If anything Fetterman is picking up fans from both parties. Ill take it.
Sinema is in legit danger of losing her seat, and would be in even worse danger if one of her opponents wasn’t a raging lunatic. Fetterman isn’t. If we ran another election tomorrow, he would win by a larger margin than last time.
Outside of his position on Israel/Gaza, what have his positions been on other progressive issues?
Fetterman is a statewide politician and for PA is about as progressive as it’s going to get.
This is a weird comparison. Fetterman seems to be advertising off his behavior (which I do still take some issue with, but still), and Sinema outright turned on her positions (despite the articles claim). While I don’t agree with a lot of what Fetterman says lately, it’s not really political policy in most cases so much as PR.
Of course he isn’t. The only people pushing this narrative are far-lefties who are against his support of Israel and Palestine, and right-righties who see an opportunity to divide the left away from Fetterman.
Ah yes the business insider corporate propaganda submission. Flaming garbage word salad.
I mean, he’s one of the few saying we should get rid of the filibuster, no?
People get so worked up about social media and public statements. How does he vote? That’s the job.
Yeah, Fetterman has principles and integrity.
Knocked on doors for Fetterman, and I love him more now than I did before. Zero regrets.
Pro-union.
Pro-choice.
Pro -Israel.
lol outside of people’s little bubble he’s probably more popular than ever and won over a lot of moderate PA voters in the last two months.
Fetterman has pretty much lined up with me down the line all year long. I’m voting for him again.
We shouldn’t even be talking about Fetterman while insurrectionists are still in Congress.
Sinema was one of the main forces disrupting a lot of progress between 2020 and 2022, with reports that there where a few deals the democrats where close to making a deal with Manchin several times that Sinema disrupted. And this is was across a wide range of economic issues. Whats more, she behaved much more like a deep red senator than figures like Tester or Brown, and yet alone someone like Kelly from her own state. (Note, that neither Tester or Kelly have any real claim the progressive label, and Brown is somewhat mixed).
Fettermans policy on Israel is the same that it was when he a progressive champion. I don’t like it, but this isn’t some grand betrayal. Its the result of having to pick the best of flawed candidates.
As an aside, one thing I will absolutely give to the progressive crowd is that I think the democrats have been in denial about the rifts within itself and its voter base over the issue of Israel/ Palenstine and so haven’t been able to handle a situation like the current conflict with out further exasperating issues. Democrats have for decades been trying to court young voter and Muslims into their voter base, but haven’t facilitated healthy discussions within its party to allow these opposing views to be voiced. For example, Talibs rhetoric hasn’t always been helpful or responsible, but she is seeing thousands of her fellow Palestinians being slaughtered by a country that her current president has bypassed congress to sell arms to, that the US has supported pretty unconditionally for decades. Regardless of your views on the current conflict, here needs to me room within the democratic party for that pain – a similar pain felt by a key demographic that the Democrats have been courting for decades and was a key demographic for the fight back against Trump – to be voiced, even if its imperfectly, and taken seriously.
I think if the democrats are able to reconcile and survive 2024 they are in a situation to be a uniquely positive force on Israel/ Palestine after the war, due to having to be held accountable to both Jewish and Establishment voters and the younger and Muslim voters within their own party. As longa s there is the reconciliation and AIPAC doesn’t get its way
The people screaming about Fetterman are dumb. He’s not Sinema, and he’s not Joe Manchin, and he’s not Dr. Oz. The guy has done more good that any of those I’ve mentioned even in his short career
I mean even if it were true I would rather have Sinema than Dr. fucking Oz
What on Earth? Not even in the same galaxy
The idea Fetterman is ANYTHING like her is laughable.
I’m from PA and am proud of the job he’s been doing.
He’s the furthest thing from Sinema in Washington. Sinema has no actual values and is for sale. Fetterman won’t give up his values, no matter how much they diverge from his base.
Get rid of every Sinema and replace them with a Fetterman. Even if I don’t like their position on todays crisis, I’m confident we’ll be overall better off next year.
Whoever thinks this is an idiot purist who posts it all over social media from their iPhones made by poorly paid Asian workers.
Fetterman’s position on the Middle East may not resonate with a person, but throwing him in the same camp as Sinema is some bs.
