In a normal world it wouldn’t matter because this career criminal would be in jail with no supporters. But here we are.
>Enough. It’s time to apply the plain language of the Constitution to Trump’s actions and remove him from the ballot — without fear of the consequences. Republics are not maintained by cowardice.
Insurrectionists don’t get do-overs.
We are in such a fucking stupid timeline.
1. Trump is obviously disqualified from the ballot.
2. Disqualifying Trump at the S.C. level would likely lead to Nikki Haley being the nominee.
3. Haley would likely waltz into the Oval Office running against Joe Biden, especially after Trump was martyred (for a bunch of people who already believe Trump is a living martyr).
4. Haley would then Pardon the Orange Jesus at least against federal crimes.
This is undoubtably the surest outcome for a GOP electoral success. If I was Harlan Crowe I’d be writing checks to Clarance as we speak.
>This is where we are, and have now been for years: The Trump movement commits threats, violence and lies. And then it tries to escape accountability for those acts through more threats, more violence and more lies. At the heart of the “but the consequences” argument against disqualification is a confession that if we hold Trump accountable for his fomenting violence on Jan. 6, he might foment additional violence now.
Enough. It’s time to apply the plain language of the Constitution to Trump’s actions and remove him from the ballot — without fear of the consequences. Republics are not maintained by cowardice.
No shit Sherlock
Strong is quite the understatement.
And pretty basic to follow too.
1. anyone who swore an oath to support the Constitution and then engaged in insurrection cannot hold office unless a two-thirds vote of Congress allows it.
2. Jan 6th was an insurrection
3. Trump engaged in Jan 6th
Easy and basic steps to follow that even a 2nd grader could handle understanding it. Which explains why Trump supporters are struggling to understand it
Canadian here. Isn’t there a serious discussion to be made among Americans around simple utilitarianism? Like, I get that MAGA ride with their guy and want to vote for their guy – everyone wants to vote for someone. But how can they be so concerned with his right to appear on the ballot, while ignoring his blatant attempts to invalidate the rights of 81 million people who voted for the other guy to win? One is a greater injustice than the other. Why is that so hard to convey?
They can argue all the live long day that it was or wasn’t an insurrection (it was). Who’s arguing that Trump wasn’t trying to steal an election? With all the phone calls to find votes and people confessing to being part of a conspiracy to do exactly that?
His rights can’t be more important than all the people whose rights he was trying to trample.
Disqualified!
And yet, I’ll still vote for him, as will millions of other Americans.
**edit:** downvote me all you want, Trump will be your President again, very soon.
And the SCOTUS is corrupted by dark theocratic forces.
The problem is far bigger than Trump. It’s the entire Republican Party. Even if Trump is disqualified, he’ll just run the party from the back seat like he currently does.
Trump and every supporter of the insurrection needs to be in jail or at minimum barred from office. Any presidential candidate who offers to pardon Trump or any of the insurrectionists needs to be disqualified for giving aid and comfort as specified in the 14th amendment.
Democracy isn’t just a form of government. It’s the only form of government in the history of humanity that allows for the citizenry to change their government on a regular basis without bloodshed. The only way to change any other type of government is through violence (source: see history).
Things like gerrymandering, voter suppression, disinformation, and shadow candidates must be called out for what they are: direct attacks on democracy.
Without democracy, we are headed towards violence. That’s not a threat. That’s my fear.
Not strong. It’s ironclad. But it’s human error/judgement that fucks up the simplest of issues.
Look at DeSantis. He’s trailing in the polls and has nothing to lose by speaking out against Trump. Yet against anyone’s better judgement, he won’t speak out against Trump even when asked.
I howl with laughter every time some Trumpet says “they’re persecuting him because he’s an outsider who wants to clean things up.”
The only reason this fucker isn’t in PRISON right now is because he’s part of the “swamp”. Like seriously, anybody else would be up the river in a speedboat by now.
You know how hard it is to pass an amendment to the constitution? Really freaking hard!
You don’t just pass an amendment to the constitution to block insurrectionists from installing one of their own then change undermine all that effort because it might upset the insurrectionists. It’s very cut and dry. The grift is up.
Even if the insurrection stuff didn’t exist, you’d think him being a rapist would be enough to disqualify him from being President.
You guys got him this time for sure lol.
