So all the lockdown measures worked to some degree. Fantastic news.
Plandemic, ammi right?!
Well done us.
I’d reckon the vast majority of people who died with COVID would have died within the year anyway as the majority of them were elderly with underlying conditions.
What the lockdowns achieved was stopping the spread to other vulnerable people whose life was not in danger but if they got COVID it could have killed them. Now with the less dangerous variants and the vaccines these people can get COVID and it will hit them harder than the rest but it won’t kill them.
I think we handled the pandemic alright some crazy decisions made but it was a once in a 100 years event so hopefully by the next pandemic we will be better prepared.
Compared to the UK which is the obvious comparison we handled it well.
Lots of things we could have done better but our peaks where not as bad as others.
Just drive past any cemetery. Dozens of new graves, I’ve never seen as many new graves in the local graveyards in my life, in just one rural graveyard in a village of I’d say about 500 people there are 18 new graves. Not saying it’s this or that,but it’s definitely odd.
Well done Fine Gael and Leo
Does everyone remember where they were when they announced we’d beaten covid and the pandemic was over? Yeah me neither.
Well that’s some good news.
We have to remember that we had an incredibly strict covid policy (apart from winter 2020) in which we erred on the side of caution when other countries balanced freedoms with covid a lot more.
Yes good news that we had zero excess deaths, but we did undergo a greater restriction to ordinary life than a lot of other European countries.
Nice to know, I wonder what the vax stats are like.
I remember getting very upset at people online over saying no one ever dropped dead before the vax when I had a friend pass away from SADs in 2017
i’ve no idea if this is good news because we managed the pandemic so well or weird news because no matter how well we managed it you’d expect to see excess deaths. I guess it’s a y2k kind of thing where you manage it so well that everyone shrugs/whinges and wonders what the big deal was.
I’m going to complain big time about this. Ireland was awful for at least the first year of the pandemic. The vaccine rollout was the great saving grace of Irelands pandemic response. Its initial response was clueless however and had no vision of a plan for months. So many bizarre tangential elements to plans.
Saying this from Vietnam, a country which had the opposite problem of a near perfect initial reaction of taking covid seriously, but had a poor vaccine rollout. If you combined the strengths of both responses you would be perfect.
Considering how much the response to a pandemic was a “fly by the seat of your pants” affair, and looking at the clown shows in some other countries, I think we did fairly well in Covid. Lots to learn from, but lots we did better than other countries.
> Ireland was one of nine OECD countries to avoid excess deaths during this period, registering the fourth lowest rate behind New Zealand, Iceland and Norway.
I don’t see Sweden in that list, or Denmark. 🤔
During COVID, I specifically remember looking at charts of the weekly dead rate versus previous years.
I have great respect for Tony Holohan…a brave man who stepped up and wasnt swayed by politicians or media
Ah I remember when the guards weren’t allowing me to jog past my 5km radius. Good old days.
Are there any statistics about excess disabilities so to speak? Because I know that a lot of countries that were criticized for how badly they handled the pandemic don’t have any statistical excess deaths (e.g. Sweden) but I am certain that their disability numbers rose disproportionately
I wish we could have more lockdowns, I miss not having to leave the house and nobody sitting near me on public transport, or standing right behind me and coughing on me in shops 😔
Disclaimer – I’m double vaxxed, asked doc to see if I can get more, I endured lockdowns, blah blah.
The question here is what is the cost of that mitigation. How many people lost mortgages, became homeless, lost businesses, and are more or less irreparably impacted. How much are the children affected?
Would a little bit relaxed model cause a bit more deaths, but had much less of an impact on the rest of the population.
While we are on the topic of Covid, avoid Twitter if you can. Anti Vaxxers are out in force on any report about Ireland’s covid numbers. Something that should have been left in the previous few years.
But the lad with hand painted signs all around sligo saying 25k excess deaths MUST have done his rEsêąRćH
“To date, there have been 9,366 *probable and possible* deaths due to Covid-19 recorded in Ireland.”
Funny how we knew the exact number of deaths everyday but they are now considered probable and possible.
This is a testament to our healthcare workers. I know elective services ground to a halt but we were getting sick too, all the time, was fucking terrifying at the start tbh esp when colleagues (though rare) died in the early stages. Horrible time – in a health service crippled already.
Great – would we now like to talk about the explosion of excess deaths since the pandemic?
I remember us having 1~4k excessive deaths in 2020. Maybe it balanced out, I guess?
> The Department of Health said that previous estimates of excess deaths during the pandemic did not take into account changes in population size and demographics here.
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So all the lockdown measures worked to some degree. Fantastic news.
Plandemic, ammi right?!
Well done us.
I’d reckon the vast majority of people who died with COVID would have died within the year anyway as the majority of them were elderly with underlying conditions.
