My biggest worry with it is that it will turn functioning low wage alcoholics into non functioning no wage alcoholics. When the choice is between rent, utilities or food and drink for an actual alcohol dependant, I only see drink winning. I’m really shocked when I see people saying that it’s a progressive move when it really only effects people with less disposable income
Alcohol is a drug?
Oh I’m definitely doing drugs now
Alcohol is a drug
I think, instead, well see a booming blackmarket for Poitín.
Anyone got any yokes?
Got a Kilo of MDMA ordered, cheaper that a slab now….
Hope so
I really like these fact check pieces the Journal do. Normally very informative.
Friend of mine said that’s what happened in Scotland?
Does it mean people will do less cocaine on a night out now ?
Yes
Yes.
Shur didn’t I only go out meself to find a drug pusher last night for a gram of the white schtuff.
Ya couldn’t be drinkin with those prices………..
I never understood why people would suddenly substitute alcohol, which is legal and socially accepted, for other drugs which are illegal and not socially accepted.
We didn’t alcohol. We made it slightly more expensive but you’d swear we outlawed it entirely with how people are carrying on about it.
I doubt any one I know would start doing drugs (coke etc) now just because alcohol is more expensive. They will either just drink less or spend more money with it.
“The unfortunate reality of the pandemic is that it has to be paid for by the peasants !” FFG spokespersons will be spouting.
Whilst the tech and multis have had surging profits the state are unwilling to ask them to pay a little bit more. Hard to see this as anything other than another tax on the poor. I have a boiling resentment to theses who support sweet heart deals on corporate taxes. Only two weeks before Christmas Meetings took place with Facebook and google and government officials were taking place and non disclosures were signed.
Apple 0.5% I mean whoever signed off on this tax base should sent on up the mart !
We don’t have a government with foresight, look at the spend on advisory rolls and around social media, fucking troll farms of anonymous clowns. Pushing an agenda with vitriol.
This current lot actually don’t give a fiddlers about working folks or the social class who are in some cases victims of the state.
Young cllr Mc manus from Terenure was tweeting the inner working of his views about free houses. In his profile is a photo of him with state sponsored jewellery around his neck. Outrageously dumb young lad.
Scotlands drug use has been increasing for 20 years. The studies linked in the article claim minimum pricing didn’t over impact this increase. Last year was their highest number of drug related deaths
They only introduced it 3 years ago so the long term impact is still not known. I think Unproven is fair given the short amount of time it’s been in place. It’s obvious it will increase drug use but how many people and how much drugs is unknown
>there is no evidence to support this claim.
>We therefore rate the claim: UNPROVEN.
Eh…
I know they spin some yarn about how it might happen, but come on.
Hopefully
Asda in Enniskillen will be full of Mexicans….. Coming over here, taking our drink!
100%. We’ve been comparing the cost in both financial and hangover between mdma, ket, mushrooms and acid in pubs and clubs since I’ve been old enough to be there and often illegal substances win every time.
Maybe but it definitely leads to more people making their own booze at home. We tried it in the 1920s. Didn’t work then. Won’t work now.
So what I take from this is that the majority of the studies have been done with alcoholics, and people admitted to hospital for alcohol related incidents. I feel like this is missing the point that people have been making.
It’s not that alcoholics will switch to other drugs. Their dependency is on alcohol, so it will just cost them more.
The main worry is that recreational drinkers will substitute alcohol and drugs, depending on price, which as the article says, some professionals and people in the studies have said is happening. So there does seem to be support that that is actually happening. It’s just the article mostly focuses on problem drinkers.
Drugs are lower in calories anyway.
Surely the problem with this study is obvious?
It’s impossible to accurately measure the use of illegal narcotics accurately, making this whole fluff piece invalid.
Anyone close enough to the border will likely turn to the North to stock up. I pity the people in the very south of the country like Cork, Kerry, pretty much anyone south of Athlone, as it probably wouldn’t pay to go with fuel prices the way they are.
