>The Russians have completely destroyed the museum dedicated to UPA (Ukrainian Insurgent Army) Corporal General Roman Shukhevych in Lviv on the birthday of Stepan Bandera. [1 January]
Another desperate attempt by a failing nation to destroy Ukraine’s history and culture.
I sincerely hope the museum had its artifacts packed down and stored somewhere safe. And that Ukraine does this everywhere.
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This museum was dedicated to a Ukrainian “hero” who was a Nazi and war criminal. One of the most disgusting people glorified by Ukrainians. I recommend reading a little [about this Nazi barbarian](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Shukhevych#World_War_II). He is responsible for thousands of brutal genocides committed against Jews and Poles.
>Prior to Operation Barbarossa in late June 1941, the OUN actively cooperated with Nazi Germany. According to the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine and other sources, OUN-B leader Stepan Bandera held meetings with the heads of Germany’s intelligence, regarding the formation of “Nachtigall” and “Roland” Battalions. […] Shukhevych became a commander of the Legion from the OUN-B side.
>Roman Shukhevych, a UPA commander, stated in his order from 25 February 1944: “In view of the success of the Soviet forces it is necessary to speed up the liquidation of the Poles, they must be totally wiped out, their villages burned… only the Polish population must be destroyed”
​
>It is estimated that up to 100,000 Poles were killed by the Ukrainian nationalists during the conflict and another 300,000 made refugees as a result of the ethnic cleansing.[56] Conversely, killings of Ukrainians by Poles resulted in between 10,000 and 12,000 deaths in Volhynia, Eastern Galicia and present-day Polish territory.[57] University of Alberta historian Per Anders Rudling has stated that Shukhevych commanded the UPA since the summer of 1943, when tens of thousands of Poles were massacred.
>Attacks on Poles during the massacres in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia were marked with extreme sadism and brutality. Rape, torture and mutilation were commonplace. Poles were burned alive, flayed, impaled, crucified, disembowelled, dismembered and beheaded. Women were gang raped and had their breasts sliced off, children were hacked to pieces with axes, babies were impaled on bayonets and pitchforks or bashed against trees.
*checks to whom museum is dedicated*
well, this thread is going to be interesting
I thought that was some valuable stuff but it turns out it was just Shukhevych’s museum.
Whatever I guess.
Military objective, comrades?
Good
Well, this might be the first Ukrainian facility struck in this war that I wouldn’t certainly miss.
Fucking bastard russian scum
Iran and RuZZia, two backwards countries combining forces to try and bring the rest of the world to their level of depravity.
Cry me a river.
That’s a great news. And it baffles me that ukraine has museums dedicated to nazi collaborators and war criminals.
I have no interests in distractions right now when support to Ukraine is the priority, as it only serves Russian goals to have distractions.
But one day, after this war finishes with Ukrainian total victory, Ukraine needs to have a conversation with itself about the UPA and Bandera, and whether such figures should be glorified in the 21st century.
Good.
In 20th century, because of Moscow Ukrainian lost 16 million by killed (predominantly children) and 8 million by assimilated on RSFSR territory.
So what happening now is complete analogue to what would do some Nazis officers to anything related to Holocaust if after WW2 there was on any lustrations in Germany.
Including by using false narratives.
“Ukrainian Nazi” it’s predominantly a very old “red herring” that used to divert attention from:
In 1920-1930s years USSR was main Germany supplier of anything what they needed to rebuild the army (including by Chinese and Japanese exports).
USSR trained tens of thousands of German officers, and created for them factories and chemical weapon laboratories.
By investing half of soviet GDP in weapon-production USSR give to Nazi main argument for their rise to power (during very strange passivity of very powerful German socialists).
USSR created for Nazis military bases on Soviet territory ([en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basis_Nord](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basis_Nord)), and pass by German warships (German auxiliary cruiser Komet).
By secret parts of Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, USSR allowed the Nazis to occupy Poland. In 1939-1940 years USSR supplied to Nazis up to 85% of Nazi Germany import ([en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_economic_relations_(1934%E2%80%931941)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_economic_relations_(1934%E2%80%931941))), saving the Nazis from the British marine blockade. Without of these supplies, firstly so scarce for Nazis fuel, there are no any WW2.
And so on and so on, orders of magnitude more “Nazi-supporting” than any what did Ukrainians.
