Because France has such a rich tradition and expertise in Muslim theology. Whoop-de-doo.
Should be a EU wide measure.
Good decision. I hope here in Germany we will be ready for that step soon too.
After the incident involving the history teacher in France and the agenda pushers of Islam during protests, it is understandable. I hope this will convey the idea to some people that it is essential to respect the religious traditions, history, and morality of foreign countries.
What about Catholic Priests trained in other countries?
This should be the case for every country in Europe.
Maybe home grown imams are radical enough already, so no need to import them.
Huh, I’m more surprised it was allowed for so long. I guess France is writing the playbook for Europe as they go?
Finally, good on you France
Good idea
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Following in Germany’s footsteps..good.
For a wider context: you can teach Islam in many different ways and interpretations, including “normal” ones or those considered “radical”.
In the Islamic world countries have much more influence on teaching of their religion than Europe even before its secularisation.
Some Islamic states promote a specific teaching of Islam to pursue their goals. One infamous example of that is Saudi Arabia, which has been a sponsor of wahhabism, one such teaching. On one hand it allowed the Sauds their expansion, on the other – it is the extremist islamist teaching, from which more or less stem all the modern terrorist islamic groups.
Saudi Arabia has been promoting their teachings abroad. Mostly in Europe, among the newly formed groups of immigrant Muslims. Secular Europe, which naively did not interfere in religious matters. This led to their radical version of Islam being overly popular, leading to instability, terrorism and other problems.
Now, to fight this radical influence, France made the decision to no longer accept religious teachers trained by foreign countries (meaning Saudi Arabia but they didn’t want to be too harsh against just them). This will make the expansion of those anti-state teachings (literally, they for example support being disobedient against rulers not following proper Shariah) harder. It won’t stop it, but it is a step in a right direction
Unconstitutional af. For egalités sake we should have a headline next week reading;
France will no longer accept priests trained by foreign countries
It seems eminently reasonable that the Vatican should also no longer be permitted to participate in the selection of French Catholic bishops or to administer/provide funding to dioceses in France.
I’m a Muslim, and I wish they would do this as standard in all European countries, including my own, the UK.
In Islam there is supposed to be no clergy, so IMO, and according to the main schools of Islamic thought, anyone attempting to fulfil an ‘imam’ role in the first place needs an advanced level of education, of comparative religion and of the community they are operating in (in this case France, so they must fully understand FRENCH culture).
This is the correct and Islamic way.
It’s never too late!
Have they already cut foreign funding of Mosques? That has been a big concern of mine, this is also good however. Had not even though about this tbh.
This should be “any clergy trained by another country”, not just imams.
France should not accept imams at all.
Germany refuses to do so because „Islam does not belong to Germany“. So stupid to let DITIB train most imams
The question is why France need imams?
Too late france
What constitutes foreign trained?
For example, if someone French goes to a foreign country and studies there, like the Egypt Al Azhar University of the many Muslim institutes in the UK using their own money. Is this foreign trained.
Or does it refer to foreigners who are sent to France?
What’s good about that is that contradicting cultures don’t get mixed into Islam which millions of people in France practice because then that way those cultures can influence behaviour along the way and then when it’s called out someone can say “But I’m just practicing Islam!”. Islam and Christianity are very similar so it’s far from impossible for Islam to be integrated into modern society as long as cultures that are considered relatively archaic aren’t attached to it. And given Islam is a religion which requires everyone regardless of culture to comply with then it should be devoid of culture.
Good, freedoms can be easily exploited by malicious actors and need to be protected.
Unfortunately France (but also Belgium, Sweden and Germany) have been too careless for far too long forcing them to backtrack now and apply these kind of measures.
Does the same apply to bishops, rabbis, buddhist preachers etc?
There is TikTok anyway to spread the Muslim brothers obscurantism
Long overdue, also ban forgein money links to these mosques.
Foriegn countries? Good move. I feel this way it still feels neutral than stopping it all together.
This is against secularism (the state interfering in religion) but still I fully support it. We need this in every country.
