Sounds like he still thinks it’s possible but it will take a few years. Did he say in May when he thought 40k could be reached?
Anyone claiming we can get to 40k completions in a couple of years from the ~30k we’re at is assuming you are an idiot.
How to lose a election 101
This is the decline of Ireland. We had some good years in the Celtic tiger
We don’t have the labour , was looking into a self build , 2-3 year wait time on trades. All fully booked out we are maxed at 30k a year. This combined with large population increases ensures the housing crisis will get worse.
It will be under a different government as well. FG FG have been catastrophic with their housing policies.
Could we put in rapid-build modular homes for immigrant trades people? Then give preferential one-year visas to qualified Georgians, Albanians, Serbs, Armenians, Macedonians etc., give them free/subsidised accommodation in modular homes, and give them a special tax rate to lure them in. Would be a lucrative 1-2 years for them and help to alleviate labour shortages in Ireland.
Well this isn’t going to end well, folk will just get more and more angry and the government will try and deflect blame and responsibility.
OP, in May he said it was possible for this year, next year, what year?
For context, in the UK in the year ended March 2023, they managed 210k housing completions. Ireland is at about 30k, so 14% of the UK figure, with 7.5% of the population.
So we are managing twice as many new dwellings as the UK per capita already.
Any QS or builder will tell you the same. Not exactly news.
Days after a fellow minister said that we have no choice but to get used to a minimum of 15,000 international protection arrivals a year. Are they trying to drive people towards the far right?
This is an admission that the government is completely incapable of solving the housing disaster .
Especially when you consider we built 90k houses a year at the peak of the last boom
3 decade long career in saying things will take a few years, masterful if it wasnt so pathetic
If we’re going to say that the issue is a labour shortage then I still don’t think that excuses our government. I personally think that our education system gets far too much credit for the “results” that it produces i.e. amount of students that graduate through the system to third level education. It’s a simplistic metric and our entire education system is designed to service that figure. We do this by completely neglecting individuals within the system in favour of mass education techniques;
*Rote learn what questions could be on the exam —–> Rote learn the potential answers ——> Repeat answers in the final exam which can often account for 80 – 100% of your overall mark ——-> Use points to apply for college course.*
Our careers guidance often amounts to the counsellor asking “what do you enjoy studying?” and then saying “Oh you enjoy history, well here is the course code for a history degree”. Instead of linking peoples abilities, passions, or interests to a career pathway, we point them to a college course. I know countless people that didn’t know quite what they wanted to do and instead of delving into that and giving them options they are just told “you can always do arts”. Meaning they will either drop out because it’s completely unsuited to them or get a degree which requires a post-grad to be of any value whatsoever.
Why are we not leveraging careers guidance in schools to tell students about the jobs the nation needs and the life it can provide for them? I saw so many aimless people head off to college and waste years of the life pursuing degrees with no real world value when in reality as builders, electricians, plumbers, or carpenters they would have been earning great money and may even one day have their own business. You haven’t completely failed at life if you don’t go to college in fact in some of these professions you can earn more money than the average graduate will over the course of a lifetime. Also your skills will always have a practical value to society unlike many roles that are about to be automated out.
Having lived in Sydney for a number of years now I really think that we are lacking a viable equivalent to their TAFE colleges which offer incredibly professional certifications in everything from carpentry to radio production. School results are not required to enter most courses as they acknowledge that is completely irrelevant given it is a professional qualification. Courses pretty much directly link to a specific employment and there is no ambiguity about that. I know we have technical colleges at home but the way careers guidance counsellors pitch it to you is essentially that if you fail to go to a “proper” college you can go there. They don’t have the legitimacy that TAFE does over here. I once heard from an Argentinian friend that they had a similar system in Argentina where after school people are divided into technical or academic colleges depending on their aptitude.
We can’t continue to ignore the trades entirely and then hope that the appropriate number of trades people come through the ranks. Years of encouraging young people away from the trades has come back to bite us.
Do you know I can’t stand this eejit, but in this instance he probably is right we simply don’t have enough tradespeople at the moment to build 40,000 homes in a year but both this fella and Leo are culpable for this issue, they should have been putting plans in place 5+ years ago to ensure that enough homes could be built to meet demand.
Alas 5 years ago they were probably scratching their own holes, probably couldn’t conceive of how important homes are to ordinary folk as the pair of them already own their homes.
One thing they could have at least done is try to reform apprenticeships and make them more enticing, they are doing it now aiming for 10, 000 apprentices a year and it’s better late than never but there is still massive improvements that can be made in the sector. I know with some engineering apprenticeships that it is likely for you to be working on one side of Ireland and then sent to the other side of the country for 3 month blocks of studying which is frankly ridiculous and I would not be surprised if it is similar for construction apprenticeships.
Could you imagine how many more people might actually register for an apprenticeship if there were reforms undertaken to ensure that you could both work and study in the same region of the country let alone the same county but this would probably never occur to old Mícheál.
