THIS is why when we say Trump is unfit for office, we mean Trump is unfit for office!
The point could not be made more clearly.
Does Trump’s lawyer realize they just said it’s ok for Biden to have their client killed?
Figure it this way. Trump is screwed regardless based on this example. Either presidents are not immune, or Joe Biden is going to call up Seal Team 6 and take him out. Anything that Trump gets away with, Biden does too.
I bet someone at Team Trump is wondering who blabbed about their plan to have Special Forces assassinate Trump’s political rivals if he becomes President again.
Trump’s lawyer eviscerated Trump’s planned defense for his criminal trial by saying impeachment can (and should) be followed by a criminal proceeding for the same crime. Trump’s team previously adopted the opposite position on this question, when they said any criminal proceeding is unconstitutional double jeopardy since he already had an impeachment proceeding launched against him for the insurrection.
So, according to this argument, Biden is free to have Trump assassinated. So long as the Senate does not convict him (controlled by Dems), then Biden could rid the world of the Trump freak show forever? That seems to be what Trump’s lawyers are arguing in court.
Copying what I said elsewhere:
The lawyer made an argument about the framers definitely not wanting factions of government but then relies on the argument that impeachment by the Senate would clear any ambiguities of crimes during presidential duty but ignores the fact we had exactly that…. a “faction” who ruled not to impeach because they were complicit….a faction.
This will eventually go to the SCOTUS, right?
They said the only way a president can be tried criminally is if they are impeached by the House and convicted by the Senate. So if Trump had killed a prostitute with his bare hands and drug her corpse through the Oval Office, and republicans refused to find him guilty, then at no point in his life can he be criminally charged with murder.
Not going end well for Trump if he get’s his immunity.
The question that the judges should have posed to Trump’s counsel is whether POTUS is immune from prosecution for ordering the assassination of Trump’s counsel and of every GOP Senator that would vote to remove POTUS from office.
What stops Seal Team Six from assassinating the average citizen who might have a large following, say, on national TV or social media from criticizing him? If they go after rivals, they’ll go after “you” as well.
So if Trump wins this then Biden could just order his execution and it would be perfectly okay with everybody right?
Don’t give him any ideas
Oh man the audio for this was so frustrating to listen to. The judge kept asking “In your opinion, if a president ordered an assassination, *but wasn’t impeached*, then could he be prosecuted? It sounds like no”
And he’d respond “It’s a qualified yes – because he could if he were impeached first”
And this went back and forth like 5 times
Instead of chanting ‘lock her up’ they could have chanted ‘shoot her in the head’ and it would have been perfectly cool and perfectly legal.
This headline should be read by every voter in the country. Dont tell me that you “dont like to follow politics” when one of the literal candidates for president is asserting that he can assassinate random americans with no consequences.
Can we just unplug the government and plug it back in.
I don’t think it’s working correctly.
This is a Republican wet dream.
He made the stupid argument. The judge cornered him with a hypothetical using his own logic. Checkmate.
I hate it here
He is just trying to stall the court case, I hope they take his lawyers licenses away
I hate the argument that a GOP majority in a senate can not convict impeachment, so therefore he should be immune to criminal prosecution. That’s so scary
Trump’s lawyers appear to have just argued for Biden to send the SEALS to Mar-a-Lago…
The whole argument is **null and void**. His attorney went in with a fog machine, but forgot to put enough water in it!! THE LAW
If a president is suspected of committing a crime while in office, the impeachment process can be used to address their conduct and potentially remove them from office. However, impeachment itself does not involve criminal charges or penalties like imprisonment. **It’s about determining whether the official should remain in their position.**
After a president leaves office, whether, through resignation, impeachment and removal, or the natural end of their term, they can be criminally charged for offenses committed either before or during their presidency. This includes serious crimes like ordering illegal acts, including election interference, ordering killings of political enemies, or other criminal activities. **INCREDIBLE that this was even an argument**
*Dark Brandon loads up in Marine Force One with SEAL Team 6.*
The conservative subreddit isn’t even talking about this. And trump supporters are waiting for tweets and fox news to tell them what to think about this legal argument his lawyers put forward today.
America is wasting too much treasure, time. And air on the orange buffoon
At this point I’m pretty convinced that his lawyers do this stuff to show how dangerous he can be and they are submarining his case on purpose at times.
Biden needs to test this theory….
Raise your hand if you’re sick of hearing about Donald Trump every fucking day 👋
The POTUS who orders the assassination of their political rival wouldn’t just sit back and allow Congress to impeach them if they’d only be criminally liable for subsequent impeachment and removal via Congress.
I can’t believe this is an actual argument being made by anyone save some sovereign citizen loon.
POTUS immunity invalidates the entire U.S. Constitution.
So…
In Trump’s lawyers mind, what happens if a president has their successor assassinated after losing reelection?
Say this assassination happens the day before the next president is sworn in.
Dark Brandon: “is that so….Jack?”
So let’s play this out. Biden whacks Trump and his kids and Bannon and Stone just for shits and giggles.
Then they take out Johnson so there’s no speaker of the house to call for an impeachment.
As soon as another speaker is voted in they get taken out.
And so on and so on. So no impeachment can ever be put into motion.
That’s the argument Trump’s lawyer is making.
Seems like a risky argument for someone who is not the current sitting president. Kinda opens the doors for the current sitting president to eliminate rivals as well under this argument.
