I remember this being a problem when I was in school a decade ago. Nothing has changed. It appears to have only gotten worse.
Five years ago, I had no math classes for my entire 6th year… How come nothing has been done to fix this in such a long time? I also recall of them striking every Thursday or something.
De meeste van die 1500+ vacatures zijn vervangingen van 3 weken voor 40% tewerkstelling die je over 5 dagen zal moeten spreiden of soortgelijk. Ik zeg niet dat dit de schuld van de directie is, maar wie zit hier op te wachten? In de privé kan je beroep doen op freelance zelfstandigen om ouderschapsverlof en dergelijke in te vullen, maar die bestaan gewoon niet als het op onderwijs aankomt. Het werk kan ook niet verschoven worden of later ingehaald, wat het een heel unieke situatie maakt.
De enige oplossing die ik hier snel voor kan bedenken is een statuut aanmaken per regio of provincie waar je (goed) fulltime betaald wordt door de overheid als leerkracht en dan brandjes gaat uitblussen waar geen vervangers gevonden worden. Zo ben je verzekerd van een fulltime loon, maar staat daar wel tegenover dat je van hot naar her zal moeten gaan. Als je downtime hebt kan je je ook verdiepen in andere vakdidactieken zodat je meer vakken kan geven. Maar ja, dat zou geld kosten en Weyts heeft net de beloofde investeringen uitgesteld tot wie weet wanneer.
Parents: “How dare you to fluk my child. What? You’re giving my child a B or C attest? Guess I’ll sue you”
Also parents: “Ghee, I wonder why so few people want to teach today”
I ll look at it from another perspective, in my school career (excluding university), i had max 5 teachers i consider as valuable.
Maybe we should stop to try and fill those missing teachers and start looking into digital schools where a darn good professor is teaching 100’s op pupils at the same time.
But what about the pupils that are struggling and need individual guidance? You can foresee that in a more flexible basis, and lets be honest you will never cover all (never was and never will be – thats life). That and the parents should put in some effort also.
In the country with the highest taxes in the world we face third world issues. Big fail for our governments.
Creates shit working conditions, shoots down all ‘side’ inflow from people with jobs and experience with diploma fetish, … is surprised there are not enough teachers. Idiots.
Private schools incoming… wAt We ZeLf DoEn, DoEn We BeTeR.
How about paying them more. All i hear from schools is that there is 0 budget for anything.
We allowed women to get higher education.
This caused a drain on the female side of teachers, (and nurses).
Those smart women are now a doctor , lawyer or business partner, or more.
And then a huge elderly group retired. That took some backbone out of a lot of schools.
The education program became more political dictated.
A lot of schools got centralised, and people don’t live close to work anymore. There is a lack of or immobility in housing.
And then not getting a fixed position early has hurt a lot. Boomers keeping their seats and newcomers had to run like dogs.
And i like it. Time to reform and get religion influence out of it.
I’m sure the math teachers did the math when it came down to the salaries in education vs on the private market.
Gelukkig heeft dit geen effect op mij. Al mijn leerkrachten zijn aanwezig en geven altijd les behalve eentje omdat we te chaotisch zijn. De meesten hebben wel 4/5 uur studie op een dag.
There’s a 10 years gap between me and and my younger brother and he went to highschool this year. It feels like the school system hasn’t bulged the smallest bit in these 10 years…
i’m not suprised. My wife wanted has recently (after working for 15 years) completed her education in ‘gezinswetenschappen’, something like maatschappelijk werk with another focus. She was offered jobs in schools, like ‘zorgleerkracht”. Only to discover that she would have to work in 2 different schools each week and on top of that, would be paid a few 100 (net) less than someone that does the same job, but has a teachers diploma instead of the diploma she has. On top of that, when transferring from “private’ to teaching, you salary will be the same as someone just out of school. That’s just not managable for someone with 15 years of work experience, 2 kids, a house,…
I propably oversimplified stuff, and i’m not saying that a teachers diploma isn’t worth anything. But applying for a job in education (even a supportive role), just didn’t seem worth it. She found something else quickly enough, 30% more pay and alot of benefits.
How much do they earn though lol. Mystery solved.
If the job’s crap, raise the pay. If the pay’s crap, raise the quality of the job.
I have quit teaching.
the pay is low and always late. the paperwork is mindboggling and it primes on the quality of the teaching in hierarchy’s eyes. to be nominated, you have to work 5 years full time in the school, then you are on a waiting list until someone die or goes to retreat. the catch is that no school give a full time. you have from two weeks to four months of partial work. so you have to work in several schools at the same time; with work count separated. Position opens regurlaly but they are reserved to naminated teachers. yes; to get a job you must first get a job.
you have to come and go to the Workless Administration to have enought money to eat. there is a at least once a year a problem with the contradictating paperwork. sometimes it come from a gambit from your director(s). in June, nobody know if you still have a job on september. in october, you receive a contract starting in septembre (so you are retroactively a social frauder), and you will be paid in decembre (BCS) while you battle the workless administration who want you to refund the only money you will receive in four months. an interesting side effect is that you cannot buy a home since you don’t have a real work recognize as such by the banks.
most adult cannot stand their two teenagers more than two hours a day. teachers are supposed to keep 26 of them quiet for 8 hours a day.
all material is old or broken, even brand new acquisition. the direction boast about their IT but there is nobody to reboot the server each monday or debug the obsolete desktop on which 3 or 5 students are supposed to learn together.
but the last straw was the when they propose me cursus I have no skill in. they says : “you have a master degree, so you can teach anything. here is a course of plastering and another of language”. I never plaster of my life and my knowledge of the said language was at awfully bad beginner level.
