Imagine spending a year clapping for the NhS and then firing nurses who believe they have much better protection (as they already got the disease)
Pfizer kickbacks to the tory government?
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The NHS already has certain vaccine requirements. People working in the NHS need to be able to work with vulnerable and elderly patients.
Personal choice is one thing, but if your profession requires you to work with vulnerable people, you cannot expect to have the choice to put those people at risk. It’s not an ideological stance – its practical.
The UK already has a very high rate of vaccine uptake. Reasonably, I would expect it to be even higher in the NHS. I am willing to bet even amongst the vaccine hesitant within the NHS, a fair few will take it now. The only ones left unvaccinated have made a very clear choice, and I don’t expect there to be very much sympathy for them. I certainly won’t be giving them any.
Edit: OP is a certified antivax lunatic using this thread to further their agenda. Proceed at your own peril.
They won’t ‘lose’ staff. They’ll sack them for daring to have their own opinion.
I don’t want someone unvaccinated near me, and I don’t want one as a nurse or doctor if they don’t trust science.
I wonder how many or the politicians are vaccinated. I think they should be sacked of they aren’t.
Good. I don’t want to be attended to by a non vaccinated health worker.
To everyone claiming that an unvaccinated NHS worker is incapable of being good at their job because they ‘don’t believe in science’, what exactly do you think the majority of NHS workers do?
I might not trust the head of a vaccination department if they were unvaccinated, but I’d trust a nurse or doctor. The unvaccinated are perfectly capable of being good at other things, they don’t walk around with their knuckles dragging along the floor, coughing into people’s faces and shouting PLANDEMIC at patients when they should be doing CPR instead.
I’d be perfectly happy being treated by an unvaccinated healthcare worker; I’d trust that they’re able to do the job that they trained hard for and would much rather have them than nobody at all. People supporting this policy will cost *all of us* in quality and accessibility of healthcare in the future. Forget “would you want your gran to be treated by an antivaxer?” and replace with “would you want your gran to remain untreated and die in a corridor?” We don’t have a pool of eager, qualified, vaccinated-to-the-nines healthcare workers chomping at the bit for any NHS vacancies that may arise.
Feel free to turn down healthcare from an unvaccinated nurse at any point, but it’s selfish to force the outcome of your decision on me.
There is already a staff shortage. By decreasing available staff, you make that worse. This is common sense.
You can be all high and mighty about how anti vax staff etc. The rub is that without them, you’ll have massive shortages of staff.
Why the fuck would you work as a nurse if you don’t believe in medicine? Sack them they are absolute maniacs. Selfish twats
I knew this would happen was only a matter of time
This was a questionable policy when first introduced. The argument, I suppose, was that an unvaccinated person was significantly more likely to be asymptomatically carrying Covid and therefore able to give it unknown to patients.
But with Omicron’s partial vaccine escape, I don’t see the justification for it at all at this stage. It’s not like we have lots of spare NHS front line staff – forcing people out of those jobs means there will be fewer of them and that means a worse service for everyone. And someone vaccinated last year has almost no more immunity than someone entirely unvaccinated at this point – and certainly far less than someone who catches Covid and recovers.
I hope everyone gets their booster. It’s just not safe out there atm. We should also keep a close eye on Israel to check if a 4th shot may be needed in the future. Masks should be compulsory and more Covid stewards should be hired to filter out non-compliance.
It’s like getting a job as a bus driver and electing not to get a driving licence. I just can’t fathom these people!
Herd immunity is necessary for those who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons. If you can get vaccinated then you should. No vaccine is perfect but most vaccinated people are likely not to get the disease. ‘Choosing’ to get natural immunity when you don’t need to is
tantamount to manslaughter if you work will ill people and they die from covid.
> Speaking to the BBC’s Sophie Raworth on Sunday morning, Education Secretary Nadhim Zahawi defended mandatory vaccines for NHS staff in England, saying: “We have a duty of care when looking after the most vulnerable to protect ourselves and to protect them.”