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THIS is why when we say Trump is unfit for office, we mean Trump is unfit for office!
The point could not be made more clearly.
Does Trump’s lawyer realize they just said it’s ok for Biden to have their client killed?
Figure it this way. Trump is screwed regardless based on this example. Either presidents are not immune, or Joe Biden is going to call up Seal Team 6 and take him out. Anything that Trump gets away with, Biden does too.
I bet someone at Team Trump is wondering who blabbed about their plan to have Special Forces assassinate Trump’s political rivals if he becomes President again.
Trump’s lawyer eviscerated Trump’s planned defense for his criminal trial by saying impeachment can (and should) be followed by a criminal proceeding for the same crime. Trump’s team previously adopted the opposite position on this question, when they said any criminal proceeding is unconstitutional double jeopardy since he already had an impeachment proceeding launched against him for the insurrection.
So, according to this argument, Biden is free to have Trump assassinated. So long as the Senate does not convict him (controlled by Dems), then Biden could rid the world of the Trump freak show forever? That seems to be what Trump’s lawyers are arguing in court.
Copying what I said elsewhere:
The lawyer made an argument about the framers definitely not wanting factions of government but then relies on the argument that impeachment by the Senate would clear any ambiguities of crimes during presidential duty but ignores the fact we had exactly that…. a “faction” who ruled not to impeach because they were complicit….a faction.
This will eventually go to the SCOTUS, right?
They said the only way a president can be tried criminally is if they are impeached by the House and convicted by the Senate. So if Trump had killed a prostitute with his bare hands and drug her corpse through the Oval Office, and republicans refused to find him guilty, then at no point in his life can he be criminally charged with murder.
Not going end well for Trump if he get’s his immunity.
The question that the judges should have posed to Trump’s counsel is whether POTUS is immune from prosecution for ordering the assassination of Trump’s counsel and of every GOP Senator that would vote to remove POTUS from office.
What stops Seal Team Six from assassinating the average citizen who might have a large following, say, on national TV or social media from criticizing him? If they go after rivals, they’ll go after “you” as well.
So if Trump wins this then Biden could just order his execution and it would be perfectly okay with everybody right?
Don’t give him any ideas
Oh man the audio for this was so frustrating to listen to. The judge kept asking “In your opinion, if a president ordered an assassination, *but wasn’t impeached*, then could he be prosecuted? It sounds like no”
And he’d respond “It’s a qualified yes – because he could if he were impeached first”
And this went back and forth like 5 times
Instead of chanting ‘lock her up’ they could have chanted ‘shoot her in the head’ and it would have been perfectly cool and perfectly legal.
This headline should be read by every voter in the country. Dont tell me that you “dont like to follow politics” when one of the literal candidates for president is asserting that he can assassinate random americans with no consequences.
Can we just unplug the government and plug it back in.
I don’t think it’s working correctly.
This is a Republican wet dream.
He made the stupid argument. The judge cornered him with a hypothetical using his own logic. Checkmate.
I hate it here
He is just trying to stall the court case, I hope they take his lawyers licenses away
I hate the argument that a GOP majority in a senate can not convict impeachment, so therefore he should be immune to criminal prosecution. That’s so scary
Trump’s lawyers appear to have just argued for Biden to send the SEALS to Mar-a-Lago…
The whole argument is **null and void**. His attorney went in with a fog machine, but forgot to put enough water in it!! THE LAW
If a president is suspected of committing a crime while in office, the impeachment process can be used to address their conduct and potentially remove them from office. However, impeachment itself does not involve criminal charges or penalties like imprisonment. **It’s about determining whether the official should remain in their position.**
After a president leaves office, whether, through resignation, impeachment and removal, or the natural end of their term, they can be criminally charged for offenses committed either before or during their presidency. This includes serious crimes like ordering illegal acts, including election interference, ordering killings of political enemies, or other criminal activities. **INCREDIBLE that this was even an argument**
*Dark Brandon loads up in Marine Force One with SEAL Team 6.*
The conservative subreddit isn’t even talking about this. And trump supporters are waiting for tweets and fox news to tell them what to think about this legal argument his lawyers put forward today.
America is wasting too much treasure, time. And air on the orange buffoon
At this point I’m pretty convinced that his lawyers do this stuff to show how dangerous he can be and they are submarining his case on purpose at times.
Biden needs to test this theory….
Raise your hand if you’re sick of hearing about Donald Trump every fucking day 👋
The POTUS who orders the assassination of their political rival wouldn’t just sit back and allow Congress to impeach them if they’d only be criminally liable for subsequent impeachment and removal via Congress.
I can’t believe this is an actual argument being made by anyone save some sovereign citizen loon.
POTUS immunity invalidates the entire U.S. Constitution.
So…
In Trump’s lawyers mind, what happens if a president has their successor assassinated after losing reelection?
Say this assassination happens the day before the next president is sworn in.
Dark Brandon: “is that so….Jack?”
So let’s play this out. Biden whacks Trump and his kids and Bannon and Stone just for shits and giggles.
Then they take out Johnson so there’s no speaker of the house to call for an impeachment.
As soon as another speaker is voted in they get taken out.
And so on and so on. So no impeachment can ever be put into motion.
That’s the argument Trump’s lawyer is making.
Seems like a risky argument for someone who is not the current sitting president. Kinda opens the doors for the current sitting president to eliminate rivals as well under this argument.