I quited.
when some directors phoned me in search of a stopgap I set conditions : payement at the last day of the month, every month, starting the first month. No director has this power.
​
And then I discover than to be jobless was far more rewarding than to be teacher : suddenly all the paperwork troubles stop and the money come without hassle. the administration actually start to respect you and you have acces to high grade professionnal trainings. I am now one of nine belgian specialists in a matter that imply IT, social relation, fiscal law (in which I didn’t have any knoledge before) and training. I laught every day and I wake up at 5h30 smiling to go to my work.
​
No regret.
Why not create and show some video lectures for those courses? Doing something is probably better than have them do nothing. Using someone passionate and interesting looking like a Tom Rocks [type](https://youtu.be/YqMelRryG8U) might help some students to pay attention, but failing that anyone might do.
I knew it was bad but when there are classes that aren’t taught during a whole year, we’re failing our children.
I had multiple (substitute)teacher positions in the same school for a year. Maths and science 3rd grade. I had lots of fun, great environment, loved working with young adults. After my master in physics I tried the education master after master. Biggest opinionated bullshit I have ever had to study.
I dropped out while I had 51 of the 60 points required for the master after master. 1 exam and 1 assignment extra and I would have gotten my master after master but I was no longer willing to put in the effort. Since the education master impacts salary quite a lot, I recall a month when the only available position was to instruct chemistry lab assignments (11 hours per week). I did not make 900 euros that month, while effectively working over 40 hours per week that month ( theoretical preparation, step by step plan, lab preparation, cleaning up the lab, grading). So much effort so little compensation, went in IT the next year and earn a multitude of what I earned as a teacher for basically less hours of work ( excluding vacation here). So yeah raising the pay for positions for which no teacher can be found ( maths and science for example) does not seem like a radical idea to me
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I remember this being a problem when I was in school a decade ago. Nothing has changed. It appears to have only gotten worse.
Five years ago, I had no math classes for my entire 6th year… How come nothing has been done to fix this in such a long time? I also recall of them striking every Thursday or something.
De meeste van die 1500+ vacatures zijn vervangingen van 3 weken voor 40% tewerkstelling die je over 5 dagen zal moeten spreiden of soortgelijk. Ik zeg niet dat dit de schuld van de directie is, maar wie zit hier op te wachten? In de privé kan je beroep doen op freelance zelfstandigen om ouderschapsverlof en dergelijke in te vullen, maar die bestaan gewoon niet als het op onderwijs aankomt. Het werk kan ook niet verschoven worden of later ingehaald, wat het een heel unieke situatie maakt.
De enige oplossing die ik hier snel voor kan bedenken is een statuut aanmaken per regio of provincie waar je (goed) fulltime betaald wordt door de overheid als leerkracht en dan brandjes gaat uitblussen waar geen vervangers gevonden worden. Zo ben je verzekerd van een fulltime loon, maar staat daar wel tegenover dat je van hot naar her zal moeten gaan. Als je downtime hebt kan je je ook verdiepen in andere vakdidactieken zodat je meer vakken kan geven. Maar ja, dat zou geld kosten en Weyts heeft net de beloofde investeringen uitgesteld tot wie weet wanneer.
Parents: “How dare you to fluk my child. What? You’re giving my child a B or C attest? Guess I’ll sue you”
Also parents: “Ghee, I wonder why so few people want to teach today”
I ll look at it from another perspective, in my school career (excluding university), i had max 5 teachers i consider as valuable.
Maybe we should stop to try and fill those missing teachers and start looking into digital schools where a darn good professor is teaching 100’s op pupils at the same time.
But what about the pupils that are struggling and need individual guidance? You can foresee that in a more flexible basis, and lets be honest you will never cover all (never was and never will be – thats life). That and the parents should put in some effort also.
In the country with the highest taxes in the world we face third world issues. Big fail for our governments.
Creates shit working conditions, shoots down all ‘side’ inflow from people with jobs and experience with diploma fetish, … is surprised there are not enough teachers. Idiots.
Private schools incoming… wAt We ZeLf DoEn, DoEn We BeTeR.
How about paying them more. All i hear from schools is that there is 0 budget for anything.
We allowed women to get higher education.
This caused a drain on the female side of teachers, (and nurses).
