Porsche saying their new hydrogen engine is the end of EV’s. Maybe the beginning of the end, I’ve said for a few years that I believe EV’s are merely a stepping stone and not the answer
Lol, hydrogen for the average vehicle is about as practicable as those free energy videos
Yeah, ok. Cool. I can charge my PHEV at home and I don’t need to pay $36 per kg and live in California to enjoy the benefits of a better and simpler powertrain. I also don’t have to deal with shortages.
FCEVs the future? Maybe. I see it happen for buses, trucks, semis, construction equipment, etc. Cars? Nah, brotha.
Bahahahahahaha
Imagine thinking that an energy storer as inefficient as hydrogen was the answer to anything 🤣🤣
If Porsche wants to roll out hydrogen infrastructure and make these cars I say more power or them. Ridiculous to think that this is currently a threat to EVs though.
I’d love to see hydrogen range extenders added to EVs though. That would be cool.
The Porsche CEO just needs to look at the poor sales of the Toyota Mirai to see the realistic future. A fuel cell vehicle is an EV with a small battery, electric motor, a tank full of explosive Hydrogen and a fuel cell that converts Hydrogen to electricity. Get rid of the tank and the fuel cell and add more batteries and you have an EV that you can charge at home instead of trying to find a Hydrogen fueling station.
EDIT: watched part of the video and it appeared more like a fossil fuel industry hit piece with wrong facts about EV sales.
It’s pure marketing hype. They just want to sucker people into thinking hydrogen is this great, new thing when it’s a failed idea we tried to get to work for decades without success. Is OP participating in the disinformation campaign against electric vehicles with this post?
As long as they can make (leaky exhaust ‘sporty’) vroom-vroom noises then Porsche drivers don’t care about the fuel price (and neither do other supercar drivers), from that point of view it seems a good idea.
Hydrogen is a great fuel for depot logistics. Refilling locomotives at rail yards, planes at airports, blending into natural gas pipelines, etc. The logistics of making it available at the retail level make it unlikely.
Also, the economics for hydrogen generators in the US are pretty mediocre.
Hydrogen is also a very leaky gas due to that smaller molecule. Hydrogen emissions continue to overall greenhouse warming. This suggests that distribution and retail uses for Hydrogen will be limited.
Why would you spend more energy making and transporting hydrogen? Not even to mention the storage issues.
Unless your hydrogen is coming from oil/gas…then it’s fairly cheap to make.
Batteries make far more sense unless there is a major breakthrough in electrolysis. Hydrogen does make sense for ports and such where you need essentially zero downtime or longer range.
I highly doubt it will be commonplace for consumer vehicles.
All the inefficiencies of hydrogen added to the inefficiencies of IC engines. This is just gobsmackingly stupid.
Hydrogen for cars is like betamax, and EVs are like SD cards. Aka, hydrogen was a stepping stone to EVs that we never bothered to take because it made no sense
Engines are already less efficient than fuel cells, and even those couldn’t win.
So no, betamax isn’t going to take off. Porsche is just trying to appeal to a tiny niche of people who are obsessed with engines like its their religion
At 0:05 the video says this engine might bring an end to the, “**Already dying** ev movement…” With a loaded and objectively false statement like that, it is really hard to pay any heed to this video’s content.
OP of this thread really want hydrogen ICE powered vehicles to be a thing for some reason.
Porsche seems to be delusional. Going back to an inefficient, expensive (in terms of car and fuel) and maintenance intensive technology when we have EVs? No, thank you.
Does it come with a free bridge?
Doubt
RemindMe! 5 years
And you will continue to say things that are objectively wrong.
Hydrogen production is inherently inefficient and wasteful. There may be some applications in heavy transport and aircraft. But EVs are radically more efficient and cheaper.
Fossil fuel companies want hydrogen to greenwash.
Hydrogen has a place in the decarbonized future, but mainly in applications where the chemical properties of hydrogen are useful, eg steel making. I think we can now say with confidence that hydrogen has no future as a general passenger fuel.
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Oh look…..a troll…….anyway
A Combustion Hydrogen Engine… doesn’t sound like a good idea. Combustion is inefficient and hydrogen has low energy density by volume.