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Because France has such a rich tradition and expertise in Muslim theology. Whoop-de-doo.
Should be a EU wide measure.
Good decision. I hope here in Germany we will be ready for that step soon too.
After the incident involving the history teacher in France and the agenda pushers of Islam during protests, it is understandable. I hope this will convey the idea to some people that it is essential to respect the religious traditions, history, and morality of foreign countries.
What about Catholic Priests trained in other countries?
This should be the case for every country in Europe.
Maybe home grown imams are radical enough already, so no need to import them.
Huh, I’m more surprised it was allowed for so long. I guess France is writing the playbook for Europe as they go?
Finally, good on you France
Good idea
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Following in Germany’s footsteps..good.
For a wider context: you can teach Islam in many different ways and interpretations, including “normal” ones or those considered “radical”.
In the Islamic world countries have much more influence on teaching of their religion than Europe even before its secularisation.
Some Islamic states promote a specific teaching of Islam to pursue their goals. One infamous example of that is Saudi Arabia, which has been a sponsor of wahhabism, one such teaching. On one hand it allowed the Sauds their expansion, on the other – it is the extremist islamist teaching, from which more or less stem all the modern terrorist islamic groups.
Saudi Arabia has been promoting their teachings abroad. Mostly in Europe, among the newly formed groups of immigrant Muslims. Secular Europe, which naively did not interfere in religious matters. This led to their radical version of Islam being overly popular, leading to instability, terrorism and other problems.
Now, to fight this radical influence, France made the decision to no longer accept religious teachers trained by foreign countries (meaning Saudi Arabia but they didn’t want to be too harsh against just them). This will make the expansion of those anti-state teachings (literally, they for example support being disobedient against rulers not following proper Shariah) harder. It won’t stop it, but it is a step in a right direction
Unconstitutional af. For egalités sake we should have a headline next week reading;
France will no longer accept priests trained by foreign countries
It seems eminently reasonable that the Vatican should also no longer be permitted to participate in the selection of French Catholic bishops or to administer/provide funding to dioceses in France.
I’m a Muslim, and I wish they would do this as standard in all European countries, including my own, the UK.
In Islam there is supposed to be no clergy, so IMO, and according to the main schools of Islamic thought, anyone attempting to fulfil an ‘imam’ role in the first place needs an advanced level of education, of comparative religion and of the community they are operating in (in this case France, so they must fully understand FRENCH culture).
This is the correct and Islamic way.
It’s never too late!
Have they already cut foreign funding of Mosques? That has been a big concern of mine, this is also good however. Had not even though about this tbh.
This should be “any clergy trained by another country”, not just imams.
France should not accept imams at all.
Germany refuses to do so because „Islam does not belong to Germany“. So stupid to let DITIB train most imams
The question is why France need imams?
Too late france
What constitutes foreign trained?
For example, if someone French goes to a foreign country and studies there, like the Egypt Al Azhar University of the many Muslim institutes in the UK using their own money. Is this foreign trained.
Or does it refer to foreigners who are sent to France?
What’s good about that is that contradicting cultures don’t get mixed into Islam which millions of people in France practice because then that way those cultures can influence behaviour along the way and then when it’s called out someone can say “But I’m just practicing Islam!”. Islam and Christianity are very similar so it’s far from impossible for Islam to be integrated into modern society as long as cultures that are considered relatively archaic aren’t attached to it. And given Islam is a religion which requires everyone regardless of culture to comply with then it should be devoid of culture.
Good, freedoms can be easily exploited by malicious actors and need to be protected.
Unfortunately France (but also Belgium, Sweden and Germany) have been too careless for far too long forcing them to backtrack now and apply these kind of measures.
Does the same apply to bishops, rabbis, buddhist preachers etc?
There is TikTok anyway to spread the Muslim brothers obscurantism
Long overdue, also ban forgein money links to these mosques.
Foriegn countries? Good move. I feel this way it still feels neutral than stopping it all together.
This is against secularism (the state interfering in religion) but still I fully support it. We need this in every country.