Those smart women are now a doctor , lawyer or business partner, or more.
And then a huge elderly group retired. That took some backbone out of a lot of schools.
The education program became more political dictated.
A lot of schools got centralised, and people don’t live close to work anymore. There is a lack of or immobility in housing.
And then not getting a fixed position early has hurt a lot. Boomers keeping their seats and newcomers had to run like dogs.
And i like it. Time to reform and get religion influence out of it.
I’m sure the math teachers did the math when it came down to the salaries in education vs on the private market.
Gelukkig heeft dit geen effect op mij. Al mijn leerkrachten zijn aanwezig en geven altijd les behalve eentje omdat we te chaotisch zijn. De meesten hebben wel 4/5 uur studie op een dag.
There’s a 10 years gap between me and and my younger brother and he went to highschool this year. It feels like the school system hasn’t bulged the smallest bit in these 10 years…
i’m not suprised. My wife wanted has recently (after working for 15 years) completed her education in ‘gezinswetenschappen’, something like maatschappelijk werk with another focus. She was offered jobs in schools, like ‘zorgleerkracht”. Only to discover that she would have to work in 2 different schools each week and on top of that, would be paid a few 100 (net) less than someone that does the same job, but has a teachers diploma instead of the diploma she has. On top of that, when transferring from “private’ to teaching, you salary will be the same as someone just out of school. That’s just not managable for someone with 15 years of work experience, 2 kids, a house,…
I propably oversimplified stuff, and i’m not saying that a teachers diploma isn’t worth anything. But applying for a job in education (even a supportive role), just didn’t seem worth it. She found something else quickly enough, 30% more pay and alot of benefits.
How much do they earn though lol. Mystery solved.
If the job’s crap, raise the pay. If the pay’s crap, raise the quality of the job.
I have quit teaching.
the pay is low and always late. the paperwork is mindboggling and it primes on the quality of the teaching in hierarchy’s eyes. to be nominated, you have to work 5 years full time in the school, then you are on a waiting list until someone die or goes to retreat. the catch is that no school give a full time. you have from two weeks to four months of partial work. so you have to work in several schools at the same time; with work count separated. Position opens regurlaly but they are reserved to naminated teachers. yes; to get a job you must first get a job.
you have to come and go to the Workless Administration to have enought money to eat. there is a at least once a year a problem with the contradictating paperwork. sometimes it come from a gambit from your director(s). in June, nobody know if you still have a job on september. in october, you receive a contract starting in septembre (so you are retroactively a social frauder), and you will be paid in decembre (BCS) while you battle the workless administration who want you to refund the only money you will receive in four months. an interesting side effect is that you cannot buy a home since you don’t have a real work recognize as such by the banks.
most adult cannot stand their two teenagers more than two hours a day. teachers are supposed to keep 26 of them quiet for 8 hours a day.
all material is old or broken, even brand new acquisition. the direction boast about their IT but there is nobody to reboot the server each monday or debug the obsolete desktop on which 3 or 5 students are supposed to learn together.
but the last straw was the when they propose me cursus I have no skill in. they says : “you have a master degree, so you can teach anything. here is a course of plastering and another of language”. I never plaster of my life and my knowledge of the said language was at awfully bad beginner level.
I quited.
when some directors phoned me in search of a stopgap I set conditions : payement at the last day of the month, every month, starting the first month. No director has this power.
​
And then I discover than to be jobless was far more rewarding than to be teacher : suddenly all the paperwork troubles stop and the money come without hassle. the administration actually start to respect you and you have acces to high grade professionnal trainings. I am now one of nine belgian specialists in a matter that imply IT, social relation, fiscal law (in which I didn’t have any knoledge before) and training. I laught every day and I wake up at 5h30 smiling to go to my work.
​
No regret.
Why not create and show some video lectures for those courses? Doing something is probably better than have them do nothing. Using someone passionate and interesting looking like a Tom Rocks [type](https://youtu.be/YqMelRryG8U) might help some students to pay attention, but failing that anyone might do.
I knew it was bad but when there are classes that aren’t taught during a whole year, we’re failing our children.
I had multiple (substitute)teacher positions in the same school for a year. Maths and science 3rd grade. I had lots of fun, great environment, loved working with young adults. After my master in physics I tried the education master after master. Biggest opinionated bullshit I have ever had to study.
I dropped out while I had 51 of the 60 points required for the master after master. 1 exam and 1 assignment extra and I would have gotten my master after master but I was no longer willing to put in the effort. Since the education master impacts salary quite a lot, I recall a month when the only available position was to instruct chemistry lab assignments (11 hours per week). I did not make 900 euros that month, while effectively working over 40 hours per week that month ( theoretical preparation, step by step plan, lab preparation, cleaning up the lab, grading). So much effort so little compensation, went in IT the next year and earn a multitude of what I earned as a teacher for basically less hours of work ( excluding vacation here). So yeah raising the pay for positions for which no teacher can be found ( maths and science for example) does not seem like a radical idea to me