The duty of care is complied with by taking measures such as wearing PPE, maintaining a clean environment, and following procedures and protocol for ensuring contamination does not occur. These measures allow frontline NHS staff to protect themselves and hospital patients, while at the same time not putting them at risk of COVID-19 or side effects caused by vaccination. If a person does not fall under any risk factors for COVID-19, such as being overweight or having any respiratory conditions, then there is no need to pressure them in any way to take a vaccine. Because in the event where people without any COVID-19 risk factors catch COVID-19, the numbers who would end up in hospital would be minimal and not put the NHS under pressure in anywhere near the same way that people with obesity or alcohol related issues heart do, who also are entitled to healthcare and treatment, like everyone else. Everyones’ health matters at an individual level, because we are the ones who live as ourselves. We do not live life as anyone else. So we must not let government ministers like Nadhim Zahawi make us believe that we must put ourselves at risk for the sake of other people. This isn’t a binary choice. You absolutely can protect yourself and everyone else, without putting yourself at personal risk. In fact, forcing frontline NHS staff into a position where they would end up loosing their frontline job as a result of refusing to be vaccinated, would do far more harm than it could protect. This would affect us all with every other aspect of our health being neglected in favour of only COVID-19 health matters. If this is what Nadhim Zahawi and other government ministers support, they are failing to comply with their duty of care for people suffering from every other health condition, and so need to be removed from their government positions and replaced with people who have everyone in mind, and who are also opposed to the unsubstantiated authoritarian measures that have been used to inflict unwarranted consequences onto people and in turn erode everyone’s practical ability to make a free choice, which has been done to help them with enabling them to get away with more corruption and personal enrichment.
Lol of course BBC leave the figure out of the headline.
I just don’t get it. The NHS is struggling for staff numbers as it is so what it gonna be like when this comes in?
I mean , you wouldn’t employ a chef who didn’t believe in washing his hands ….
Anti-vaxxers are unqualified for the position in healthcare, i don’t care how short skills we are.
If I was employing for a haulage firm, just because I have a shortage I can’t take on people who don’t have the qualifications/licenses. Jobs have minimum requirements, if you’re antivax, you fail that minimum required medical knowledge requirement.
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Imagine spending a year clapping for the NhS and then firing nurses who believe they have much better protection (as they already got the disease)
Pfizer kickbacks to the tory government?
[deleted]
The NHS already has certain vaccine requirements. People working in the NHS need to be able to work with vulnerable and elderly patients.
Personal choice is one thing, but if your profession requires you to work with vulnerable people, you cannot expect to have the choice to put those people at risk. It’s not an ideological stance – its practical.
The UK already has a very high rate of vaccine uptake. Reasonably, I would expect it to be even higher in the NHS. I am willing to bet even amongst the vaccine hesitant within the NHS, a fair few will take it now. The only ones left unvaccinated have made a very clear choice, and I don’t expect there to be very much sympathy for them. I certainly won’t be giving them any.
Edit: OP is a certified antivax lunatic using this thread to further their agenda. Proceed at your own peril.
They won’t ‘lose’ staff. They’ll sack them for daring to have their own opinion.
I don’t want someone unvaccinated near me, and I don’t want one as a nurse or doctor if they don’t trust science.
I wonder how many or the politicians are vaccinated. I think they should be sacked of they aren’t.
Good. I don’t want to be attended to by a non vaccinated health worker.
To everyone claiming that an unvaccinated NHS worker is incapable of being good at their job because they ‘don’t believe in science’, what exactly do you think the majority of NHS workers do?
I might not trust the head of a vaccination department if they were unvaccinated, but I’d trust a nurse or doctor. The unvaccinated are perfectly capable of being good at other things, they don’t walk around with their knuckles dragging along the floor, coughing into people’s faces and shouting PLANDEMIC at patients when they should be doing CPR instead.
I’d be perfectly happy being treated by an unvaccinated healthcare worker; I’d trust that they’re able to do the job that they trained hard for and would much rather have them than nobody at all. People supporting this policy will cost *all of us* in quality and accessibility of healthcare in the future. Forget “would you want your gran to be treated by an antivaxer?” and replace with “would you want your gran to remain untreated and die in a corridor?” We don’t have a pool of eager, qualified, vaccinated-to-the-nines healthcare workers chomping at the bit for any NHS vacancies that may arise.
Feel free to turn down healthcare from an unvaccinated nurse at any point, but it’s selfish to force the outcome of your decision on me.
There is already a staff shortage. By decreasing available staff, you make that worse. This is common sense.
You can be all high and mighty about how anti vax staff etc. The rub is that without them, you’ll have massive shortages of staff.
