia’s Presidential primaries are on March 5th, Super Tuesday. Does anybody know when the primary ballots are finalized?
I can’t find that information on the Virginia Dept of Elections site; I wonder if it’s already passed?
All hell will break loose when a swing state is thrown into the mix.
Now we’re getting somewhere
Bad precedent, republicans will start doing the same regardless of their lack of justification. Anything we do can and will be done to us.
A district judge affirmed Trump incited an insurrection but said that it wasn’t clear that the 14th amendment applied to the presidency…just in case y’all forgot why it went to the Colorado Supreme Court.
I suspect more motions / cases to sprout up like this one after the CSC ruling across multiple states. Every one was afraid to make the first move; so dominos will start to fall now. This will all ultimately be decided by the Supreme Court. Either way, unless Trump wins the general election for the presidency we will see something similar to Jan 6th again – if I had to guess.
14th amendment baby.
People complaining about Trump not being on the ballot aren’t looking at the silver lining: Biden was only running to prevent Trump from winning. With Trump barred from the ticket and Republicans having to find someone else, Biden is free to leave office and let Democrats find a replacement.
In other words with Trump off the ballot Biden can be off the ballot, when he’s has a strong economy et al. A replacement Democrat can’t claim the economy.
Even conservative analysts have accepted that this is exactly what that amendment should be for. The argument that it doesn’t apply to the president is ludicrous. If the president of the whole country isn’t accountable to this standard then nobody is.
The Michigan Tapes™ may be (*may be*) the final straw. Like bailing water out of your canoe. One hole, okay…not problem. Two holes, well…that’s a problem but doable with some added effort. Three holes??
Abandon ship.
isnt Virginia a super red state tho??
As a life long democrat, this is so dumb. It’s literally what got him elected in the first place.
The dominos, they be a fallen
I don’t give a fuck about South Korea
So he won’t be on the ballot….how does this affect the electoral college? Can he still win without being on the ballot if he bribes enough electoral college members?
I really hope more and more states keep doing this, we really don’t need that dictator piece of shit becoming president again
Let’s fkn goooo!
Big supporter of the constitution?
You like things like the first and second amendment?
Then stfu and get behind the 14th bc this man disqualified himself from the presidency. Fact.
You can like him (you shouldn’t), you can send him money (you’re funding a criminal), you can attend his rallies (it’s a cult) but he cannot be president.
I’d love to remove him and his supporters from our country and to Russia where they belong
Would the Colorado decision itself be a precedent?
Why not just let the dude run and when he loses, we don’t have to hear from him again. Sick of hearing about all the energy put into making sure the next election will be as contested as possible, rather than figuring out how to make everyday Americans move on from barely living paycheck to paycheck.
Approved! Next one, please
Some are saying this is a Pandora’s box.i say, bring it on. It’s got to be better than whatever box we opened in 2016. As far as the “we should beat him at the polls, not in the courts” crowd, I say we need to beat him any way we can. Dude is the biggest danger to democracy we’ve seen in a very long time.
Eventually enough states will remove him from the ballot that he won’t be able to effectively campaign.
Why the heck isn’t my state doing this???
This one could actually hurt him.
Very scary territory we are getting into. Trying to remove a political opponent from the ballot because we don’t like him.
I thought republicans were the ones that were putting democracy in peril?
I’m not terribly informed in politics — couldn’t the same thing technically be done to any candidate running, say, a democrat president, if a Republican-driven state didn’t like them? Or is this only possible as a result of Trump’s insurrections and various other crimes?
I am still confused how the maga people don’t believe in the election process but still want to participate in the election. Seems like a logical fallacy. It’s like I don’t believe in Santa so I’m not writing him any letters, you know?