What the lockdowns achieved was stopping the spread to other vulnerable people whose life was not in danger but if they got COVID it could have killed them. Now with the less dangerous variants and the vaccines these people can get COVID and it will hit them harder than the rest but it won’t kill them.
I think we handled the pandemic alright some crazy decisions made but it was a once in a 100 years event so hopefully by the next pandemic we will be better prepared.
Compared to the UK which is the obvious comparison we handled it well.
Lots of things we could have done better but our peaks where not as bad as others.
Just drive past any cemetery. Dozens of new graves, I’ve never seen as many new graves in the local graveyards in my life, in just one rural graveyard in a village of I’d say about 500 people there are 18 new graves. Not saying it’s this or that,but it’s definitely odd.
Well done Fine Gael and Leo
Does everyone remember where they were when they announced we’d beaten covid and the pandemic was over? Yeah me neither.
Well that’s some good news.
We have to remember that we had an incredibly strict covid policy (apart from winter 2020) in which we erred on the side of caution when other countries balanced freedoms with covid a lot more.
Yes good news that we had zero excess deaths, but we did undergo a greater restriction to ordinary life than a lot of other European countries.
Nice to know, I wonder what the vax stats are like.
I remember getting very upset at people online over saying no one ever dropped dead before the vax when I had a friend pass away from SADs in 2017
i’ve no idea if this is good news because we managed the pandemic so well or weird news because no matter how well we managed it you’d expect to see excess deaths. I guess it’s a y2k kind of thing where you manage it so well that everyone shrugs/whinges and wonders what the big deal was.
I’m going to complain big time about this. Ireland was awful for at least the first year of the pandemic. The vaccine rollout was the great saving grace of Irelands pandemic response. Its initial response was clueless however and had no vision of a plan for months. So many bizarre tangential elements to plans.
Saying this from Vietnam, a country which had the opposite problem of a near perfect initial reaction of taking covid seriously, but had a poor vaccine rollout. If you combined the strengths of both responses you would be perfect.
Considering how much the response to a pandemic was a “fly by the seat of your pants” affair, and looking at the clown shows in some other countries, I think we did fairly well in Covid. Lots to learn from, but lots we did better than other countries.
> Ireland was one of nine OECD countries to avoid excess deaths during this period, registering the fourth lowest rate behind New Zealand, Iceland and Norway.
I don’t see Sweden in that list, or Denmark. 🤔
During COVID, I specifically remember looking at charts of the weekly dead rate versus previous years.
How about: https://www.maynoothuniversity.ie/research/spotlight-research/just-bad-flu-how-death-notices-debunk-covid-19-myth
And: https://www.hiqa.ie/hiqa-news-updates/covid-19-causes-13-increase-deaths-ireland-between-march-and-june-2020-hiqa
Where are they pulling their data from? Our excess deaths are still above average and have been for 3 years now
[https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-projected-baseline?country=~IRL](https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-projected-baseline?country=~IRL)
I have great respect for Tony Holohan…a brave man who stepped up and wasnt swayed by politicians or media
Ah I remember when the guards weren’t allowing me to jog past my 5km radius. Good old days.
Are there any statistics about excess disabilities so to speak? Because I know that a lot of countries that were criticized for how badly they handled the pandemic don’t have any statistical excess deaths (e.g. Sweden) but I am certain that their disability numbers rose disproportionately
I wish we could have more lockdowns, I miss not having to leave the house and nobody sitting near me on public transport, or standing right behind me and coughing on me in shops 😔
Disclaimer – I’m double vaxxed, asked doc to see if I can get more, I endured lockdowns, blah blah.
The question here is what is the cost of that mitigation. How many people lost mortgages, became homeless, lost businesses, and are more or less irreparably impacted. How much are the children affected?
Would a little bit relaxed model cause a bit more deaths, but had much less of an impact on the rest of the population.
While we are on the topic of Covid, avoid Twitter if you can. Anti Vaxxers are out in force on any report about Ireland’s covid numbers. Something that should have been left in the previous few years.
But the lad with hand painted signs all around sligo saying 25k excess deaths MUST have done his rEsêąRćH
“To date, there have been 9,366 *probable and possible* deaths due to Covid-19 recorded in Ireland.”
Funny how we knew the exact number of deaths everyday but they are now considered probable and possible.
This is a testament to our healthcare workers. I know elective services ground to a halt but we were getting sick too, all the time, was fucking terrifying at the start tbh esp when colleagues (though rare) died in the early stages. Horrible time – in a health service crippled already.
Great – would we now like to talk about the explosion of excess deaths since the pandemic?
I remember us having 1~4k excessive deaths in 2020. Maybe it balanced out, I guess?
> The Department of Health said that previous estimates of excess deaths during the pandemic did not take into account changes in population size and demographics here.
…oh yeah, that could do it too.