Reading through the [linked regulations](https://www.england.nhs.uk/coronavirus/wp-content/uploads/sites/52/2021/12/C1470-vcod-for-healthcare-workers-planning-and-preparation-guidance.pdf) it says that only initial doses are required and that boosters aren’t currently needed. Seems a bit strange when the last 2 government technical briefings ([here](https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1044481/Technical-Briefing-31-Dec-2021-Omicron_severity_update.pdf) and [here](https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1043807/technical-briefing-33.pdf)) have both shown that receiving your second dose of AZ more than 20 weeks ago makes you at higher risk of symptomatic infection from Omicron than being unvaccinated.
Why the fuck would you work as a nurse if you don’t believe in medicine? Sack them they are absolute maniacs. Selfish twats
I knew this would happen was only a matter of time
This was a questionable policy when first introduced. The argument, I suppose, was that an unvaccinated person was significantly more likely to be asymptomatically carrying Covid and therefore able to give it unknown to patients.
But with Omicron’s partial vaccine escape, I don’t see the justification for it at all at this stage. It’s not like we have lots of spare NHS front line staff – forcing people out of those jobs means there will be fewer of them and that means a worse service for everyone. And someone vaccinated last year has almost no more immunity than someone entirely unvaccinated at this point – and certainly far less than someone who catches Covid and recovers.
I hope everyone gets their booster. It’s just not safe out there atm. We should also keep a close eye on Israel to check if a 4th shot may be needed in the future. Masks should be compulsory and more Covid stewards should be hired to filter out non-compliance.
It’s like getting a job as a bus driver and electing not to get a driving licence. I just can’t fathom these people!
Herd immunity is necessary for those who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons. If you can get vaccinated then you should. No vaccine is perfect but most vaccinated people are likely not to get the disease. ‘Choosing’ to get natural immunity when you don’t need to is
tantamount to manslaughter if you work will ill people and they die from covid.
> Speaking to the BBC’s Sophie Raworth on Sunday morning, Education Secretary Nadhim Zahawi defended mandatory vaccines for NHS staff in England, saying: “We have a duty of care when looking after the most vulnerable to protect ourselves and to protect them.”
The duty of care is complied with by taking measures such as wearing PPE, maintaining a clean environment, and following procedures and protocol for ensuring contamination does not occur. These measures allow frontline NHS staff to protect themselves and hospital patients, while at the same time not putting them at risk of COVID-19 or side effects caused by vaccination. If a person does not fall under any risk factors for COVID-19, such as being overweight or having any respiratory conditions, then there is no need to pressure them in any way to take a vaccine. Because in the event where people without any COVID-19 risk factors catch COVID-19, the numbers who would end up in hospital would be minimal and not put the NHS under pressure in anywhere near the same way that people with obesity or alcohol related issues heart do, who also are entitled to healthcare and treatment, like everyone else. Everyones’ health matters at an individual level, because we are the ones who live as ourselves. We do not live life as anyone else. So we must not let government ministers like Nadhim Zahawi make us believe that we must put ourselves at risk for the sake of other people. This isn’t a binary choice. You absolutely can protect yourself and everyone else, without putting yourself at personal risk. In fact, forcing frontline NHS staff into a position where they would end up loosing their frontline job as a result of refusing to be vaccinated, would do far more harm than it could protect. This would affect us all with every other aspect of our health being neglected in favour of only COVID-19 health matters. If this is what Nadhim Zahawi and other government ministers support, they are failing to comply with their duty of care for people suffering from every other health condition, and so need to be removed from their government positions and replaced with people who have everyone in mind, and who are also opposed to the unsubstantiated authoritarian measures that have been used to inflict unwarranted consequences onto people and in turn erode everyone’s practical ability to make a free choice, which has been done to help them with enabling them to get away with more corruption and personal enrichment.
Lol of course BBC leave the figure out of the headline.
I just don’t get it. The NHS is struggling for staff numbers as it is so what it gonna be like when this comes in?
I mean , you wouldn’t employ a chef who didn’t believe in washing his hands ….
Anti-vaxxers are unqualified for the position in healthcare, i don’t care how short skills we are.
If I was employing for a haulage firm, just because I have a shortage I can’t take on people who don’t have the qualifications/licenses. Jobs have minimum requirements, if you’re antivax, you fail that minimum required medical knowledge requirement.