Was there not a headline over the last few days were going to be taking in 35k people each year? Pack of fuckin clowns
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> In May he said 40,000 homes was possible…
Sounds like he still thinks it’s possible but it will take a few years. Did he say in May when he thought 40k could be reached?
Anyone claiming we can get to 40k completions in a couple of years from the ~30k we’re at is assuming you are an idiot.
How to lose a election 101
This is the decline of Ireland. We had some good years in the Celtic tiger
We don’t have the labour , was looking into a self build , 2-3 year wait time on trades. All fully booked out we are maxed at 30k a year. This combined with large population increases ensures the housing crisis will get worse.
It will be under a different government as well. FG FG have been catastrophic with their housing policies.
Could we put in rapid-build modular homes for immigrant trades people? Then give preferential one-year visas to qualified Georgians, Albanians, Serbs, Armenians, Macedonians etc., give them free/subsidised accommodation in modular homes, and give them a special tax rate to lure them in. Would be a lucrative 1-2 years for them and help to alleviate labour shortages in Ireland.
Well this isn’t going to end well, folk will just get more and more angry and the government will try and deflect blame and responsibility.
OP, in May he said it was possible for this year, next year, what year?
For context, in the UK in the year ended March 2023, they managed 210k housing completions. Ireland is at about 30k, so 14% of the UK figure, with 7.5% of the population.
So we are managing twice as many new dwellings as the UK per capita already.
Any QS or builder will tell you the same. Not exactly news.
Days after a fellow minister said that we have no choice but to get used to a minimum of 15,000 international protection arrivals a year. Are they trying to drive people towards the far right?
This is an admission that the government is completely incapable of solving the housing disaster .
Especially when you consider we built 90k houses a year at the peak of the last boom
3 decade long career in saying things will take a few years, masterful if it wasnt so pathetic
If we’re going to say that the issue is a labour shortage then I still don’t think that excuses our government. I personally think that our education system gets far too much credit for the “results” that it produces i.e. amount of students that graduate through the system to third level education. It’s a simplistic metric and our entire education system is designed to service that figure. We do this by completely neglecting individuals within the system in favour of mass education techniques;
*Rote learn what questions could be on the exam —–> Rote learn the potential answers ——> Repeat answers in the final exam which can often account for 80 – 100% of your overall mark ——-> Use points to apply for college course.*
Our careers guidance often amounts to the counsellor asking “what do you enjoy studying?” and then saying “Oh you enjoy history, well here is the course code for a history degree”. Instead of linking peoples abilities, passions, or interests to a career pathway, we point them to a college course. I know countless people that didn’t know quite what they wanted to do and instead of delving into that and giving them options they are just told “you can always do arts”. Meaning they will either drop out because it’s completely unsuited to them or get a degree which requires a post-grad to be of any value whatsoever.
Why are we not leveraging careers guidance in schools to tell students about the jobs the nation needs and the life it can provide for them? I saw so many aimless people head off to college and waste years of the life pursuing degrees with no real world value when in reality as builders, electricians, plumbers, or carpenters they would have been earning great money and may even one day have their own business. You haven’t completely failed at life if you don’t go to college in fact in some of these professions you can earn more money than the average graduate will over the course of a lifetime. Also your skills will always have a practical value to society unlike many roles that are about to be automated out.
Having lived in Sydney for a number of years now I really think that we are lacking a viable equivalent to their TAFE colleges which offer incredibly professional certifications in everything from carpentry to radio production. School results are not required to enter most courses as they acknowledge that is completely irrelevant given it is a professional qualification. Courses pretty much directly link to a specific employment and there is no ambiguity about that. I know we have technical colleges at home but the way careers guidance counsellors pitch it to you is essentially that if you fail to go to a “proper” college you can go there. They don’t have the legitimacy that TAFE does over here. I once heard from an Argentinian friend that they had a similar system in Argentina where after school people are divided into technical or academic colleges depending on their aptitude.
We can’t continue to ignore the trades entirely and then hope that the appropriate number of trades people come through the ranks. Years of encouraging young people away from the trades has come back to bite us.
Do you know I can’t stand this eejit, but in this instance he probably is right we simply don’t have enough tradespeople at the moment to build 40,000 homes in a year but both this fella and Leo are culpable for this issue, they should have been putting plans in place 5+ years ago to ensure that enough homes could be built to meet demand.
Alas 5 years ago they were probably scratching their own holes, probably couldn’t conceive of how important homes are to ordinary folk as the pair of them already own their homes.
One thing they could have at least done is try to reform apprenticeships and make them more enticing, they are doing it now aiming for 10, 000 apprentices a year and it’s better late than never but there is still massive improvements that can be made in the sector. I know with some engineering apprenticeships that it is likely for you to be working on one side of Ireland and then sent to the other side of the country for 3 month blocks of studying which is frankly ridiculous and I would not be surprised if it is similar for construction apprenticeships.
Could you imagine how many more people might actually register for an apprenticeship if there were reforms undertaken to ensure that you could both work and study in the same region of the country let alone the same county but this would probably never occur to old Mícheál.
Was there not a headline over the last few days were going to be taking in 35k people each year? Pack of fuckin clowns