You want to join NATO and EU and at the same time fucking Nazis are your heroes. Laughable. Russian propaganda is everywhere, no denying that. But Shukhevych and Bandera were genocidal maniacs who killed thousands of Poles. And not only Poles but also Jews, Russians, Czechs, Armenians and even Ukrainians who didn’t want to participate in the genocide. Your government didn’t even want to allow for exhumations cause they well know what (or rather who) would be found there
They wasted one of the Shahed rockets on this?
Nothing of value was lost. I’m from Lviv.
Now this is what I call denazification.
I`ve never thougt i wont condemn russian attack on Ukraine building. Obviously i hope no one died just building but onr thing Ukraine does wrong is gloryfying those nazi scums bandera and shukhevych and other upa bandits
Ha! Good riddance!
Oh no, not the museum dedicated to a utter scum responsible for genocide of more than 100 000 Poles. I don’t mind objects like that getting leveled to the ground. And we know there are many of them in Ukraine, because banderite worship and genocide denial is perpetrated there officially even on the highest government levels.
Finally, russia hit a valid target
Well done.
Reddit suddenly discovered that Ukrainians are Nazis?
Come on, at this rate you may suddenly accidentally discover dozens of videos of Ukrainians zigging, Wehrmacht crosses and swastikas on their vehicles, as well as torchlight processions (like the Nazis) and a monument to Bandera.
Ukraine has nazi criminals museums
If they will target viable targets like this scums museum I’m ready to start a fundraiser for more drones.
It seems russian tankies are happy to start this topic again and again. They happily rub their hands now.
If the museum financiers should want to restore the exhibitions dedicated to the museum’s hero, here is a small fragment concerning the actions of his UPA troops which could be used as his heroic motto above the entrance. From recollections of genocide survivor Maria Paszek, in 2016’s “Wołyń bez komentarza”, automatically translated:
*IT WAS 1943, we lived together with my parents and little sister Franciszka (b. 1940) in Volhynia. I was six years old. It was a time of mass murders by bandits. Most often they appeared at night – you could hear their singing and ominous shouts then. They set fire to buildings in selected villages. I could see the burning villages from afar.*
*We were warned by a neighbor, a Ukrainian. He said to my father: “Liszka, today run away, because they will burn your house and you. You must hide.” The other neighbor, as it turned out later, was murdering together with the Bandera bands.*
*They found out: tonight will be the Red Night. So he told us: “Run away.”*
*But it was already late. I heard singing, screaming, screeching. It was too late to run away and the night was already approaching, so this neighbor of ours says: “Liszka, stay the night with us. I’ll bounce a board in the barn for you. But if the dog barks, run away into the field, because they will also murder us.” He feared for the fate of his family, after all, those Ukrainians who followed the Poles were also killed. Dad kept vigil. Already that night we had to save ourselves by escaping and hid in a ditch where peat was being dug.*
*We did not run away from Musina right away. Father, moreover, did not believe that such things would happen. Other Poles fled earlier, we hid for a few more days. One night we were hidden in the ziemlanka (a cellar near the barn). Mother was somehow restless and says to father: “Come on, Wojciech, let’s go from here, let’s not sleep here.” We went to hide in a nearby tobacco field. And then the Ukrainians arrived on horseback. They had axes, pitchforks. They sang, shouted loudly – apparently they were drunk. They rushed into the house. No one was there, so they searched, running around. They approached the dugout from which we had just left. They threw in two grenades.*
*Many times at night we escaped, changed hiding places. We hid in tobacco, in millet, in peat. Banderovtsy also attacked more and more often during the day. I saw them going with their weapons: axes, pitchforks, scythes, knives. I have such an image before my eyes: they reached some girl, she was already big, older than me. They toyed with her, and then cut her with a knife near her knee and began to rip off her skin. She screamed terribly. They tore the skin from her, and one still said: “Here’s your Polish sock, bitch!”. They beat her, kicked her, stabbed her. And then they took her, stuck a stake in her mouth and nailed her to the ground. Before she died, she still tore up the ground with her heels.*
*Later, I remember: a little boy – maybe like me. He runs. Running away. His parents had just been killed. And this boy was running away, somewhere else, apparently he saw what was happening. And suddenly a Ukrainian woman ran out of the house and stabbed him in the chest. He screamed a lot. And she still grabbed him and slit his throat. Blood gushed out a lot.*
*Where they killed, they buried. Whether in the yard or in a ditch. And if they didn’t make it, that’s how everything lay.*
*They tore apart the tiny children. They held them with a shoe and tore them apart with their hands.*
*I remember, we were very thirsty. We came out of hiding and crawled quietly to a well in some courtyard. Mom wanted to draw with a bucket – and there in the well: full of drowned torn bodies of children. We didn’t drink any more of that water.*
*Do you know that when I went there, to Ukraine in 2002, I took everything, even water with me from Poland? I couldn’t bring myself to drink there. I don’t know why – was it what I saw….