Not even comparable.
Sinema was a corporate sellout pretending to be a progressive. Fetterman is a traditional liberal pretending to be a progressive.
Yeah he supports the country that has been under attack since it’s foundation.
What a monster.
Fetterman is pro-Israel.
Republicans are anti-Muslim.
If I lived in his district, I know my personal choice in who I’d vote for.
Fetterman is his own person. Not only is he not the problem, he’s right to say Democrats need to support the President. It’s too important.
I think the comparison is just coming from the fact that he ran as a progressive, and now has the gall to just say “I am not a progressive.”
So… why did you run on that then?
And no, I don’t think he’s as bad as Sinema, but I definitely understand why some progressives have been annoyed with some of Fetterman’s flip-flops.
I voted for Sienna for everything up to her senate seat. Was going to until she switched her rhetoric to respond to the right wing’s racism about the border. She’s done nothing to make me think I was wrong, though my spouse is way over my “told you so’s”
Fetterman rocks. I’d wager he’d win by a larger margin now than when he was initially elected.
When the hell was Fetterman ever deserving of this comparison?
Honestly? Good. I’m glad he’s pushing back against the utterly braindead elements on the left who are trying to paint Palestine as purely innocent victims of evil Israeli aggression. I consider myself a progressive, but every time I see another progressive waving a Palestinian flag, my eyes want to roll right out of their sockets.
I am in no way trying to justify the actions of the IDF. Believe me, I hold Netanyahu just as accountable for this conflict as Hamas. People need to take a hard look at who they are championing, though. This is a society that stands against every single social cause that progressives hold dear. Women are property. LGBTQ people are punished by death. Shariah law is the law. They care little for their civilian populace, and use them as martyrs to encourage more bloodshed. Bloodshed not just against Israeli oppressors, but against all Jews across the world. That’s the big one. Hamas, which is the authority in Gaza, does not want freedom from Israel. They want the death of all Jews. They want the genocide that people are so fond of accusing anyone who defends Israel of supporting.
We as humans are so desperate for things to be black and white. We want a good guy to cheer for and a bad guy to jeer at. Something like Russia invading Ukraine gives us that for sure. It’s easy and morally correct to be on Ukraine’s side. But Israel and Palestine is not even remotely the same kind of conflict, and a lot of people just cannot handle the concept of there being no good guys here. So they start defending villains.
Yes. Israel is a complicated topic. Writing him off because of it is childish.
How are people trying to correlate these 2, she sucks, Fetterman comes off as dare I say it, reasonable and relatable.
A liberal has a sensible opinion that doesnt play well on tiktok.
Progressives: He was always a DINO!!!
Hmmmm one of these is a thoughtful intelligent man; The other is a drama queen who seeks money.
He has opinions that aren’t necessarily party-line only, or based on solely on polling.
Trying to vilify him for being an outsider with his own opinions will be an interesting storyline.
So what ideological purity test did Fetterman fail?
Politicians can’t do everything I want. That’s okay.
I don’t need a perfect candidate who doesn’t exist, just one that closely aligns with most of my ideals
I voted for him. Yeah he’s got bad aspects, but the alternative was so much worse.
Personality means nothing.
Voting record is all the matters.
People are legit dumb, fetterman is great
Lol. You’re right. He’s showing he’s worse. The man flat out lied and as a supporter, it’s disappointing. Hope he gets primaried by someone better.
He’s a New Deal Democrat and supports a range of left policy positions. Unfortunately “progressive” has become synonymous with “identity politics” and a focus on policing language, access to “appropriate” bathrooms, and the correct use of pronouns.
For one, that man has never done any insider trading To our knowledge, and if so it’s been done by the books. Two, he would never betray the vow made to the Constitution. He’s kept his word and demonstrated courageously and with grace what living with a mental illness is like.
I love him for it and applaud him for his bravery.
Fetterman has always, and will continue, represented the people of his constituency with honor. No, he is not perfect. No one is. But he’s a man of the people, ethical and honorable.
Fetterman is just honest on his policies whether they fit a preconceived idea of what a democrat should be or not. He doesn’t pander to a base or work in fear of a maniacal voting bloc.
He’s the kind of politician we should all have representing us.
