Push them out. Make them an example. Send a strong message.
The Union is no place for Putin-allies or dictators.
All Europeans would do very well to remember this, especially when next voting for their far-right neofascist party of choice.
Ah yes, another great example of EU’s democracy
You’re free to vote, unless you vote wrong, then your right to vote will be removed.
Edit: Not sure if the downvotes are from people who don’t get sarcasm or just butthurt after pointing out the hypocrisy.
Copium
Calm your breeches everyone. It has to be voted on.
I support the idea, if a nation is acting in opposition of the union’s interests then it shouldn’t be able to veto everything for the benefit of a foreign hostile nation.
If you don’t like it you are free to leave the union
A shining example of European democracy—–>Deport Hungarians.
removing someones voting rights because you disagree with them is the definition of authoritarianism.
Democracy at his best.
When you abused of the instrument of democracy, people can vote to remove the right to abuse the instrument, until you show you are back to be an responsible adult.
They abused the instrument of veto, the instrument can be removed if you havent enought supporters.
All in a public manner.
Democracy don’t means you can do what you want and others can’t react.
I’m sorry, he did what? How the fuck can you even initiate something like that, isn’t it the right of the state as part of the union? Isn’t that why it’s called a union? Oh wait I get it. It’s a union with classes so first class states can dictate their will upon the second class states. Now it makes sense.
But for real though, the union cannot take away the states right to vote if they don’t like how that state is voting.. wtf..
Next, I suggest we vote on whether Orban’s balls must be surgically removed.
You are doing the correct thing. Breaking the legs of the one who keeps throwing sticks in your spokes with these same sticks is based. Hope this leads to noticeable changes on how to treat open allies of a dangerous foreign power abusing their rights.
There’s a saying in the Netherlands
“Wie betaalt bepaald”.
Loosely translated it means that the person who pays gets to make the decisions.
That has been the issue with democracies for a very long time: ironically, they only work well when everyone inside them already agrees on the correct course and direction.
Once there is significant separation on how to move forward, democracies either get gridlocked, or evolve into a more autocratic direction – “Yes, we are a democracy…apart from those, those and those guys, we kick them out, and those go to jail. But apart from that – a democracy for sure!”
Oh boy the ruzzian bots aint happy about this. And it makes me happy. 😂
It is only democratic that when 26 out of 27 states agree to something, that 1 out of 27 repeatedly does not block any decision and stall the institutions.
About damn time, and I’m hungarian. We don’t belong in the EU, and not in the sense of which agenda Orbán and the entire the far right is pushing, but instead we *do not* *deserve* the EU…
Meh the EU was never a democracy to begin with
It almost feels like pro-Putin brigade has struck this thread. Every comment repeats the same made-up bullshit strawman instead of referencing actual quotes from this article.
Contradictions
So would that make it a FuckUexit?
If orban hates eu so much, why doesn’t he just leave?
EDIT(since apparently it’s not that obvious): /s
Lot of you should go back to highschool or uni to learn about political systems. So you wont make a clown of yourself again and claiming EU is not democratic.
I’ll believe it once it’s voted.
Without Hungary, they should also change the decision making threshold from unanimity to qualified majority.
I hope this passes. Yes, I am Hungarian and I’m fed up that this fat pig brings nothing but shame on us.
Honestly, I think EU should remove the stupid rule of “everyone has to agree, otherwise we all won’t/can’t do it” instead of this. But that’s a tricky one, because then you can force countries into doing what they don’t want to through their responsibilities to EU.
Because, OK, sure, rn it is only 1 country and against “the agent of our enemy”. But let’s say later Poland starts to block the grain and immigration things. Let’s say Germany starts messing around with decarbonization. There could be any other “buts” that different countries get criticised for, but you get the idea. Take away the rights from them for that because they are the only ones against?
At the very least it calls for a court that should determine that the country acts on the interests of outside powers, based on concrete evidence and not just how Russia does it, which is basically “you are against the way we push, must be foreign agent”.
And who gets to determine what interests are EU and what are not? And when are they more important than national ones (not in that specific case, but as a precedent for the future)?
P.S.: I’m not from EU, and to make what I say have even weaker legs – I’m russian, just so you know who gives an opinion, if you disregard it based on that – OK, I can understand pushing away the outside opinion.
What a great idea lmao
Federal Europe lookin bright
Gotta love the angry bots in this thread, lol.
Umm aktually that’s good, Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth has fallen because of rule that stated “Everyone in court has to agree to law or the law won’t be passed” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberum_veto
good, if they want to be a hostile outsiders voice then they better have no voice at all.
