> Europe could face threats from Russia by the end of the decade, and EU countries need to build up their defence industries to be prepared, German Defence Minister Boris Pistorius said during an interview published on Welt am Sonntag on Saturday.
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> “[Vladimir Putin’s] threats against the Baltic states, Georgia and Moldova must be taken very seriously. This is not just sabre-rattling. We could be facing dangers by the end of this decade,” said Pistorius.
Hoping that’s not too late in and of itself.
You must not forget: unfortunately, we Europeans have a completely crazy and sadistic neighbor who hates everything about our democratic way of life. We Europeans should at least be able to defend ourselves.
They say, Ukraine is like Spain in 1936. A general test before what we know happened
Russia hasn’t been able to take Ukraine after how long and how many soldiers lost?
I don’t doubt they’d try, but it’d be (another) stupid move.
It’s really hard to believe when 90% of countries that say this didn’t see Russian attack in 2022 and refused to believe the USA.
Finally, a benefit of Brexit! /s
If Trump gets elected Putin will surely try to inch his way into the Baltics.
I mean, it’s what I would do if I was a Russian dictator.
What? Russias army is dwindling now. Putin won’t have any army to use. Not to mention, Putin will probably be dead in 10 years or so.
Whilst NATO is a reasonable deterrent at the moment it would be prudent to have contingency plans in place to better deter Russian aggression. We must also consider that even if the orange coffin dodger doesn’t get elected next year, an attack on Taiwan within the next decade is plausable which will very likely provoke a military response from America. If such a thing were to occur, I wouldn’t be surprised if Iran or any of their allies make a move on American interests in the ME. Stretched between the ME and the Pacific, a Russian invasion of Europe will likely take backseat, even if the Baltics invoke article 5.
No shit Fritz? Finally woken up to the cost of cozying up to Putin for 2 decades?
If they took Ukraine within two weeks I might be worried, there’s nothing to fear. Seems obvious they’re collectively pushing this line to gain oubli support for more Ukrainian aide. If some Russian general attacked Poland I think Putin would have a nervous breakdown
I mean, if you were European, wouldn’t you want your country to be ready for war? Two devastating world wars and now a big one on your doorstep would make me want to be ready. That doesn’t mean it’ll happen. Western Europe got complacent because of the US and now that the US might be more focused on China , they’re panicking
Every time I see the comments on posts like this I wonder if I’m crazy for still thinking that direct conflict between Russia and NATO = most of us dead and human civilisation as we know it over in a very short amount of time. Did armchair general Reddit get some memo about MAD that the rest of us missed?
This is war..huh,wow!
The challenge is to keep a conventional war from turning into a Nuclear War. Is Russia or the EU willing to accept defeat and surrender rather than use tactical Nuclear weapons. At what point does tactical become Strategic. Are they willing to abandon countries rather than risk it turning it into a greater conflict. We seem to be abandoning Ukraine for partisan politics, are the Baltic states next?
If EU will make Ukraine win by any means necessary, no Russian danger will be present for long long time.
It’s time to act. It will pay in the long run.
Well that’s fucking grim
I should think Russian aggression next time would be asymmetric in whatever form it comes most likely manipulation of social media, elections and cyber
Not that long ago that headline would have carried a completely different connotation.
This is what happens when we allow ourselves to be divided
So how and when exactly did we go from ‘russia,the paper tiger, is a second best army in Ukraine’ to ‘Russia is about to attack Europa after it destroys Ukraine’? These are confusing times indeed.
Seems like sabre rattling on the EU side, imo. I’m all for preparation, but I think Putin knows he can’t take on NATO. Russia’s economic future has been sold to try and take Ukraine. I also seriously doubt China is going to try and get involved, they have own crisis to worry about and they know Russia isn’t going to help them (Hence Xi coming to the San Fransisco with his tail between his legs and all smiles to Biden).
I have no doubt in my mind that if Russia is allowed to win in Ukraine, Poland, the Baltic states and Finland are next. Russia has some historical claim over all of these countries and Putin can and will leverage that as a cassus belli.
We have to help Ukraine win because if we don’t, it won’t be just money we have to pay. It will be blood.
EU, 2024: EU should prepare for war by end of decade!
Why would we risk an entire continent plunging into war and millions dying, instead of killing the one person responsible?
It needs to become acceptable to kill politicians over their actions. Make Putin an example and the world will be a better place. Dictators are selfish assholes and won’t start wars if it’s their life on the line.
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> Europe could face threats from Russia by the end of the decade, and EU countries need to build up their defence industries to be prepared, German Defence Minister Boris Pistorius said during an interview published on Welt am Sonntag on Saturday.
>
> “[Vladimir Putin’s] threats against the Baltic states, Georgia and Moldova must be taken very seriously. This is not just sabre-rattling. We could be facing dangers by the end of this decade,” said Pistorius.
