BERLIN, Jan 13 (Reuters) – German Defence Minister Christine Lambrecht on Thursday warned against drawing a link between the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, meant to transport natural gas from Russia to Germany, and the differences with Moscow over Ukraine.
“We should not drag (Nord Stream 2) into this conflict,” Lambrecht told the broadcaster rbb in an interview.
“We need to solve this conflict, and we need to solve it in talks – that’s the opportunity that we have at the moment, and we should use it rather than draw a link to projects that have no connection to this conflict.”
Also just wanted to remind once again that Ukraine was still officially non-aligned and neutral in _November 2014_, after the occupation was well in full swing.
The US has already a package of sanctions ready in which the Republicans (sen. Cruz) wants fullon sanctions of NS2 included.
Needless to say is that a sanctions of NS2 massively benefits US LNG industry (for mostly republican held states).
Even as a German, I am sorry but of course Russia will involve the things they have us by the balls when it comes to negotiating a better position when this whole Ukraine stunt is over.
Sad to see the new German government is just as addicted to cheap Russian gas as the old government.
All those people saying the Greens are against natural gas, yeah about that…
Also funny how they complain about the Green taxonomy and the spending of “their” money on nuclear (when it’s not their money, it’s EU money), while actually giving their money to Putin so that he can terrorize the people of Ukraine, Belarus, Kazachstan, Georgia and Moldova.
What the fuck is that moron doing? If Putin invades Ukraine or similar, people will now start accusing Germany of encouraging him. Even if you’re not willing to cancel NS2 over Ukraine don’t just reveal it and weaken NATO/EU’s hand.
Every once in a while germany decides to fuck up the rest of europe for some reason
“Don’t put our nose in our mess”.
Nobody is dragging NS2 to the conflict, NS2 is there from the beginning
Embarrassing.
NS2 is part of the problem since it’s inception.
Ah yes, the spice must flow.
In which russian company will the German defence minister be employed after his term?
We are totally willing to let Ukraine get invaded as long as we can get our gas, German minister
Germany, stop being a pathetic weak country for once!
Each time Russia committed threats on European soil you always bowed down instead of calling Putin’s regime out on their actions.
Get a grip um Gottes willen!
Good!
This is exactly why NS2 was such a bad idea.
Without it, Ukraine always had the poison pill of blocking Russian gas exports so it Russia was guaranteed to be crippled economically if it invaded.
Now you removed any leverage from Ukraine to defend itself and then blatantly say “we’re not going to stop importing gas whatever Russia does”.
LoL wtf miss? who’d have thought, not like every criticism of this pipeline before all this mess was telling stories about whats going on right now. jeeeeeeeez so dumb.
1. Cancel NS2
2. Cancel nuclear exit
Guys from EU (except Germany and Hungary) – just boycott the gas that coming from Russia. Do not buy it. Directly or via reverse. Do not use it. Punish Russia, Putin, commies, whatever and hold your higher moral ground. Find alternative providers at least.
I’m often browse /r/europe. You’re so free and cool (and wealthy too). Just do not depend on Russians – you can afford it. Is that so difficult?
You can quite clearly see that the ministers (defence, head of government) trying to deny the link between NS2 and Ukraine belong to the same party. The party which coincidentally alo holds the government in the state of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern. The state in which NS2 comes ashore
You can’t be this fucking stupid.
Love that as an American, we get so much shit over our country, especially when it comes to foreign intervention and gas, and then Germany sees Russia occupying and invading another country and shrugs its shoulders and gets a pass for it.
It’s all political theater – as usual. Gorillas thumping their chest as is required by the script. NS2 will open sooner or later – of course ( its all ready complete and filled). Cheap Russian gas for the next 100 years. The Press beats up the stocks with nasty articles of this and that person … and they too will recover. The only people that suffer are the ones caught in the middle… on the ground getting hammered and in the cold – as usual.
lol
Ukraina will unofficially join Europe because of all the war refuges that will move to EU.
Another war in Europe on horizon and ofcourse it’s Germany fault, go figure.
This is despicable
Just to get the timeline clear…
1970s: Germany and whole western Europe start importing Russian gas.