Yes, I am on drugs right now
If anything it’s more likely for crime to spike a bit, desperate people are gonna need more money, way to go to the clown shoes in government for thinking ahead
Could someone please explain to me why they made this a minimum pricing instead of a tax ? I don’t understand the reasoning behind it, even after reading several articles. I understand the idea of raising the price of cheapest alcohols, but a tax could do the same while also raising price of high end ones (only bought by people that have significant money) and funding the right associations ?
It’s clear as day the amount of people who are hooked on drinking a poisonous depressant instead of reaching out for help. Alcohol destroys most families in this country yet people on here crying cause they have to spend more money to drink some poison which does nothing but cause a lot of violent acts and suicide in the country. Raise the price even more.
Where is the proof this price increase will turn people to drug use instead of anecdotal nonsense?
This is one of those apples to oranges comparisons. The MUP in Scotland is significantly less than the one in Ireland so it isn’t a fair comparison. It would be interesting to compare the the percentage different between the average pre MUP and the new MUP in Scotland and Ireland. If Scotland saw a 5% increase and Ireland implemented a 20% increase then you are not comparing the same thing. I have a feeling that the average unit price in Ireland before this was higher than the MUP in Scotland.
People switching from alcohol to drug use is one metric. People who have already use drugs and alcohol, their increase/decrease in drug/alcohol consumption is probably a more interesting metric. If alcohol consumption is trending downwards in general, will this increase have any significant impact on that downward trend?
I don’t really see how this is appropriate for a fact check article. Fact checks are usually for claims which are provably true or false, not for predictions about the future.
The only way to check this claim would be to wait and see if minimum pricing has any impact on drug use.
Fiver yokes
Absolutely, although I don’t know why because drinking and taking drugs are very different things. Like I can’t imagine deciding to do a line or two of speed because I couldn’t afford a naggin or 8 cans of something
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My biggest worry with it is that it will turn functioning low wage alcoholics into non functioning no wage alcoholics. When the choice is between rent, utilities or food and drink for an actual alcohol dependant, I only see drink winning. I’m really shocked when I see people saying that it’s a progressive move when it really only effects people with less disposable income
Alcohol is a drug?
Oh I’m definitely doing drugs now
Alcohol is a drug
I think, instead, well see a booming blackmarket for Poitín.
Anyone got any yokes?
Got a Kilo of MDMA ordered, cheaper that a slab now….
Hope so
I really like these fact check pieces the Journal do. Normally very informative.
Friend of mine said that’s what happened in Scotland?
Does it mean people will do less cocaine on a night out now ?
Yes
Yes.
Shur didn’t I only go out meself to find a drug pusher last night for a gram of the white schtuff.
Ya couldn’t be drinkin with those prices………..
I never understood why people would suddenly substitute alcohol, which is legal and socially accepted, for other drugs which are illegal and not socially accepted.
We didn’t alcohol. We made it slightly more expensive but you’d swear we outlawed it entirely with how people are carrying on about it.
I doubt any one I know would start doing drugs (coke etc) now just because alcohol is more expensive. They will either just drink less or spend more money with it.
“The unfortunate reality of the pandemic is that it has to be paid for by the peasants !” FFG spokespersons will be spouting.
Whilst the tech and multis have had surging profits the state are unwilling to ask them to pay a little bit more. Hard to see this as anything other than another tax on the poor. I have a boiling resentment to theses who support sweet heart deals on corporate taxes. Only two weeks before Christmas Meetings took place with Facebook and google and government officials were taking place and non disclosures were signed.
Apple 0.5% I mean whoever signed off on this tax base should sent on up the mart !
We don’t have a government with foresight, look at the spend on advisory rolls and around social media, fucking troll farms of anonymous clowns. Pushing an agenda with vitriol.
This current lot actually don’t give a fiddlers about working folks or the social class who are in some cases victims of the state.