Hoping that’s not too late in and of itself.
You must not forget: unfortunately, we Europeans have a completely crazy and sadistic neighbor who hates everything about our democratic way of life. We Europeans should at least be able to defend ourselves.
They say, Ukraine is like Spain in 1936. A general test before what we know happened
Russia hasn’t been able to take Ukraine after how long and how many soldiers lost?
I don’t doubt they’d try, but it’d be (another) stupid move.
It’s really hard to believe when 90% of countries that say this didn’t see Russian attack in 2022 and refused to believe the USA.
Finally, a benefit of Brexit! /s
If Trump gets elected Putin will surely try to inch his way into the Baltics.
I mean, it’s what I would do if I was a Russian dictator.
What? Russias army is dwindling now. Putin won’t have any army to use. Not to mention, Putin will probably be dead in 10 years or so.
Whilst NATO is a reasonable deterrent at the moment it would be prudent to have contingency plans in place to better deter Russian aggression. We must also consider that even if the orange coffin dodger doesn’t get elected next year, an attack on Taiwan within the next decade is plausable which will very likely provoke a military response from America. If such a thing were to occur, I wouldn’t be surprised if Iran or any of their allies make a move on American interests in the ME. Stretched between the ME and the Pacific, a Russian invasion of Europe will likely take backseat, even if the Baltics invoke article 5.
No shit Fritz? Finally woken up to the cost of cozying up to Putin for 2 decades?
If they took Ukraine within two weeks I might be worried, there’s nothing to fear. Seems obvious they’re collectively pushing this line to gain oubli support for more Ukrainian aide. If some Russian general attacked Poland I think Putin would have a nervous breakdown
Stop feeding russia and it won’t do shit.
Article 5 does NOT automatically mean nukes
Holy fuck are they going for a third round?
It’s not just about Russia, it’s about the EU finally building up its military that wouldn’t depend on begging for US help, whilst [falling short of spending even 2% of GDP on NATO in 2022](https://www.forces.net/news/world/nato-which-countries-pay-their-share-defence).
I mean, if you were European, wouldn’t you want your country to be ready for war? Two devastating world wars and now a big one on your doorstep would make me want to be ready. That doesn’t mean it’ll happen. Western Europe got complacent because of the US and now that the US might be more focused on China , they’re panicking
Every time I see the comments on posts like this I wonder if I’m crazy for still thinking that direct conflict between Russia and NATO = most of us dead and human civilisation as we know it over in a very short amount of time. Did armchair general Reddit get some memo about MAD that the rest of us missed?
This is war..huh,wow!
The challenge is to keep a conventional war from turning into a Nuclear War. Is Russia or the EU willing to accept defeat and surrender rather than use tactical Nuclear weapons. At what point does tactical become Strategic. Are they willing to abandon countries rather than risk it turning it into a greater conflict. We seem to be abandoning Ukraine for partisan politics, are the Baltic states next?
If EU will make Ukraine win by any means necessary, no Russian danger will be present for long long time.
It’s time to act. It will pay in the long run.
Well that’s fucking grim
I should think Russian aggression next time would be asymmetric in whatever form it comes most likely manipulation of social media, elections and cyber
Not that long ago that headline would have carried a completely different connotation.
This is what happens when we allow ourselves to be divided
So how and when exactly did we go from ‘russia,the paper tiger, is a second best army in Ukraine’ to ‘Russia is about to attack Europa after it destroys Ukraine’? These are confusing times indeed.
Seems like sabre rattling on the EU side, imo. I’m all for preparation, but I think Putin knows he can’t take on NATO. Russia’s economic future has been sold to try and take Ukraine. I also seriously doubt China is going to try and get involved, they have own crisis to worry about and they know Russia isn’t going to help them (Hence Xi coming to the San Fransisco with his tail between his legs and all smiles to Biden).
I have no doubt in my mind that if Russia is allowed to win in Ukraine, Poland, the Baltic states and Finland are next. Russia has some historical claim over all of these countries and Putin can and will leverage that as a cassus belli.
We have to help Ukraine win because if we don’t, it won’t be just money we have to pay. It will be blood.
Yes, zey should prepare for ze 4TH REICH!!!!
Russia, 2021: [Vladimir_Putin’s_December_2021_ultimatum](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin's_December_2021_ultimatum)
EU, 2021: lag.
EU, 2022: lag.
EU, 2023: lag.
EU, 2024: EU should prepare for war by end of decade!
Why would we risk an entire continent plunging into war and millions dying, instead of killing the one person responsible?
It needs to become acceptable to kill politicians over their actions. Make Putin an example and the world will be a better place. Dictators are selfish assholes and won’t start wars if it’s their life on the line.