They have a Plan B but the first rule of negotiating is you don’t tell your Plan A you have a Plan B. You just wanna motivate your Plan A to feel necessary and vital so they stick around.
Yeah they do, it’s called surrender.
It would be an insurgency lasting a decade.
What about a plan C?
Plan B for NATO will occur when Russia moves on to the next countries on their list. I still believe support will continue. We either help Ukrainians fight Russia or eventually we do it ourselves. Helping Ukraine is cheaper ultimately
Can we just mortar MTG, Trump and Gaetz into Russia now……that should sufficiently ruin any semblance of political organization that dumpster fire was still clinging onto….lord knows they have proven themselves over here.
Pro-Putin republicans in the US would rather see a strengthened Russia and a weakened US.
I might be wrong but I get the feeling that this is a strategic move from west to trick Russia thinking that the supply is drying out but in reality forcing them to push harder and use more of their ancient shit.
Give them some Land and just go for the peace deal.
Plan B is attack Russia more directly if aid stops, who’s going to stop them?
Never was a “ plan B” it is a fight for survival.
There’s the possibility that Israel may help them out.
Russia works hand in glove with Iran and its proxies- including Hamas- and October 7th was one Hell of a birthday gift for Putin in that it not only took the world’s eyes off Ukraine, but also poured gas on the fire that is the global far right’s campaign of antisemitism.
So it wouldn’t surprise me if Mossad decided to even the score by supporting Ukrainian operations, giving them Iron Dome tech, or arranging for Putin to conveniently fall out a window or slip in the shower.
They have a plan B. Their plan B is to sabitage russian oil export.
The west just doesn’t want this to happen, so we need to stick to plan A and give them our outdated military equipment on which we pretend they cost something despite the fact that we benefit from liquidating our old equipment.
I assume plan b is accept a couple million civilian casualties, let Russia rapidly invade and then start a ten year guerilla shit heap like Afghanistan did to Russia and USA. Withdraw into the hills of Romania, make Russia’s occupation miserable and a financial drain and wait until they economically collapse and hope the EU will help the remaining 20 million Ukrainians build a country from nothing.
Its not a great choice. But it was what everyone though would happen by ~may 2022 anyways. They were just able to have Russia lose half a million soldiers, millions more fleeing draft dodgers, and about 75% of their soviet military stocks first.
Russia can barely advance along a well defined front. How the fuck would they defend against guerilla war across all of Ukraine. The trade off of course is millions Ukrainian civilians brutalized.
Just wonder if you e considered that the aid pro so far has been to bridge the gap for Ukrainian self sufficiency
People don’t realize that even if Russia wins, Putin will still have to deal with Guerilla warfare which is way worse. This is what happened in Vietnam and Afghanistan to the US and in the end they left. Americans can win every battle yet still lose the war thanks to our failed guerilla tactics. This isn’t just the US, Russia lost to Afghanistan as well for the same reasons.
Did England have a plan B if USA failed to defend them? There’s no such thing as a plan B. They are fighting for their very survival.
That’s not a smart idea to say something like that out loud, also it’s a bit of a crying wolf
Plan B is all in on raiding Moscow directly
The possibility of aid stopping and Russians massacring and raping Ukrainians out of hate is scary.
I’ve got a plan fucking B . Do you accept 67year old conscripts. I’m retired sitting on my ass. You got a gun? My dad from Ww2 said he would sign up to fight Russia at the end of WW2. And I think I owe him a go.
I think EU/Europe is happy to let US think they cannot support Ukraine on their own, because it’s always better for someone else to foot the bill. If US does withdraw aid, which is possible, but I don’t know how probable, I think we will see a huge push from EU/Europe to keep Russia contained to Ukraine. Because it is always better if you enemy is fighting in someone else’s backyard.
Also isn’t it better to have Putin think he just needs to control US to win this war? There is a chance he overplays his hand if he thinks he has negated the US aid.
Does EU/Europe actually have the stocks to support Ukraine? Let’s all hope they do.
Them again, world politics is so murky now, who the hell knows what is waiting over the hill.
Plan B is to get to the negotiating table and end this horrorshow.
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Plan b is to join the Russian federation.