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If anything Fetterman is picking up fans from both parties. Ill take it.
Sinema is in legit danger of losing her seat, and would be in even worse danger if one of her opponents wasn’t a raging lunatic. Fetterman isn’t. If we ran another election tomorrow, he would win by a larger margin than last time.
Outside of his position on Israel/Gaza, what have his positions been on other progressive issues?
Fetterman is a statewide politician and for PA is about as progressive as it’s going to get.
This is a weird comparison. Fetterman seems to be advertising off his behavior (which I do still take some issue with, but still), and Sinema outright turned on her positions (despite the articles claim). While I don’t agree with a lot of what Fetterman says lately, it’s not really political policy in most cases so much as PR.
Of course he isn’t. The only people pushing this narrative are far-lefties who are against his support of Israel and Palestine, and right-righties who see an opportunity to divide the left away from Fetterman.
Ah yes the business insider corporate propaganda submission. Flaming garbage word salad.
I mean, he’s one of the few saying we should get rid of the filibuster, no?
People get so worked up about social media and public statements. How does he vote? That’s the job.
Yeah, Fetterman has principles and integrity.
Knocked on doors for Fetterman, and I love him more now than I did before. Zero regrets.
Pro-union.
Pro-choice.
Pro -Israel.
lol outside of people’s little bubble he’s probably more popular than ever and won over a lot of moderate PA voters in the last two months.
Fetterman has pretty much lined up with me down the line all year long. I’m voting for him again.
We shouldn’t even be talking about Fetterman while insurrectionists are still in Congress.
Sinema was one of the main forces disrupting a lot of progress between 2020 and 2022, with reports that there where a few deals the democrats where close to making a deal with Manchin several times that Sinema disrupted. And this is was across a wide range of economic issues. Whats more, she behaved much more like a deep red senator than figures like Tester or Brown, and yet alone someone like Kelly from her own state. (Note, that neither Tester or Kelly have any real claim the progressive label, and Brown is somewhat mixed).
Fettermans policy on Israel is the same that it was when he a progressive champion. I don’t like it, but this isn’t some grand betrayal. Its the result of having to pick the best of flawed candidates.
As an aside, one thing I will absolutely give to the progressive crowd is that I think the democrats have been in denial about the rifts within itself and its voter base over the issue of Israel/ Palenstine and so haven’t been able to handle a situation like the current conflict with out further exasperating issues. Democrats have for decades been trying to court young voter and Muslims into their voter base, but haven’t facilitated healthy discussions within its party to allow these opposing views to be voiced. For example, Talibs rhetoric hasn’t always been helpful or responsible, but she is seeing thousands of her fellow Palestinians being slaughtered by a country that her current president has bypassed congress to sell arms to, that the US has supported pretty unconditionally for decades. Regardless of your views on the current conflict, here needs to me room within the democratic party for that pain – a similar pain felt by a key demographic that the Democrats have been courting for decades and was a key demographic for the fight back against Trump – to be voiced, even if its imperfectly, and taken seriously.
I think if the democrats are able to reconcile and survive 2024 they are in a situation to be a uniquely positive force on Israel/ Palestine after the war, due to having to be held accountable to both Jewish and Establishment voters and the younger and Muslim voters within their own party. As longa s there is the reconciliation and AIPAC doesn’t get its way
The people screaming about Fetterman are dumb. He’s not Sinema, and he’s not Joe Manchin, and he’s not Dr. Oz. The guy has done more good that any of those I’ve mentioned even in his short career
I mean even if it were true I would rather have Sinema than Dr. fucking Oz
What on Earth? Not even in the same galaxy
The idea Fetterman is ANYTHING like her is laughable.
I’m from PA and am proud of the job he’s been doing.
He’s the furthest thing from Sinema in Washington. Sinema has no actual values and is for sale. Fetterman won’t give up his values, no matter how much they diverge from his base.
Get rid of every Sinema and replace them with a Fetterman. Even if I don’t like their position on todays crisis, I’m confident we’ll be overall better off next year.
Whoever thinks this is an idiot purist who posts it all over social media from their iPhones made by poorly paid Asian workers.
Fetterman’s position on the Middle East may not resonate with a person, but throwing him in the same camp as Sinema is some bs.
