>According to figures from the Scottish Parliament Information Centre (SPICe), between April 2022 and April 2023 the gender pay gap for median gross hourly earnings (excluding overtime and the self-employed) was 8.7% in Scotland and 14.3% across the UK.
>Using the three-year rolling average over the last five years, the figures showed that it will take 10.8 years to close Scotland’s gender pay gap.
>In the UK, this is expected to take 20.9 years, with the gap widening in the last year.
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>It comes after the 2023 Office for National Statistics (ONS) Annual Survey of Hours and Earnings showed that Scotland’s gender pay gap reached a record low.
>The survey showed that the gender pay gap in Scotland fell from 3% in 2022 to 1.7% in 2023 – the lowest since the series began in 1997. At the same time, the gap increased from 7.6% to 7.7% in the UK as a whole.
There is no such thing as a gender pay gap.
A man and woman’s labour in the same job role is being paid the same.
It is an EARNINGS gap and to call it a pay gap is deliberately facetious. Men earn more, they aren’t being paid more.
> The size of the gender pay gap depends on several factors, including:
>
> * Age: There is little difference in median hourly pay for male and female full-time employees aged in their 20s and 30s, but a substantial gap emerges among full-time employees aged 40 and over. This links to parenthood – the gap between male and female hourly earnings grows gradually but steadily in the years after parents have their first child.
> * Occupation: The gap tends to be smaller for occupation groups where a larger proportion of employees are women;
> * Industry: The pay gap is largest in the financial and insurance industry, and smallest in the accommodation and food services industry;
> * Public and private sector: For full-time workers, the pay gap is slightly smaller in the public sector than the private sector. There is a negligible gender pay gap for part-time workers in the private sector, which contrasts with a large part-time pay gap in the public sector;
> * Region and nation: The full-time gender pay gap is highest in the South East and London and negative in Northern Ireland;
> * Pay: The highest earners have a larger pay gap than the lowest earners.
It will also widen as certain industries become more gender balanced. If you take some occupations which were traditionally male dominated and have large salary differences between entry level and management level then the increased number of woman entering those roles at the lower salary makes the gap look worse.
It’s clearly a positive thing that there are more job opportunities for woman but the industries that are putting in more effort to improve this balance can end up looking worse on paper for a generation until the higher levels in a company have a better gender balance.
As always we can’t simply read the studies at face value as there is some nuance to be had.
You will all be equally f*cked under the economic mismanagement of the SNP. Truly a bastion of non discrimination
It’s because pay is reducing in Scotland, not because pay is going up. Scotlands answer is to bring everyone down instead of pushing up, I dread to think where this country is headed.
There is no real gender pay gap; it’s many things that come together that adds up to a difference when you divide people like this.
The vast majority has almost nothing to do with gender. Career choice, risk taking, time off work, overtime, etc. So many of these things are simply about personal choice.
We’ve went out our way to make the law equal when it comes to this. Which actually made a whole bunch of feminist organisations have issues because they could no longer discriminate by gender when hiring or paying wages.
Kind of like how it backfired when employees from the BBC said that they were being underpaid compared to their male counterparts due to sexism. It got investigated and the BBC got fined because they were discriminating by gender; however, the women in question were being paid more than the men.
It’s the gender obsessed thinking that everything has to do with gender. If you had the same ideaology over brunettes and gingers you might assume that gingers are being oppressed by the brunettes. If you think about it for more than a minute it falls apart.
What exactly is being fixed?
Two people with different jobs now have a more similar salary……erm ok ….. Was that actually a problem?
To the women here, have you felt like your conditions have been improving at twice the rate compared to and English woman? Have they even been improving?
Fucking aye, because everyone being on minimum wage or benefits will do that.
Sorting paternity leave so that parents can make a choice based on earning potential rather than genitals is a good move. I have seen it in a few places now where dad can take the time. That of course assumes bottle feeding.
Having a child is and will remain a choice which has consequences. You are going to earn less over a lifetime if you choose to take years out of employment. We 100% should not try and legislate to make that not happen.
I still think life would be way better if a family could survive on one salary regardless of gender though
The pay gap doesn’t exist, however there is an earnings gap. Women aren’t literally paid less for the same work, however they do on average over a lifetime earn less than a man. There are several obvious factors for this.
“According to figures from the Scottish Parliament Information Centre (SPICe), between April 2022 and April 2023 the gender pay gap for median gross hourly earnings (excluding overtime and the self-employed) was 8.7% in Scotland and 14.3% across the UK.”
Is this across the entire workforce as a whole? If so these figures are absolutely meaningless.
You have to compare like for like in role, experience, hours worked, skill set and qualifications to get an accurate figure of any gap, lumping all the binmen in with female physicists is not going to acheive anything.
I really fear about this government making us look like a bunch of clowns – maybe even needing to go to Westminster with our begging bowl
The cynic in me thinks that might have been the plan all along
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>According to figures from the Scottish Parliament Information Centre (SPICe), between April 2022 and April 2023 the gender pay gap for median gross hourly earnings (excluding overtime and the self-employed) was 8.7% in Scotland and 14.3% across the UK.
