Opinion: Really, young voters? You want to teach Democrats a lesson by letting Trump back into the White House?
by mredofcourse
Opinion: Really, young voters? You want to teach Democrats a lesson by letting Trump back into the White House?
by mredofcourse
38 comments
Be a shame if we lost our democracy to trump because some people never learned to see a bigger political picture than what they read on tik Tok
Wouldn’t be a surprise, but still a shame
See: 2016
This is the same logic from 2016. Electing Trump was supposed to really push Democrats to the left to attract the progressive vote. That didn’t happen. What did happen is we got Biden in 2020 because a whole lot of people didn’t feel safe voting for riskier left wing candidates when the alternative was four more years of Trump.
Not understanding why sending our LGBTQ friends to camps is a reasonable response to Biden not being perfect. Please give me the pro side of this argument. I really wanna hear that one.
If everyone young voted the libs would be the cons and MAGA would be gone.
Voting Biden gives progressives the best chance for that future and you have to vote consistently.
But ok Gen Z, be like us lame millennials and only turn out in droves once then fuck off the rest of your life. That’s what got us the Tea Party when you were kids. Me and my generation? We did that. Please don’t pull a stupid like us. If we showed up after 2008 each time Bernie would have been a 2 term POTUS by now. Sorry you have to clean up our mess but please do it so this isn’t our last election.
Now isn’t the time to be fucking around and rocking the boat. If you want to have future elections to vote in, Trump has to lose.
There will be two real choices.
More elections down the road.
No more elections down the road
Trump would just nuke Gaza and say “mission accomplished”
As someone who was badgered as a young person for voting failures that weren’t the fault of young people in the first place, it just makes the people doing the badgering seem like out of touch idiots.
More focus should be on the massive population of US voters who don’t bother to vote. Candidates could also be better than “milquetoast corporatists” too – that would go a long fucking way.
> Listen to what younger voters told NBC News they’re upset about: the country’s slow pace on reversing climate change, Biden’s failure to fully cancel student loan debt, his inability to federally codify the right to abortion and, **perhaps most starkly, his handling of Israel’s war against Hamas and the humanitarian crisis in Gaza.**
I find this extremely puzzling, there isn’t an anti-Israel option on the ballot. You think Trump is going to handle this situation with more of an interest in preventing civilian casualties in Gaza? If anything Biden has been more skeptical of Israel than probably any President in modern history. We don’t have a lot of anti-Israel politicians on the national stage right now, maybe that will be different in 20-30 years, but right now we don’t really have someone who thinks that Israel is an apartheid state that shouldn’t exist who could be President.
I hate that this election is anyone but trump again too. Biden is trying. I do think both men should retire but will vote for Biden to try and hang on to as many of my rights as possible already lost some. Sad that I was born with more rights in 1981 than I have now 43 years later 😒
I dont know a single person younger than me prepared to vote for anyone other than Biden. This is clickbait ad revenue toilet paper.
A bunch of leftist subs I follow have literally banned “lesser of two evils” rhetoric. And it really blows my mind. You’re not going to save kids in Gaza by withholding your vote to teach the Dems a lesson (they aren’t going to change anyway). But you might end up with more women and kids dying here too if the right wing takes both houses and the presidency.
Teach them a lesson for what? Expanding healthcare? Passing the biggest climate action bill in history? Creating a historic number of jobs with historically low unemployment? Raising wages? Not only supporting the same goals as the voters, but actually accomplishing many of them?
I REALLY don’t think this is happening as much as people SAY it’s happening.
The young people I know absolutely hate Donald Trump or think he’s a joke and one of their main concerns is Climate Change. They generally do not want to hand the election to Trump because of stuff going on in Israel/Gaza and they get that Democrats have been making better progress than Republicans ever have.
That’s how we ended up with a christo-fascist supreme court.
We want young people to save us. But we’ve ignored their importance for decades. I remember when as a millennial we were blamed for Clinton’s loss in 2016.
The olds want us to be progressive, but not too progressive so as to upset the corporate structure. They want us to be bold, but not so bold so as to raise taxes on the wealthy and redistribute wealth to the poor and needy. I watched as people threw her under a bus and voted third party, or didn’t vote because she wasn’t ‘likeable’, or because ‘they screwed bernie’. All those folks paved the path to where we are now, struggling to understand how anyone can be thinking of voting for Trump.
But we cannot *scare* democracy into surviving. Americans don’t know fear as other people do. We don’t know what it looks like when a tank crushes our village and blows up granny in her house. We don’t know what being forced to vote for someone because if we don’t we will be arrested or beaten looks like. We don’t understand that everything we have can be taken from us in a moment. We have tv, and movies, and sports, and cell phones, and youtube, and reddit, and an entire fantasy worlds built to keep us distracted and content.
The tide of fascism is broken through long hard work and many many people dying and suffering. I don’t want that for any American, but it may simply be that our system is ***too*** broken for repair. I desperately want to be wrong. But people in America have become too complacent about our prosperity, too sure of our domination of the world scene. Read a little history about empires that grow complacent, and a people that no longer believe in anything except consumption.
Folks are worried about the fruit being rotten when the entire tree is on fire.
I’m a leftist. I believe real change can’t come electorally. Conservatives stop it, and liberals want slow milquetoast adjustments.
But I will be campaigning for, donating to, and voting for Biden/Harris.
I’m idealistic. Not a moron.
If they let him, he will mess up schooling more than he did before. Most young people are not aware that Trump removed tax credits that went towards paying for school. He also removed some protections against predatory student loans.
Pro tip: demeaning young voters or anyone disillusioned by Biden, is not the way to go about it.
Sure, you might think they are dumb, or naive, or stubborn, but insulting them isn’t winning you votes.