Young cllr Mc manus from Terenure was tweeting the inner working of his views about free houses. In his profile is a photo of him with state sponsored jewellery around his neck. Outrageously dumb young lad.
Scotlands drug use has been increasing for 20 years. The studies linked in the article claim minimum pricing didn’t over impact this increase. Last year was their highest number of drug related deaths
They only introduced it 3 years ago so the long term impact is still not known. I think Unproven is fair given the short amount of time it’s been in place. It’s obvious it will increase drug use but how many people and how much drugs is unknown
>there is no evidence to support this claim.
>We therefore rate the claim: UNPROVEN.
Eh…
I know they spin some yarn about how it might happen, but come on.
Hopefully
Asda in Enniskillen will be full of Mexicans….. Coming over here, taking our drink!
100%. We’ve been comparing the cost in both financial and hangover between mdma, ket, mushrooms and acid in pubs and clubs since I’ve been old enough to be there and often illegal substances win every time.
Maybe but it definitely leads to more people making their own booze at home. We tried it in the 1920s. Didn’t work then. Won’t work now.
So what I take from this is that the majority of the studies have been done with alcoholics, and people admitted to hospital for alcohol related incidents. I feel like this is missing the point that people have been making.
It’s not that alcoholics will switch to other drugs. Their dependency is on alcohol, so it will just cost them more.
The main worry is that recreational drinkers will substitute alcohol and drugs, depending on price, which as the article says, some professionals and people in the studies have said is happening. So there does seem to be support that that is actually happening. It’s just the article mostly focuses on problem drinkers.
Drugs are lower in calories anyway.
Surely the problem with this study is obvious?
It’s impossible to accurately measure the use of illegal narcotics accurately, making this whole fluff piece invalid.
Anyone close enough to the border will likely turn to the North to stock up. I pity the people in the very south of the country like Cork, Kerry, pretty much anyone south of Athlone, as it probably wouldn’t pay to go with fuel prices the way they are.
Yes, I am on drugs right now
If anything it’s more likely for crime to spike a bit, desperate people are gonna need more money, way to go to the clown shoes in government for thinking ahead
Could someone please explain to me why they made this a minimum pricing instead of a tax ? I don’t understand the reasoning behind it, even after reading several articles. I understand the idea of raising the price of cheapest alcohols, but a tax could do the same while also raising price of high end ones (only bought by people that have significant money) and funding the right associations ?
It’s clear as day the amount of people who are hooked on drinking a poisonous depressant instead of reaching out for help. Alcohol destroys most families in this country yet people on here crying cause they have to spend more money to drink some poison which does nothing but cause a lot of violent acts and suicide in the country. Raise the price even more.
Where is the proof this price increase will turn people to drug use instead of anecdotal nonsense?
This is one of those apples to oranges comparisons. The MUP in Scotland is significantly less than the one in Ireland so it isn’t a fair comparison. It would be interesting to compare the the percentage different between the average pre MUP and the new MUP in Scotland and Ireland. If Scotland saw a 5% increase and Ireland implemented a 20% increase then you are not comparing the same thing. I have a feeling that the average unit price in Ireland before this was higher than the MUP in Scotland.
People switching from alcohol to drug use is one metric. People who have already use drugs and alcohol, their increase/decrease in drug/alcohol consumption is probably a more interesting metric. If alcohol consumption is trending downwards in general, will this increase have any significant impact on that downward trend?
I don’t really see how this is appropriate for a fact check article. Fact checks are usually for claims which are provably true or false, not for predictions about the future.
The only way to check this claim would be to wait and see if minimum pricing has any impact on drug use.
Fiver yokes
Absolutely, although I don’t know why because drinking and taking drugs are very different things. Like I can’t imagine deciding to do a line or two of speed because I couldn’t afford a naggin or 8 cans of something
Ket is skyrocketing as we speak