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Lol, hydrogen for the average vehicle is about as practicable as those free energy videos
Yeah, ok. Cool. I can charge my PHEV at home and I don’t need to pay $36 per kg and live in California to enjoy the benefits of a better and simpler powertrain. I also don’t have to deal with shortages.
FCEVs the future? Maybe. I see it happen for buses, trucks, semis, construction equipment, etc. Cars? Nah, brotha.
Bahahahahahaha
Imagine thinking that an energy storer as inefficient as hydrogen was the answer to anything 🤣🤣
If Porsche wants to roll out hydrogen infrastructure and make these cars I say more power or them. Ridiculous to think that this is currently a threat to EVs though.
I’d love to see hydrogen range extenders added to EVs though. That would be cool.
The Porsche CEO just needs to look at the poor sales of the Toyota Mirai to see the realistic future. A fuel cell vehicle is an EV with a small battery, electric motor, a tank full of explosive Hydrogen and a fuel cell that converts Hydrogen to electricity. Get rid of the tank and the fuel cell and add more batteries and you have an EV that you can charge at home instead of trying to find a Hydrogen fueling station.
EDIT: watched part of the video and it appeared more like a fossil fuel industry hit piece with wrong facts about EV sales.
It’s pure marketing hype. They just want to sucker people into thinking hydrogen is this great, new thing when it’s a failed idea we tried to get to work for decades without success. Is OP participating in the disinformation campaign against electric vehicles with this post?
As long as they can make (leaky exhaust ‘sporty’) vroom-vroom noises then Porsche drivers don’t care about the fuel price (and neither do other supercar drivers), from that point of view it seems a good idea.
Hydrogen is a great fuel for depot logistics. Refilling locomotives at rail yards, planes at airports, blending into natural gas pipelines, etc. The logistics of making it available at the retail level make it unlikely.
Also, the economics for hydrogen generators in the US are pretty mediocre.
Hydrogen is also a very leaky gas due to that smaller molecule. Hydrogen emissions continue to overall greenhouse warming. This suggests that distribution and retail uses for Hydrogen will be limited.
Why would you spend more energy making and transporting hydrogen? Not even to mention the storage issues.
Unless your hydrogen is coming from oil/gas…then it’s fairly cheap to make.
Batteries make far more sense unless there is a major breakthrough in electrolysis. Hydrogen does make sense for ports and such where you need essentially zero downtime or longer range.
I highly doubt it will be commonplace for consumer vehicles.
All the inefficiencies of hydrogen added to the inefficiencies of IC engines. This is just gobsmackingly stupid.
Hydrogen for cars is like betamax, and EVs are like SD cards. Aka, hydrogen was a stepping stone to EVs that we never bothered to take because it made no sense
Engines are already less efficient than fuel cells, and even those couldn’t win.
So no, betamax isn’t going to take off. Porsche is just trying to appeal to a tiny niche of people who are obsessed with engines like its their religion
At 0:05 the video says this engine might bring an end to the, “**Already dying** ev movement…” With a loaded and objectively false statement like that, it is really hard to pay any heed to this video’s content.
OP of this thread really want hydrogen ICE powered vehicles to be a thing for some reason.
Porsche seems to be delusional. Going back to an inefficient, expensive (in terms of car and fuel) and maintenance intensive technology when we have EVs? No, thank you.
Does it come with a free bridge?
Doubt
RemindMe! 5 years
And you will continue to say things that are objectively wrong.
Hydrogen production is inherently inefficient and wasteful. There may be some applications in heavy transport and aircraft. But EVs are radically more efficient and cheaper.
Fossil fuel companies want hydrogen to greenwash.
Hydrogen has a place in the decarbonized future, but mainly in applications where the chemical properties of hydrogen are useful, eg steel making. I think we can now say with confidence that hydrogen has no future as a general passenger fuel.
💯
Oh look…..a troll…….anyway
A Combustion Hydrogen Engine… doesn’t sound like a good idea. Combustion is inefficient and hydrogen has low energy density by volume.
That video also sounds like AI wrote it trying to hype hydrogen. Saying EVs lack performance (they don’t), Sales are falling ([they are not](https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/electric-vehicles/chart-us-ev-sales-are-having-a-record-setting-year)), and don’t have infrastructure ([look at H2 fueling](https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/hydrogen_locations.html#/find/nearest?fuel=HY)). They a lot of proclamations with 0 backing support or evidence.