I still smelled human blood in the water. Only later could I drink water there.*
No doubt multiple artifacts of extreme historical importance were destroyed.
*”Death, death to Poles, death! Death to Moscow, Jew communism! OUN leads us into bloody battle!”*
Now everyone can see what kind of news portal pravda.com.ua is. Very interesting how they introduced the person whom this museum was dedicated to.
It’s like talking about Hitler as a talented painter and politician from Austria.
– Free 45-minute documentary about the heroic deeds of Roman’s troops:
I don’t know about Galicia, but at least in Kyiv and Poltava (where my family is from), Shukhevych is barely known, compared to Bandera, and those that do know him generally aren’t proud of that fellow. Bandera’s more popular.
These comments, yikes
this sub supports Russia’s bombing of Ukraine now?
What’s next?
Fucking unbelievable.
Why does Ukraine have museums dedicated to war criminals?
Good job Russia.
Ukraine had almost two years to get rid of those shit nazi, genocidal “heroes”. They had a unique historical opportunity to replace them with actual heroes fighting against russian scum, but, as a Pole, Ukraine fucked up this situation. The anti-russian support will be there, but you can forget about joining NATO, EU, or anything closer unless you really do a 180 on your national attitude here.
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>The Russians have completely destroyed the museum dedicated to UPA (Ukrainian Insurgent Army) Corporal General Roman Shukhevych in Lviv on the birthday of Stepan Bandera. [1 January]
Another desperate attempt by a failing nation to destroy Ukraine’s history and culture.
I sincerely hope the museum had its artifacts packed down and stored somewhere safe. And that Ukraine does this everywhere.
[deleted]
This museum was dedicated to a Ukrainian “hero” who was a Nazi and war criminal. One of the most disgusting people glorified by Ukrainians. I recommend reading a little [about this Nazi barbarian](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Shukhevych#World_War_II). He is responsible for thousands of brutal genocides committed against Jews and Poles.
[source:](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Shukhevych#Nachtigall_Battalion)
>Prior to Operation Barbarossa in late June 1941, the OUN actively cooperated with Nazi Germany. According to the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine and other sources, OUN-B leader Stepan Bandera held meetings with the heads of Germany’s intelligence, regarding the formation of “Nachtigall” and “Roland” Battalions. […] Shukhevych became a commander of the Legion from the OUN-B side.
[source:](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia#Ethnic_cleansing)
>Roman Shukhevych, a UPA commander, stated in his order from 25 February 1944: “In view of the success of the Soviet forces it is necessary to speed up the liquidation of the Poles, they must be totally wiped out, their villages burned… only the Polish population must be destroyed”
​
>It is estimated that up to 100,000 Poles were killed by the Ukrainian nationalists during the conflict and another 300,000 made refugees as a result of the ethnic cleansing.[56] Conversely, killings of Ukrainians by Poles resulted in between 10,000 and 12,000 deaths in Volhynia, Eastern Galicia and present-day Polish territory.[57] University of Alberta historian Per Anders Rudling has stated that Shukhevych commanded the UPA since the summer of 1943, when tens of thousands of Poles were massacred.
A brief description of what these brutal murders [looked like](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia#Massacres):
>Attacks on Poles during the massacres in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia were marked with extreme sadism and brutality. Rape, torture and mutilation were commonplace. Poles were burned alive, flayed, impaled, crucified, disembowelled, dismembered and beheaded. Women were gang raped and had their breasts sliced off, children were hacked to pieces with axes, babies were impaled on bayonets and pitchforks or bashed against trees.
*checks to whom museum is dedicated*
well, this thread is going to be interesting
I thought that was some valuable stuff but it turns out it was just Shukhevych’s museum.
Whatever I guess.
Military objective, comrades?
Good
Well, this might be the first Ukrainian facility struck in this war that I wouldn’t certainly miss.
Fucking bastard russian scum
Iran and RuZZia, two backwards countries combining forces to try and bring the rest of the world to their level of depravity.
