“War and peace side by side.” I gauge the mood in a small town sixty miles from Moscow Steve Rosenberg for BBCNews
“War and peace side by side.” I gauge the mood in a small town sixty miles from Moscow Steve Rosenberg for BBCNews
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by BkkGrl
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Seeing so many russians say “We don’t need this war” and “I wish the war would end” makes me think there’s hope for them yet.
Then they say “We didn’t start it” and I’m brought back to reality.
Incredibly sad. What a waste of potential and life.
translation is right if anybody doubts
Im sorry but isnt that what any person says when their country is waging war?
When the US was bombing Iraqis, people were voting for the leader that would bring gas prices down. When NATO was destroying Libya, people were much more worried about the 2008 financial crisis. As if they were saying “yeah sure, sure I want to stop killing innocent people, but let’s talk about the price of food”.
I don’t want to compare what Russia is doing in Ukraine to the above conflicts, because they are not the same, but the truth is that people don’t really care much about what their country does in foreign lands. It’s not just a russian thing. And this is sad.
I think, 5-10 years of counter propaganda if state policy changes, and 80% of “we did not start it” can be rewired completely. The same way as it was rewierd to current tertible state from early 2000s.
There has been a lot of Anti Russia sentiment ever since the war started. I have sympathy for the average Russian citizen who never wanted this but is unable to do anything to stop this. Think of how many of us would risk our lives to protest against our governments if the punishment would be to be sent to some black prison or the frontline of war. It’s easy to judge others’ inaction when we personally have nothing to lose.
I am almost certain that inflation on tomatoes and eggs was higher in old Portugal this year.
Even if some of them are in the wrong place (i.e. “Ukraine started it”), it’s still clear most of them did not want this war, even those sometimes in favour of Putin.
Does anyone in their sane mind cares that billion flies love eating shit?
Does anyone in their sane minds cares about what those people have to say?
We must remember the victims of this war are not only the Ukrainian people, but the servile, misinformed and silenced Russians as well
i’m not saying russians have it as bad as ukrainians, i’m stating the current state of mismanagement of the country which is affecting the life of many people who want nothing to do with war, please don’t overreact, you’re better than this
EDIT : pfff, you can’t hear reason so i’ll just let this comment die. make of that what you will, and happy new year
Remember that when russians say that they want the war to end, they mean that Ukraine is destroyed/subjugated and they win.
Russian here.
What was said in the video is absolutely true – the government is trying to create this weird duality where on one hand Russia’s invasion of Ukraine with hundreds of thousands dead is happening, but on the other hand, it is trying to make it seem in the cities as normal-life looking as possible.
An ongoing war – but with open borders and no new mobilisation (until the elections, at least), trying to lure in people with payouts instead.
War and peace indeed.
The cope is real:
“But we didn’t start it [the war]”
Buddy, your army literally invaded Ukraine, still is there. Unless you mean that anyone who doesn’t immediately buckle to your demands, literally starts a war with you, somehow.
Not even mentioning Crimea and Donbass incursions before that.
Here is to hoping that the Russian government is liquidated and that Russians can live freely, hope that dungeon of nations is balkanized post haste and that all colonized peoples in Russia are finally free.
Important reporting. Kremlin trying to make things seem normal while keeping up the state propaganda. When has it ever seemed normal in a country which has a war right on its border? Unprecedented times.
Steve Rosenberg’s portrayal of ‘War and Peace side by side’ in a small town near Moscow offers a profound reflection on the duality of human existence. It’s remarkable how peace and conflict can exist so closely, shaping the lives of individuals and communities. This piece invites us to ponder our own roles in fostering understanding and harmony. Thank you for sharing this clip, reminding us of the delicate balance we navigate daily.
This people had accept the war as a normal thing.
Wow, actual decent Russians! Who would have thought.
Can you post the source link to the video please?
Does Britain not have militarily recruiters like the US? I just want to know since he seems surprised to be reminded of the existence of militarily recruitment.
Has anyone seen Russia 1985-1999: TraumaZone by Adam Curtis?
Steve Rosenberg seems to be a nice guy
And then people doubt the polls that show support for the war because Russians are allegedly afraid to speak. The polls are real, and so is the support.
Here’s another similar piece, [The Majority Never Had It So Good](https://russiapost.info/regions/majority), first-hand account in English by a Russian historian of life in provincial Russia, where people’s everyday experiences and mindset, including their view on the war in Ukraine
I kinda lost any sense in watching it after “We were not those who started the war”
The problem also is that even if they do overthrow the current government how are they gonna replace it? And who is they? If you had millions of Russians charging into the Kremlin and killed everyone in there including Putin you’d essentially end up with an anarchy and the only people with power would be the police and the military. Who would install a new government? To do that you would need to have a pro-democracy paramilitary and they won’t just go out in the streets and tell the world who they are they’d have to be secret and plan an entire government to install after killing off the current leadership and on top of that they’d need the police and the military to be on their side so they don’t too get killed off. Basically you’d need a new Gorbachev which is the most realistic way Russia will move forward.
Just goes to show that not all Russians are bad. As someone who has a Russian mother I can tell you we are not all for this war. Especially the diaspora. When you get jailed and killed for going against the government then you will think twice before speaking out. Hopefully this shows that we are not all bad and evil, we are people just like you don’t forget that.
It’s depressing to see how beaten down the Russian people are. At the beginning of this war you had people who were so terrified to speak out or say anything against it and those that did were being punished. But now you see, old men, women and children, so exhausted with the reality of this special operation that they simply don’t have the will to pretend anymore. This was great insight for me to watch, Steve Rosenberg is a very intelligent man for conducting these interviews the way he did.