The Constitutional Crisis is Real. Here’s How It Will Play Out.

by jayfeather31

22 comments
  1. Trump will take over with the help of SCOTUS. Democrats will make shocked Pikachu faces until the executioner pulls the lever to drop the trap door.

  2. We’ve been in it since an entire political party decided that they would throw their full support behind a man who tried to kill democracy and is openly saying he’ll do it again.

    So sick of Trump and this Republican Party. I keep hoping that as they lose election after election, they’ll come to their senses. But NOPE, these fucks keep doubling down.

    VOTE. REGISTER. DONATE. RUN.

    Not registered, register here: http://www.vote.gov or http://www.vote.org

  3. Donald Trump’s own lawyers don’t even claim that Donald didn’t engage in insurrection. The court system should not be struggling as hard as it is.

  4. >And what are the chances of that? Zero. Trump will be on the ballot.

    This is a reference to the notion of SCOTUS ruling favorably for Colorado and some scenario where’s he’s deemed ineligible or states are allowed discretion over Trump’s eligibility.

    I wouldn’t call it zero. But I’d call chances low, and wayyy lower than the confidence I’ve seen online about the 14th Amendment. And I do agree with the article – they will find [a definitive way out of this](https://www.meidastouch.com/news/when-it-comes-to-disqualifying-trump-for-insurrection-watch-the-due-process-escape-hatch), among other reasons, to avoid the public blowback that would ensue.

    We can hope 5 Justices on the Supreme Court uphold Colorado’s 4-3 decision. We can hope Jack Smith’s D.C. trial occurs in a timely fashion, Trump’s mountain of appeals, including him ultimately appealing his conviction are for naught and he’s finally held accountable in time for the election.

    But if there’s one thing we’ve learned the past 8 years, our institutions aren’t to be trusted to save us. The only thing that has definitively limited Trump’s power and the MAGA movement is voting. We have to remember that no matter what happens.

  5. Regardless of how things play out in 2024, 2025 will not be business as usual. 2024 is truly the deciding year of what the future of the United States of America will look like. We are heading for cliff and most people don’t even realize it.

  6. The supreme court had no problem taking women’s rights away with the abortion issue, they certainly shouldn’t have a problem protecting our democracy and country from a known wannabe dictator, unless they are in on the Republicans plan to overthrow our democracy and scrap our constitution for this 1 person. I can’t believe the supreme court will put 1 man’s plan to become our first dictator over our country’s future!

  7. Words on paper (called “The Constitution”), even if they created some perfect democracy, won’t stop a fascist takeover once 51% of the population decides to vote for fascism.

    Want to avoid fascism? Try convincing the people who support fascism and also the people who are indifferent to fascism/democracy (aka “swing voters”) that fascism is bad and democracy is a better system.

  8. Republicans are either too stupid or too treasonous to care about democracy.

  9. First part before the list, in case anyone doesn’t have time for the full thing:

    >AMERICA IS FACING its greatest constitutional crisis since the Civil War. I know, journalists exaggerate sometimes. But as rock critic Greil Marcus said of punk rock half a century ago, this is actually happening. And if sanity doesn’t prevail, this crisis will affect all of our lives, whether we are paying attention to it or not.
    Is this really “unprecedented,” as journalists like to say? Here’s the evidence. There has never been a major presidential candidate on trial, let alone charged with 91 criminal counts in four cases, as well as a massive civil fraud case against his business. Our Constitution doesn’t provide for this situation. There has never been a presidential candidate who attempted a coup, or whatever it is that former President Donald Trump tried to do on Jan. 6, 2021; and while the 14th Amendment bans someone who has “engaged in insurrection or rebellion,” state courts are divided on whether that applies to Trump. And there has never been a presidential candidate who has proposed specifically unconstitutional and undemocratic actions, as Trump has now promised to undertake.
    Finally, and perhaps most importantly, there has never been a time at which at least a third of the country believes lies as big as the ones Trump continues to tell: that the 2020 election was stolen from him by massive fraud, that there is a vast governmental and media conspiracy against him, that all the charges are fake. The Constitution never contemplated such a vast campaign of mass deception; in its day, landed white men wrote pamphlets for one another.
    All of this is new, and frankly, our country isn’t made for this — not for the Trump candidacy, and even less for a second Trump presidency. The Constitution can’t stop him, the criminal justice system can’t stop him, and sane Republican voters can’t stop him. His second campaign, and potential second term, will test bedrock American principles like at no other time in our history. And when these multiple raging fronts crash together, nobody can say for sure if our system will hold together. Here are the four challenges America will face this year and what might (or might not) stop an avowed authoritarian from leading the country.

  10. The Supreme Court is going to side with the dissenting opinion in Colorado. They will say he has to have insurrection related conviction. Then they will drag their feet with his frivolous appeals so that he isn’t convicted before the election.

  11. “Because the Civil War occurred in the 19th century, and the 14th Amendment was not written by the Framers, the Court finds that the 14th Amendment couldn’t have been envisioned by the Framers, and is therefore invalid and immediately repealed.”

    – Alito, probably

  12. If Debbs, a man convicted of sedition, could run from jail, I don’t see how Trump can’t.

  13. We dont have a crisis. You are making things up.

  14. Finally, and perhaps most importantly, there has never been a time at which at least a third of the country believes lies as big as the ones Trump continues to tell.

    Nope, (Iraq&9-11, WMDs, birtherism, Clinton had classified emails on her server) the “country” as you phrase it, but really it’s Republicans have been doing this for a long time.

    As for “as big” ….. Uncounted death in Iraq and the unpaid for supplemental military funding nearly contributed to a 1929 style depression (blood and treasure and Mideast instability).

  15. Parties aside This is a conflict between intelligent people and stupid people. The system has been set that both demographics have the same power. Half the people will always be an anchor to progression.

  16. How it will play out is a variation on the “four stage strategy” (which seems to be the same approach to Trump in general).

    1. We need to build a case (to prove the obvious).
    2. The case is strong but lets make it airtight and not jump the gun.
    3. The case is overwhelming, but with all this MAGA about lets make sure we appear 100% unbiased at every turn because of appeals.
    4. It’s too late to prosecute anything.

    Or in this case, we’ll resolutely downplay it until it’s too late to do anything – the crisis is not just upon us, but in the rear view mirror, and very intelligent people will go “darn, that was one of those moments they talk about in history class”.

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