Cry me a river.
That’s a great news. And it baffles me that ukraine has museums dedicated to nazi collaborators and war criminals.
I have no interests in distractions right now when support to Ukraine is the priority, as it only serves Russian goals to have distractions.
But one day, after this war finishes with Ukrainian total victory, Ukraine needs to have a conversation with itself about the UPA and Bandera, and whether such figures should be glorified in the 21st century.
Good.
In 20th century, because of Moscow Ukrainian lost 16 million by killed (predominantly children) and 8 million by assimilated on RSFSR territory.
So what happening now is complete analogue to what would do some Nazis officers to anything related to Holocaust if after WW2 there was on any lustrations in Germany.
Including by using false narratives.
“Ukrainian Nazi” it’s predominantly a very old “red herring” that used to divert attention from:
In 1920-1930s years USSR was main Germany supplier of anything what they needed to rebuild the army (including by Chinese and Japanese exports).
USSR trained tens of thousands of German officers, and created for them factories and chemical weapon laboratories.
By investing half of soviet GDP in weapon-production USSR give to Nazi main argument for their rise to power (during very strange passivity of very powerful German socialists).
USSR created for Nazis military bases on Soviet territory ([en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basis_Nord](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basis_Nord)), and pass by German warships (German auxiliary cruiser Komet).
By secret parts of Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, USSR allowed the Nazis to occupy Poland. In 1939-1940 years USSR supplied to Nazis up to 85% of Nazi Germany import ([en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_economic_relations_(1934%E2%80%931941)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_economic_relations_(1934%E2%80%931941))), saving the Nazis from the British marine blockade. Without of these supplies, firstly so scarce for Nazis fuel, there are no any WW2.
USSR coordinated with Nazi their occupations ([en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestapo%E2%80%93NKVD_conferences](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestapo%E2%80%93NKVD_conferences)).
That in 1941-1945 years was 0,6-1,4 millions of Soviet collaboration, half of whom were ethnic Russians [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaboration_in_the_German-occupied_Soviet_Union](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaboration_in_the_German-occupied_Soviet_Union)).
And so on and so on, orders of magnitude more “Nazi-supporting” than any what did Ukrainians.
You want to join NATO and EU and at the same time fucking Nazis are your heroes. Laughable. Russian propaganda is everywhere, no denying that. But Shukhevych and Bandera were genocidal maniacs who killed thousands of Poles. And not only Poles but also Jews, Russians, Czechs, Armenians and even Ukrainians who didn’t want to participate in the genocide. Your government didn’t even want to allow for exhumations cause they well know what (or rather who) would be found there
They wasted one of the Shahed rockets on this?
Nothing of value was lost. I’m from Lviv.
Now this is what I call denazification.
I`ve never thougt i wont condemn russian attack on Ukraine building. Obviously i hope no one died just building but onr thing Ukraine does wrong is gloryfying those nazi scums bandera and shukhevych and other upa bandits
Ha! Good riddance!
Oh no, not the museum dedicated to a utter scum responsible for genocide of more than 100 000 Poles. I don’t mind objects like that getting leveled to the ground. And we know there are many of them in Ukraine, because banderite worship and genocide denial is perpetrated there officially even on the highest government levels.
Finally, russia hit a valid target
Well done.
Reddit suddenly discovered that Ukrainians are Nazis?
Come on, at this rate you may suddenly accidentally discover dozens of videos of Ukrainians zigging, Wehrmacht crosses and swastikas on their vehicles, as well as torchlight processions (like the Nazis) and a monument to Bandera.
Ukraine has nazi criminals museums
If they will target viable targets like this scums museum I’m ready to start a fundraiser for more drones.
It seems russian tankies are happy to start this topic again and again. They happily rub their hands now.