Not even comparable.
Sinema was a corporate sellout pretending to be a progressive. Fetterman is a traditional liberal pretending to be a progressive.
Yeah he supports the country that has been under attack since it’s foundation.
What a monster.
Fetterman is pro-Israel.
Republicans are anti-Muslim.
If I lived in his district, I know my personal choice in who I’d vote for.
Fetterman is his own person. Not only is he not the problem, he’s right to say Democrats need to support the President. It’s too important.
I think the comparison is just coming from the fact that he ran as a progressive, and now has the gall to just say “I am not a progressive.”
So… why did you run on that then?
And no, I don’t think he’s as bad as Sinema, but I definitely understand why some progressives have been annoyed with some of Fetterman’s flip-flops.
I voted for Sienna for everything up to her senate seat. Was going to until she switched her rhetoric to respond to the right wing’s racism about the border. She’s done nothing to make me think I was wrong, though my spouse is way over my “told you so’s”
Fetterman rocks. I’d wager he’d win by a larger margin now than when he was initially elected.
When the hell was Fetterman ever deserving of this comparison?
Honestly? Good. I’m glad he’s pushing back against the utterly braindead elements on the left who are trying to paint Palestine as purely innocent victims of evil Israeli aggression. I consider myself a progressive, but every time I see another progressive waving a Palestinian flag, my eyes want to roll right out of their sockets.
I am in no way trying to justify the actions of the IDF. Believe me, I hold Netanyahu just as accountable for this conflict as Hamas. People need to take a hard look at who they are championing, though. This is a society that stands against every single social cause that progressives hold dear. Women are property. LGBTQ people are punished by death. Shariah law is the law. They care little for their civilian populace, and use them as martyrs to encourage more bloodshed. Bloodshed not just against Israeli oppressors, but against all Jews across the world. That’s the big one. Hamas, which is the authority in Gaza, does not want freedom from Israel. They want the death of all Jews. They want the genocide that people are so fond of accusing anyone who defends Israel of supporting.
We as humans are so desperate for things to be black and white. We want a good guy to cheer for and a bad guy to jeer at. Something like Russia invading Ukraine gives us that for sure. It’s easy and morally correct to be on Ukraine’s side. But Israel and Palestine is not even remotely the same kind of conflict, and a lot of people just cannot handle the concept of there being no good guys here. So they start defending villains.
Yes. Israel is a complicated topic. Writing him off because of it is childish.
How are people trying to correlate these 2, she sucks, Fetterman comes off as dare I say it, reasonable and relatable.
A liberal has a sensible opinion that doesnt play well on tiktok.
Progressives: He was always a DINO!!!
Hmmmm one of these is a thoughtful intelligent man; The other is a drama queen who seeks money.
He has opinions that aren’t necessarily party-line only, or based on solely on polling.
Trying to vilify him for being an outsider with his own opinions will be an interesting storyline.
So what ideological purity test did Fetterman fail?
Politicians can’t do everything I want. That’s okay.
I don’t need a perfect candidate who doesn’t exist, just one that closely aligns with most of my ideals
I voted for him. Yeah he’s got bad aspects, but the alternative was so much worse.
Personality means nothing.
Voting record is all the matters.
People are legit dumb, fetterman is great
Lol. You’re right. He’s showing he’s worse. The man flat out lied and as a supporter, it’s disappointing. Hope he gets primaried by someone better.
He’s a New Deal Democrat and supports a range of left policy positions. Unfortunately “progressive” has become synonymous with “identity politics” and a focus on policing language, access to “appropriate” bathrooms, and the correct use of pronouns.
For one, that man has never done any insider trading To our knowledge, and if so it’s been done by the books. Two, he would never betray the vow made to the Constitution. He’s kept his word and demonstrated courageously and with grace what living with a mental illness is like.
I love him for it and applaud him for his bravery.
Fetterman has always, and will continue, represented the people of his constituency with honor. No, he is not perfect. No one is. But he’s a man of the people, ethical and honorable.
Fetterman is just honest on his policies whether they fit a preconceived idea of what a democrat should be or not. He doesn’t pander to a base or work in fear of a maniacal voting bloc.
He’s the kind of politician we should all have representing us.