Neither the cold war nor the USSR breaking apart disturbs the continues flow of gas because big parts of Russia’s economy depend on their fossil fuel sells.
2000: Private energy companies from all over Europe discuss plans to replace/extend the pipelines either along the same route, through the nordic countries or entirely under sea.
2005: Ukraine doesn’t pay for their own gas deliveries and gets cut off until they start paying their debts, so they steal the gas transported to western Europe instead.
Late 2005: The cheaper route (through Ukraine) seems more problematic now, so construction of Nordstream1 starts.
The small number of european countries opposing it react completely sane^(/s) (I think it was Poland’s Minister of Defence who called it an continuation of the Hitler-Stalin pact…)
2014: Russia annexes the crimean peninsula. The whole world doesn’t give a shit. The EU introduces some half-assed sanction on the visa process. Russia accuses Germany of allying with Ukraine, because their foreign minister holds a speech in Kiew condemning Russia’s actions. E.ON, Wintershall, Royal Dutch Shell, OMV and Engie continue their plans to start construction of Nordstream2 alongside NS1.
2017: The US (after having increased their productions of expensive fracking gas in recent years) cite Russias involvement in the syrian civil war as the reason for sanctioning Russia’s energy production sector, obviously with the sole purpose of being able to compete internationally. After more than 40 years suddenly claiming that importing russian gas is a security risk to the whole western world triggers the “fuck off”-reaction that was to be expected and actually creates support for Nordstream2.
Now: This sub -completely ignoring that timeline- comes to the conclusion that it’s all the fault of Germany’s government as they intentionally forced all of Europe into dependence on russian gas and are now selling Ukraine to Russia to get a job at Gazprom. And then they spend months on ripping political statements out of context and parotting US influenced opinion pieces as if their were real facts to support their claim.
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Isn’t it a wonderful post-factual world we live in today?
Some how you all expect Germany to do what’s best for your countries but in reallity german goverment has only duty to people of Germany. And on top of that you are forgeting there are two more russian gas lines in eu.
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BERLIN, Jan 13 (Reuters) – German Defence Minister Christine Lambrecht on Thursday warned against drawing a link between the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, meant to transport natural gas from Russia to Germany, and the differences with Moscow over Ukraine.
“We should not drag (Nord Stream 2) into this conflict,” Lambrecht told the broadcaster rbb in an interview.
“We need to solve this conflict, and we need to solve it in talks – that’s the opportunity that we have at the moment, and we should use it rather than draw a link to projects that have no connection to this conflict.”
Also just wanted to remind once again that Ukraine was still officially non-aligned and neutral in _November 2014_, after the occupation was well in full swing.
The US has already a package of sanctions ready in which the Republicans (sen. Cruz) wants fullon sanctions of NS2 included.
Needless to say is that a sanctions of NS2 massively benefits US LNG industry (for mostly republican held states).
https://www.politico.com/newsletters/national-security-daily/2022/01/12/the-dueling-lobbying-campaigns-on-cruzs-ns2-bill-495703
Even as a German, I am sorry but of course Russia will involve the things they have us by the balls when it comes to negotiating a better position when this whole Ukraine stunt is over.
Sad to see the new German government is just as addicted to cheap Russian gas as the old government.
All those people saying the Greens are against natural gas, yeah about that…
Also funny how they complain about the Green taxonomy and the spending of “their” money on nuclear (when it’s not their money, it’s EU money), while actually giving their money to Putin so that he can terrorize the people of Ukraine, Belarus, Kazachstan, Georgia and Moldova.
What the fuck is that moron doing? If Putin invades Ukraine or similar, people will now start accusing Germany of encouraging him. Even if you’re not willing to cancel NS2 over Ukraine don’t just reveal it and weaken NATO/EU’s hand.
Every once in a while germany decides to fuck up the rest of europe for some reason
“Don’t put our nose in our mess”.
Nobody is dragging NS2 to the conflict, NS2 is there from the beginning
Embarrassing.
NS2 is part of the problem since it’s inception.
Ah yes, the spice must flow.
In which russian company will the German defence minister be employed after his term?
We are totally willing to let Ukraine get invaded as long as we can get our gas, German minister
Germany, stop being a pathetic weak country for once!