If the museum financiers should want to restore the exhibitions dedicated to the museum’s hero, here is a small fragment concerning the actions of his UPA troops which could be used as his heroic motto above the entrance. From recollections of genocide survivor Maria Paszek, in 2016’s “Wołyń bez komentarza”, automatically translated:
*IT WAS 1943, we lived together with my parents and little sister Franciszka (b. 1940) in Volhynia. I was six years old. It was a time of mass murders by bandits. Most often they appeared at night – you could hear their singing and ominous shouts then. They set fire to buildings in selected villages. I could see the burning villages from afar.*
*We were warned by a neighbor, a Ukrainian. He said to my father: “Liszka, today run away, because they will burn your house and you. You must hide.” The other neighbor, as it turned out later, was murdering together with the Bandera bands.*
*They found out: tonight will be the Red Night. So he told us: “Run away.”*
*But it was already late. I heard singing, screaming, screeching. It was too late to run away and the night was already approaching, so this neighbor of ours says: “Liszka, stay the night with us. I’ll bounce a board in the barn for you. But if the dog barks, run away into the field, because they will also murder us.” He feared for the fate of his family, after all, those Ukrainians who followed the Poles were also killed. Dad kept vigil. Already that night we had to save ourselves by escaping and hid in a ditch where peat was being dug.*
*We did not run away from Musina right away. Father, moreover, did not believe that such things would happen. Other Poles fled earlier, we hid for a few more days. One night we were hidden in the ziemlanka (a cellar near the barn). Mother was somehow restless and says to father: “Come on, Wojciech, let’s go from here, let’s not sleep here.” We went to hide in a nearby tobacco field. And then the Ukrainians arrived on horseback. They had axes, pitchforks. They sang, shouted loudly – apparently they were drunk. They rushed into the house. No one was there, so they searched, running around. They approached the dugout from which we had just left. They threw in two grenades.*
*Many times at night we escaped, changed hiding places. We hid in tobacco, in millet, in peat. Banderovtsy also attacked more and more often during the day. I saw them going with their weapons: axes, pitchforks, scythes, knives. I have such an image before my eyes: they reached some girl, she was already big, older than me. They toyed with her, and then cut her with a knife near her knee and began to rip off her skin. She screamed terribly. They tore the skin from her, and one still said: “Here’s your Polish sock, bitch!”. They beat her, kicked her, stabbed her. And then they took her, stuck a stake in her mouth and nailed her to the ground. Before she died, she still tore up the ground with her heels.*
*Later, I remember: a little boy – maybe like me. He runs. Running away. His parents had just been killed. And this boy was running away, somewhere else, apparently he saw what was happening. And suddenly a Ukrainian woman ran out of the house and stabbed him in the chest. He screamed a lot. And she still grabbed him and slit his throat. Blood gushed out a lot.*
*Where they killed, they buried. Whether in the yard or in a ditch. And if they didn’t make it, that’s how everything lay.*
*They tore apart the tiny children. They held them with a shoe and tore them apart with their hands.*
*I remember, we were very thirsty. We came out of hiding and crawled quietly to a well in some courtyard. Mom wanted to draw with a bucket – and there in the well: full of drowned torn bodies of children. We didn’t drink any more of that water.*
*Do you know that when I went there, to Ukraine in 2002, I took everything, even water with me from Poland? I couldn’t bring myself to drink there. I don’t know why – was it what I saw….
I still smelled human blood in the water. Only later could I drink water there.*
No doubt multiple artifacts of extreme historical importance were destroyed.
Perhaps even [copies of the popular OUN/UPA Anthem Book, with its famous refrain](https://old.reddit.com/r/PropagandaPosters/comments/17s5lrg/death_death_to_poles_death_death_to_moscow_jew/):
*”Death, death to Poles, death! Death to Moscow, Jew communism! OUN leads us into bloody battle!”*
Now everyone can see what kind of news portal pravda.com.ua is. Very interesting how they introduced the person whom this museum was dedicated to.
It’s like talking about Hitler as a talented painter and politician from Austria.
– Free 45-minute documentary about the heroic deeds of Roman’s troops:
[“Bury the Dead”](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVVRccerdW0)
– Film (censored by 20 minutes):
[“Hatred” 2016](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY-zOOjTO7U)
Russia kept word about denazification :O
I don’t know about Galicia, but at least in Kyiv and Poltava (where my family is from), Shukhevych is barely known, compared to Bandera, and those that do know him generally aren’t proud of that fellow. Bandera’s more popular.
These comments, yikes
this sub supports Russia’s bombing of Ukraine now?
What’s next?
Fucking unbelievable.
Why does Ukraine have museums dedicated to war criminals?
Good job Russia.
Ukraine had almost two years to get rid of those shit nazi, genocidal “heroes”. They had a unique historical opportunity to replace them with actual heroes fighting against russian scum, but, as a Pole, Ukraine fucked up this situation. The anti-russian support will be there, but you can forget about joining NATO, EU, or anything closer unless you really do a 180 on your national attitude here.