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Based.
Push them out. Make them an example. Send a strong message.
The Union is no place for Putin-allies or dictators.
All Europeans would do very well to remember this, especially when next voting for their far-right neofascist party of choice.
Ah yes, another great example of EU’s democracy
You’re free to vote, unless you vote wrong, then your right to vote will be removed.
Edit: Not sure if the downvotes are from people who don’t get sarcasm or just butthurt after pointing out the hypocrisy.
Copium
Calm your breeches everyone. It has to be voted on.
I support the idea, if a nation is acting in opposition of the union’s interests then it shouldn’t be able to veto everything for the benefit of a foreign hostile nation.
If you don’t like it you are free to leave the union
A shining example of European democracy—–>Deport Hungarians.
removing someones voting rights because you disagree with them is the definition of authoritarianism.
Democracy at his best.
When you abused of the instrument of democracy, people can vote to remove the right to abuse the instrument, until you show you are back to be an responsible adult.
They abused the instrument of veto, the instrument can be removed if you havent enought supporters.
All in a public manner.
Democracy don’t means you can do what you want and others can’t react.
I’m sorry, he did what? How the fuck can you even initiate something like that, isn’t it the right of the state as part of the union? Isn’t that why it’s called a union? Oh wait I get it. It’s a union with classes so first class states can dictate their will upon the second class states. Now it makes sense.
But for real though, the union cannot take away the states right to vote if they don’t like how that state is voting.. wtf..
Next, I suggest we vote on whether Orban’s balls must be surgically removed.
You are doing the correct thing. Breaking the legs of the one who keeps throwing sticks in your spokes with these same sticks is based. Hope this leads to noticeable changes on how to treat open allies of a dangerous foreign power abusing their rights.
There’s a saying in the Netherlands
“Wie betaalt bepaald”.
Loosely translated it means that the person who pays gets to make the decisions.
That has been the issue with democracies for a very long time: ironically, they only work well when everyone inside them already agrees on the correct course and direction.
Once there is significant separation on how to move forward, democracies either get gridlocked, or evolve into a more autocratic direction – “Yes, we are a democracy…apart from those, those and those guys, we kick them out, and those go to jail. But apart from that – a democracy for sure!”
Oh boy the ruzzian bots aint happy about this. And it makes me happy. 😂
It is only democratic that when 26 out of 27 states agree to something, that 1 out of 27 repeatedly does not block any decision and stall the institutions.
About damn time, and I’m hungarian. We don’t belong in the EU, and not in the sense of which agenda Orbán and the entire the far right is pushing, but instead we *do not* *deserve* the EU…
Meh the EU was never a democracy to begin with
It almost feels like pro-Putin brigade has struck this thread. Every comment repeats the same made-up bullshit strawman instead of referencing actual quotes from this article.
Contradictions
So would that make it a FuckUexit?
If orban hates eu so much, why doesn’t he just leave?
EDIT(since apparently it’s not that obvious): /s
Lot of you should go back to highschool or uni to learn about political systems. So you wont make a clown of yourself again and claiming EU is not democratic.
I’ll believe it once it’s voted.
Without Hungary, they should also change the decision making threshold from unanimity to qualified majority.
I hope this passes. Yes, I am Hungarian and I’m fed up that this fat pig brings nothing but shame on us.
Honestly, I think EU should remove the stupid rule of “everyone has to agree, otherwise we all won’t/can’t do it” instead of this. But that’s a tricky one, because then you can force countries into doing what they don’t want to through their responsibilities to EU.
Because, OK, sure, rn it is only 1 country and against “the agent of our enemy”. But let’s say later Poland starts to block the grain and immigration things. Let’s say Germany starts messing around with decarbonization. There could be any other “buts” that different countries get criticised for, but you get the idea. Take away the rights from them for that because they are the only ones against?
At the very least it calls for a court that should determine that the country acts on the interests of outside powers, based on concrete evidence and not just how Russia does it, which is basically “you are against the way we push, must be foreign agent”.
And who gets to determine what interests are EU and what are not? And when are they more important than national ones (not in that specific case, but as a precedent for the future)?
P.S.: I’m not from EU, and to make what I say have even weaker legs – I’m russian, just so you know who gives an opinion, if you disregard it based on that – OK, I can understand pushing away the outside opinion.
What a great idea lmao
Federal Europe lookin bright
Gotta love the angry bots in this thread, lol.
Umm aktually that’s good, Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth has fallen because of rule that stated “Everyone in court has to agree to law or the law won’t be passed” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberum_veto
good, if they want to be a hostile outsiders voice then they better have no voice at all.