You have to explain why their decision is both: understandable, but unwise. You have to show how the alternative is fundamentally worse.
Ultimately, you have to show that you are listening, care about their perspective, and give them hope that their vote does mean something. Just because many of us are jaded pragmatists doesn’t mean they are, so those arguments don’t work. You have to meet them where their interests lie.
This is a symptom of the over-simplification of what democracy is and how it works. Democracy isn’t a “turn up once every four years” and vote kind of thing. It requires advanced citizenship, to borrow a phrase from a commentator.
You don’t get progressives taking over the Democrats by voting once every 4 years. You have to show up on off cycles and vote then, too. You need to show up at the primaries. How do you think these fascist goons got elected? A bunch of authoritarians showed up *at every local race*. Just voting Bernie in doesn’t solve anything because he couldn’t pass his agenda with that House and Senate.
If you want to move the needle, you need to put the work in. All politics is ultimately local and it’s by influencing local politics that you will influence national politics.
Trying to “teach them a lesson” won’t work. It’ll be construed as a temper tantrum by non-voters. And then the fascists win because they’ll actually show up every time.
I think these stupid articles are tone deaf because of genuine real complaints about the AIPAC influence on the democratic party that are being ignored. They feel written as Democratic party planted crap, or maybe just absolute tone deaf opinion writers.
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This has NOTHING to do with young voters not being enthusastic to keep Trump out. It’s not wrong to criticize your president from the left. The age of the average person running the country only exacerbates how younger voters feel like nobody is listening to them.
Last time they get to vote
This has been the GOP strategy since they lost because of Ross Perot. Convince progressives that Democrats are holding back progress reforms so they will not vote for Democrats. This way all Republicans have to do is block progressive reforms and then blame the Democrats for not being strong enough to stop them.
Republicans then win and enact regressive reforms. The Democrats cannot undo the Republican’s efforts so the progressives blame the Democrats. Rinse, wash, repeat.
I tremendous info war is being waged under our noses by the Russians, assisted by the Chinese.
‘Christian Republic of America’ has a nice ring to it.
/s
Really old voters? You want to teach democrats a lesson by letting Trump back into the White House?
It’s not young voters who are supporting him
Teaching big pharma a lesson by dying of cancer.
This article is really effective at sowing discord among blue voters. :/ That’s too bad.
We honestly arent prepared for the social truces that allow Democrats under a big tent to be tested as they will be. We lose if we break into smaller groups and fight each other, no matter the reason. We all want to create the same future, we have to focus on that. Personally, i like animals, so its obvious to that i should be voting for the party that protects them. I think birthing is a personal choice for the mother, and that any unwanted pregnancy should have safe modern medical abortions as an option, and theres only one party defending that access. I think people in love should be able to marry each other in whatever combination, and only the blue party has tried to protect and extend those personal freedoms. Same with how we dress or define ourselves fwiw.
Democrats aren’t perfect, but the blue tent is the only one interested in creating the world i want to share. The red tent wants to edge the end times. Theyre calling Trump a god ffs. Its beyond defending. They’ll scrap every last natural resource, end biodiversity, criminalize cultural diversity, ruin electoral power… but id rather not spiral.
Joe Biden has been a badass president and deserves your vote for all the rescuing from trumps american carnage. If he dies we will be ok, its a team effort. A blue vote is obvious for me.
I thought we did this in 2016, it didn’t work out very well…..
Letting Trump win will mean that you’ll never be able to get him or his cronies out power ever.
Voting for Trump is like voting to never vote again!
* It’s the young people!!
* It’s the leftists!!
* It’s the lazy people who refuse to vote!!
The fact is that the Republican Party is doing a phenomenal job of selling fascism as something people want while the Democratic Party refuses to learn from their failure to earn enough votes.
This is not reality. This is the newest fear mongering narrative that’s being pushed. The conservative right is terrified of young voters, as evidenced by them repeatedly talking about raising the voting age.
If the younger generation continues to come out and vote, Trump will get stomped, and that’s why you’re starting to see these types of stories come out.
No, but the Republican Party is sure as fuck trying to manipulate them into doing that by posing as progressives.
Democrats need to keep hammering home Roe V Wade and Republicans role in overthrowing women’s health care. Young women make up half of ‘young people’ ask those young ladies how they feel about having autonomy over their bodies being compromised.
News flash: tons of people are really, really stupid. Add inexperience of youth and social-media-induced hubris, and you get pro-LGBT, woman’s rights activists against war and human rights violations sitting on their hands as MAGAhats make gay illegal, strip women of bodily autonomy, and support the most authoritarian regimes in the world.
As a 34 year old American voter (at the tail end of the age group they listed in the article), while I am kind of disillusioned with Biden, I also recognize that he’s definitely tried to do what he promised in a lot of cases (and has been blocked by Republicans and a conservative super-majority in the Supreme Court). I’m under ZERO illusions that Trump would be better. He wouldn’t. Biden should be the clear choice for the moment.
I’m of the opinion that we need to break the two party system and get money out of politics, but for the moment this is what we’re working with and I definitely think another Trump presidency would end our democracy. It would be like watching Chancellor Palpatine create the First Galactic Empire. Heck, he’d probably even end up dissolving congress, like Palps did; I’m definitely not about that.
Whether you agree with the opinion or not, these articles serve nothing good. They don’t convince any would-be voter to come over to vote for Biden but they do help turn people off because they have an element of condescension.
When you encounter someone who claims to be progressive but isn’t voting for Biden, make your best pitch against that and don’t worry about chasing people down rabbit holes. Especially in a world where the internet is full of bad faith actors.
I think it’s being fed by Maga and foreign social media disinformation and propaganda. I think they’re just a new front in the propaganda war.
I also think that the idealism and naivete of youth makes them susceptible to it.