The fact that the 14th amendment describes prior engagement in insurrection as a *disability* to be removed by 2/3 vote of Congress, rather than Congress providing *amnesty*, shows that the authors of the amendment did not intend for a criminal conviction to precede disqualification. Qualification for office is a civil matter, not a criminal matter.
For this to happen Americans would have to truly love their Country and Democracy. They don’t on both counts. Trump will be our next President, you just wait and see.
And if by some miracle Biden does win, Trump and the Republicans won’t accept the defeat. We are so screwed. Enjoy the next ten months because after that you won’t recognize our Country.
This sub should start banning articles titled “_____ Person says Trump is REALLY in trouble this time! No, really! I promise! Please click on my article!!”
We know what’s going to happen
It’s an interesting argument, and before Dobbs it would have had no chance. Now, the Court has no alternative but to use the same strict constructionist approach it used in Dobbs, and bar Trump from holding office unless he gets the required Congressional vote as also provided in the 14th amendment.
I hate how liberal media likes to display these messages—softly.
It’ll be a 6-3 decision to keep him on the ballot. Guarantee it.
This maybe should have been sorted out idk maybe sometime within the last three years. It’s too late now. People are going to go nuts if he gets removed from the ballot, other people are going to go nuts when he gets re-elected.
Yeah. Seems there’s only two questions: is the president an officer of the United States? Did Trump plan, execute and lead an insurrection? Yes to both.
I grew up hearing that America was a nation of not only of freedom and liberties but of rules and laws. Also, that no one is above the law. If you break certain laws and rules you can’t get a driver’s license, if you break certain rules and laws you lose your freedom, etc. If we’re going to debate if the laws and rules apply to some but not all, why create them to begin with?
Edit: add last “certain”
We should not be afraid of doing the right thing because it is not politically expedient and as far as the MAGA dorks causing trouble I say bring it on. They are inept cowards and not much will come from a full on sedition from that crew.
Yeah, I’d image that clearly being written down in the constitution would indeed make for a strong case.
Lol no it’s not
Stupidity stronger.
The case for Trump’s criminal conviction for insurrection is also strong. He should be in prison or facing the death penalty, according to the letter of the law.
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Some might even say it’s constitutional.
In a normal world it wouldn’t matter because this career criminal would be in jail with no supporters. But here we are.
>Enough. It’s time to apply the plain language of the Constitution to Trump’s actions and remove him from the ballot — without fear of the consequences. Republics are not maintained by cowardice.
Insurrectionists don’t get do-overs.
We are in such a fucking stupid timeline.
1. Trump is obviously disqualified from the ballot.
2. Disqualifying Trump at the S.C. level would likely lead to Nikki Haley being the nominee.
3. Haley would likely waltz into the Oval Office running against Joe Biden, especially after Trump was martyred (for a bunch of people who already believe Trump is a living martyr).
4. Haley would then Pardon the Orange Jesus at least against federal crimes.
This is undoubtably the surest outcome for a GOP electoral success. If I was Harlan Crowe I’d be writing checks to Clarance as we speak.
>This is where we are, and have now been for years: The Trump movement commits threats, violence and lies. And then it tries to escape accountability for those acts through more threats, more violence and more lies. At the heart of the “but the consequences” argument against disqualification is a confession that if we hold Trump accountable for his fomenting violence on Jan. 6, he might foment additional violence now.
Enough. It’s time to apply the plain language of the Constitution to Trump’s actions and remove him from the ballot — without fear of the consequences. Republics are not maintained by cowardice.
No shit Sherlock
Strong is quite the understatement.
And pretty basic to follow too.
1. anyone who swore an oath to support the Constitution and then engaged in insurrection cannot hold office unless a two-thirds vote of Congress allows it.
2. Jan 6th was an insurrection
3. Trump engaged in Jan 6th
Easy and basic steps to follow that even a 2nd grader could handle understanding it. Which explains why Trump supporters are struggling to understand it
Canadian here. Isn’t there a serious discussion to be made among Americans around simple utilitarianism? Like, I get that MAGA ride with their guy and want to vote for their guy – everyone wants to vote for someone. But how can they be so concerned with his right to appear on the ballot, while ignoring his blatant attempts to invalidate the rights of 81 million people who voted for the other guy to win? One is a greater injustice than the other. Why is that so hard to convey?