>Using the three-year rolling average over the last five years, the figures showed that it will take 10.8 years to close Scotland’s gender pay gap.
>In the UK, this is expected to take 20.9 years, with the gap widening in the last year.
~
>It comes after the 2023 Office for National Statistics (ONS) Annual Survey of Hours and Earnings showed that Scotland’s gender pay gap reached a record low.
>The survey showed that the gender pay gap in Scotland fell from 3% in 2022 to 1.7% in 2023 – the lowest since the series began in 1997. At the same time, the gap increased from 7.6% to 7.7% in the UK as a whole.
There is no such thing as a gender pay gap.
A man and woman’s labour in the same job role is being paid the same.
It is an EARNINGS gap and to call it a pay gap is deliberately facetious. Men earn more, they aren’t being paid more.
Guess that’s easier when salaries are so low
[House of Commons Library report](https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn07068/)
> The size of the gender pay gap depends on several factors, including:
>
> * Age: There is little difference in median hourly pay for male and female full-time employees aged in their 20s and 30s, but a substantial gap emerges among full-time employees aged 40 and over. This links to parenthood – the gap between male and female hourly earnings grows gradually but steadily in the years after parents have their first child.
> * Occupation: The gap tends to be smaller for occupation groups where a larger proportion of employees are women;
> * Industry: The pay gap is largest in the financial and insurance industry, and smallest in the accommodation and food services industry;
> * Public and private sector: For full-time workers, the pay gap is slightly smaller in the public sector than the private sector. There is a negligible gender pay gap for part-time workers in the private sector, which contrasts with a large part-time pay gap in the public sector;
> * Region and nation: The full-time gender pay gap is highest in the South East and London and negative in Northern Ireland;
> * Pay: The highest earners have a larger pay gap than the lowest earners.
It will also widen as certain industries become more gender balanced. If you take some occupations which were traditionally male dominated and have large salary differences between entry level and management level then the increased number of woman entering those roles at the lower salary makes the gap look worse.
It’s clearly a positive thing that there are more job opportunities for woman but the industries that are putting in more effort to improve this balance can end up looking worse on paper for a generation until the higher levels in a company have a better gender balance.
As always we can’t simply read the studies at face value as there is some nuance to be had.
You will all be equally f*cked under the economic mismanagement of the SNP. Truly a bastion of non discrimination
It’s because pay is reducing in Scotland, not because pay is going up. Scotlands answer is to bring everyone down instead of pushing up, I dread to think where this country is headed.
There is no real gender pay gap; it’s many things that come together that adds up to a difference when you divide people like this.
The vast majority has almost nothing to do with gender. Career choice, risk taking, time off work, overtime, etc. So many of these things are simply about personal choice.
We’ve went out our way to make the law equal when it comes to this. Which actually made a whole bunch of feminist organisations have issues because they could no longer discriminate by gender when hiring or paying wages.
Kind of like how it backfired when employees from the BBC said that they were being underpaid compared to their male counterparts due to sexism. It got investigated and the BBC got fined because they were discriminating by gender; however, the women in question were being paid more than the men.
It’s the gender obsessed thinking that everything has to do with gender. If you had the same ideaology over brunettes and gingers you might assume that gingers are being oppressed by the brunettes. If you think about it for more than a minute it falls apart.
What exactly is being fixed?
Two people with different jobs now have a more similar salary……erm ok ….. Was that actually a problem?
To the women here, have you felt like your conditions have been improving at twice the rate compared to and English woman? Have they even been improving?
Fucking aye, because everyone being on minimum wage or benefits will do that.
Sorting paternity leave so that parents can make a choice based on earning potential rather than genitals is a good move. I have seen it in a few places now where dad can take the time. That of course assumes bottle feeding.
Having a child is and will remain a choice which has consequences. You are going to earn less over a lifetime if you choose to take years out of employment. We 100% should not try and legislate to make that not happen.
I still think life would be way better if a family could survive on one salary regardless of gender though
The pay gap doesn’t exist, however there is an earnings gap. Women aren’t literally paid less for the same work, however they do on average over a lifetime earn less than a man. There are several obvious factors for this.
“According to figures from the Scottish Parliament Information Centre (SPICe), between April 2022 and April 2023 the gender pay gap for median gross hourly earnings (excluding overtime and the self-employed) was 8.7% in Scotland and 14.3% across the UK.”
Is this across the entire workforce as a whole? If so these figures are absolutely meaningless.
You have to compare like for like in role, experience, hours worked, skill set and qualifications to get an accurate figure of any gap, lumping all the binmen in with female physicists is not going to acheive anything.
I really fear about this government making us look like a bunch of clowns – maybe even needing to go to Westminster with our begging bowl
The cynic in me thinks that might have been the plan all along