Europe needs to step up fast.
They have a Plan B but the first rule of negotiating is you don’t tell your Plan A you have a Plan B. You just wanna motivate your Plan A to feel necessary and vital so they stick around.
Yeah they do, it’s called surrender.
It would be an insurgency lasting a decade.
What about a plan C?
Plan B for NATO will occur when Russia moves on to the next countries on their list. I still believe support will continue. We either help Ukrainians fight Russia or eventually we do it ourselves. Helping Ukraine is cheaper ultimately
Can we just mortar MTG, Trump and Gaetz into Russia now……that should sufficiently ruin any semblance of political organization that dumpster fire was still clinging onto….lord knows they have proven themselves over here.
Pro-Putin republicans in the US would rather see a strengthened Russia and a weakened US.
I might be wrong but I get the feeling that this is a strategic move from west to trick Russia thinking that the supply is drying out but in reality forcing them to push harder and use more of their ancient shit.
Give them some Land and just go for the peace deal.
Plan B is attack Russia more directly if aid stops, who’s going to stop them?
Never was a “ plan B” it is a fight for survival.
There’s the possibility that Israel may help them out.
Russia works hand in glove with Iran and its proxies- including Hamas- and October 7th was one Hell of a birthday gift for Putin in that it not only took the world’s eyes off Ukraine, but also poured gas on the fire that is the global far right’s campaign of antisemitism.
So it wouldn’t surprise me if Mossad decided to even the score by supporting Ukrainian operations, giving them Iron Dome tech, or arranging for Putin to conveniently fall out a window or slip in the shower.
They have a plan B. Their plan B is to sabitage russian oil export.
The west just doesn’t want this to happen, so we need to stick to plan A and give them our outdated military equipment on which we pretend they cost something despite the fact that we benefit from liquidating our old equipment.
I assume plan b is accept a couple million civilian casualties, let Russia rapidly invade and then start a ten year guerilla shit heap like Afghanistan did to Russia and USA. Withdraw into the hills of Romania, make Russia’s occupation miserable and a financial drain and wait until they economically collapse and hope the EU will help the remaining 20 million Ukrainians build a country from nothing.
Its not a great choice. But it was what everyone though would happen by ~may 2022 anyways. They were just able to have Russia lose half a million soldiers, millions more fleeing draft dodgers, and about 75% of their soviet military stocks first.
Russia can barely advance along a well defined front. How the fuck would they defend against guerilla war across all of Ukraine. The trade off of course is millions Ukrainian civilians brutalized.
Just wonder if you e considered that the aid pro so far has been to bridge the gap for Ukrainian self sufficiency
People don’t realize that even if Russia wins, Putin will still have to deal with Guerilla warfare which is way worse. This is what happened in Vietnam and Afghanistan to the US and in the end they left. Americans can win every battle yet still lose the war thanks to our failed guerilla tactics. This isn’t just the US, Russia lost to Afghanistan as well for the same reasons.
Did England have a plan B if USA failed to defend them? There’s no such thing as a plan B. They are fighting for their very survival.
That’s not a smart idea to say something like that out loud, also it’s a bit of a crying wolf
Plan B is all in on raiding Moscow directly
The possibility of aid stopping and Russians massacring and raping Ukrainians out of hate is scary.
I’ve got a plan fucking B . Do you accept 67year old conscripts. I’m retired sitting on my ass. You got a gun? My dad from Ww2 said he would sign up to fight Russia at the end of WW2. And I think I owe him a go.
I think EU/Europe is happy to let US think they cannot support Ukraine on their own, because it’s always better for someone else to foot the bill. If US does withdraw aid, which is possible, but I don’t know how probable, I think we will see a huge push from EU/Europe to keep Russia contained to Ukraine. Because it is always better if you enemy is fighting in someone else’s backyard.
Also isn’t it better to have Putin think he just needs to control US to win this war? There is a chance he overplays his hand if he thinks he has negated the US aid.
Does EU/Europe actually have the stocks to support Ukraine? Let’s all hope they do.
Them again, world politics is so murky now, who the hell knows what is waiting over the hill.
Plan B is to get to the negotiating table and end this horrorshow.