They can argue all the live long day that it was or wasn’t an insurrection (it was). Who’s arguing that Trump wasn’t trying to steal an election? With all the phone calls to find votes and people confessing to being part of a conspiracy to do exactly that?
His rights can’t be more important than all the people whose rights he was trying to trample.
Disqualified!
And yet, I’ll still vote for him, as will millions of other Americans.
**edit:** downvote me all you want, Trump will be your President again, very soon.
And the SCOTUS is corrupted by dark theocratic forces.
The problem is far bigger than Trump. It’s the entire Republican Party. Even if Trump is disqualified, he’ll just run the party from the back seat like he currently does.
Trump and every supporter of the insurrection needs to be in jail or at minimum barred from office. Any presidential candidate who offers to pardon Trump or any of the insurrectionists needs to be disqualified for giving aid and comfort as specified in the 14th amendment.
Democracy isn’t just a form of government. It’s the only form of government in the history of humanity that allows for the citizenry to change their government on a regular basis without bloodshed. The only way to change any other type of government is through violence (source: see history).
Things like gerrymandering, voter suppression, disinformation, and shadow candidates must be called out for what they are: direct attacks on democracy.
Without democracy, we are headed towards violence. That’s not a threat. That’s my fear.
Not strong. It’s ironclad. But it’s human error/judgement that fucks up the simplest of issues.
Look at DeSantis. He’s trailing in the polls and has nothing to lose by speaking out against Trump. Yet against anyone’s better judgement, he won’t speak out against Trump even when asked.
I howl with laughter every time some Trumpet says “they’re persecuting him because he’s an outsider who wants to clean things up.”
The only reason this fucker isn’t in PRISON right now is because he’s part of the “swamp”. Like seriously, anybody else would be up the river in a speedboat by now.
You know how hard it is to pass an amendment to the constitution? Really freaking hard!
You don’t just pass an amendment to the constitution to block insurrectionists from installing one of their own then change undermine all that effort because it might upset the insurrectionists. It’s very cut and dry. The grift is up.
Even if the insurrection stuff didn’t exist, you’d think him being a rapist would be enough to disqualify him from being President.
You guys got him this time for sure lol.
The fact that the 14th amendment describes prior engagement in insurrection as a *disability* to be removed by 2/3 vote of Congress, rather than Congress providing *amnesty*, shows that the authors of the amendment did not intend for a criminal conviction to precede disqualification. Qualification for office is a civil matter, not a criminal matter.
For this to happen Americans would have to truly love their Country and Democracy. They don’t on both counts. Trump will be our next President, you just wait and see.
And if by some miracle Biden does win, Trump and the Republicans won’t accept the defeat. We are so screwed. Enjoy the next ten months because after that you won’t recognize our Country.
This sub should start banning articles titled “_____ Person says Trump is REALLY in trouble this time! No, really! I promise! Please click on my article!!”
We know what’s going to happen
It’s an interesting argument, and before Dobbs it would have had no chance. Now, the Court has no alternative but to use the same strict constructionist approach it used in Dobbs, and bar Trump from holding office unless he gets the required Congressional vote as also provided in the 14th amendment.
I hate how liberal media likes to display these messages—softly.
It’ll be a 6-3 decision to keep him on the ballot. Guarantee it.
This maybe should have been sorted out idk maybe sometime within the last three years. It’s too late now. People are going to go nuts if he gets removed from the ballot, other people are going to go nuts when he gets re-elected.
Yeah. Seems there’s only two questions: is the president an officer of the United States? Did Trump plan, execute and lead an insurrection? Yes to both.
I grew up hearing that America was a nation of not only of freedom and liberties but of rules and laws. Also, that no one is above the law. If you break certain laws and rules you can’t get a driver’s license, if you break certain rules and laws you lose your freedom, etc. If we’re going to debate if the laws and rules apply to some but not all, why create them to begin with?
Edit: add last “certain”
We should not be afraid of doing the right thing because it is not politically expedient and as far as the MAGA dorks causing trouble I say bring it on. They are inept cowards and not much will come from a full on sedition from that crew.
Yeah, I’d image that clearly being written down in the constitution would indeed make for a strong case.
Lol no it’s not
Stupidity stronger.
The case for Trump’s criminal conviction for insurrection is also strong. He should be in prison or facing the death penalty, according to the letter of the law.
But no fact can stand up to propaganda