Each time Russia committed threats on European soil you always bowed down instead of calling Putin’s regime out on their actions.
Get a grip um Gottes willen!
Good!
This is exactly why NS2 was such a bad idea.
Without it, Ukraine always had the poison pill of blocking Russian gas exports so it Russia was guaranteed to be crippled economically if it invaded.
Now you removed any leverage from Ukraine to defend itself and then blatantly say “we’re not going to stop importing gas whatever Russia does”.
LoL wtf miss? who’d have thought, not like every criticism of this pipeline before all this mess was telling stories about whats going on right now. jeeeeeeeez so dumb.
1. Cancel NS2
2. Cancel nuclear exit
Guys from EU (except Germany and Hungary) – just boycott the gas that coming from Russia. Do not buy it. Directly or via reverse. Do not use it. Punish Russia, Putin, commies, whatever and hold your higher moral ground. Find alternative providers at least.
I’m often browse /r/europe. You’re so free and cool (and wealthy too). Just do not depend on Russians – you can afford it. Is that so difficult?
You can quite clearly see that the ministers (defence, head of government) trying to deny the link between NS2 and Ukraine belong to the same party. The party which coincidentally alo holds the government in the state of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern. The state in which NS2 comes ashore
You can’t be this fucking stupid.
Love that as an American, we get so much shit over our country, especially when it comes to foreign intervention and gas, and then Germany sees Russia occupying and invading another country and shrugs its shoulders and gets a pass for it.
It’s all political theater – as usual. Gorillas thumping their chest as is required by the script. NS2 will open sooner or later – of course ( its all ready complete and filled). Cheap Russian gas for the next 100 years. The Press beats up the stocks with nasty articles of this and that person … and they too will recover. The only people that suffer are the ones caught in the middle… on the ground getting hammered and in the cold – as usual.
lol
Ukraina will unofficially join Europe because of all the war refuges that will move to EU.
Another war in Europe on horizon and ofcourse it’s Germany fault, go figure.
This is despicable
Just to get the timeline clear…
1970s: Germany and whole western Europe start importing Russian gas.
Neither the cold war nor the USSR breaking apart disturbs the continues flow of gas because big parts of Russia’s economy depend on their fossil fuel sells.
2000: Private energy companies from all over Europe discuss plans to replace/extend the pipelines either along the same route, through the nordic countries or entirely under sea.
2005: Ukraine doesn’t pay for their own gas deliveries and gets cut off until they start paying their debts, so they steal the gas transported to western Europe instead.
Late 2005: The cheaper route (through Ukraine) seems more problematic now, so construction of Nordstream1 starts.
The small number of european countries opposing it react completely sane^(/s) (I think it was Poland’s Minister of Defence who called it an continuation of the Hitler-Stalin pact…)
2014: Russia annexes the crimean peninsula. The whole world doesn’t give a shit. The EU introduces some half-assed sanction on the visa process. Russia accuses Germany of allying with Ukraine, because their foreign minister holds a speech in Kiew condemning Russia’s actions. E.ON, Wintershall, Royal Dutch Shell, OMV and Engie continue their plans to start construction of Nordstream2 alongside NS1.
2017: The US (after having increased their productions of expensive fracking gas in recent years) cite Russias involvement in the syrian civil war as the reason for sanctioning Russia’s energy production sector, obviously with the sole purpose of being able to compete internationally. After more than 40 years suddenly claiming that importing russian gas is a security risk to the whole western world triggers the “fuck off”-reaction that was to be expected and actually creates support for Nordstream2.
Now: This sub -completely ignoring that timeline- comes to the conclusion that it’s all the fault of Germany’s government as they intentionally forced all of Europe into dependence on russian gas and are now selling Ukraine to Russia to get a job at Gazprom. And then they spend months on ripping political statements out of context and parotting US influenced opinion pieces as if their were real facts to support their claim.
​
Isn’t it a wonderful post-factual world we live in today?
Some how you all expect Germany to do what’s best for your countries but in reallity german goverment has only duty to people of Germany. And on top of that you are forgeting there are two more russian gas lines in eu.
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