I wish we weren’t so shit at simple public transport between major cities (nevermind towns).
Avanti West Coast Pendolinos travel at 125mph but HS2 trains will be forced to slow down to 115mph where the line curves.
How can it be called HS2 if it’s slower than the existing trains?
Why the fuck are we insisting on still transporting so many people around the country?
Trains in this country are awful. It’s cheaper to fly abroad and then to your destination if you’re travelling long distances. HS2 is already a failure and when open, will not help the overall problem with trains in the UK. At this point without huge investment, trains are almost always going to be one of the worst and most expensive ways to travel in the Uk
Anyone with a brain knows that building a new Intercity rail line was about increasing capacity. More trains, more passengers but on a separate line to older railway lines.
Which frees up space for more short express trains and freight on the old lines.
It was a good thing and it should have happened. But then the Tories happened…. And they kicked the HS2 can down the road for 13 years.
Daily Mail wins again… “BUT BUT but losing green and English villages for 20 mins gained!” and complaining about cost (when they give zero shits about PPE contracts and COVID app that cost Billions)
Blame the Tory MPs who helped jack up the cost by making sure the leg from London to Birmingham was mostly tunnels
So , we’ve had years of people saying “Scrap it, it’s not worth billions of pounds to save 10 minutes getting to Birmingham” . The government scraps it – and now suddenly HS2 is essential and we should have kept it ?
I don’t know how the people running this still have jobs. If I performed this poorly in my job I’d be out within a month. It’s crazy.
Glad they milked the country for even more money tho.
And the houses they bought are being rented out… but don’t worry “the government is keen to sell its housing portfolio”
62p on the £ to all your friends, just like royal mail.
We all understood they were self serving… but surely there HAS to be a limit. But then, starve hungry school kids and put human shit in the rivers barely caused a ripple.
Maybe someone will give a fuck when a docudrama is made about it.
My train from Manchester to London took 3.5 hours this morning. If it gets any slower I’ll walk.
This has all come about because some lunatics in the Tory party think that infrastructure should be profitable. These people should never be allowed to run so much as a bath, let alone a country.
Past 5 years London -> Manchester and vice versa has gone from 1 hr 45 to usually over 2hrs with a LOT more cancellations, delays etc whilst being more expensive
Very frustrating
Another issue is why would you invest in a big infrastructure project if it can be canceled at a whim, even when half complete and approved under law?
Let’s take this opportunity to give another round of applause to the Green Party of England & Wales.
The stupidest Green Party in the world, and the only one that wants high-speed trains as part of its transport policy but doesn’t want to put any tracks down for it.
Can they even get any slower or more crowded?? Every time I have to use those routes they are packed in so densely you couldn’t get anyone else on the fucking train.
Fuck the Tories and everyone that votes for them. From the bottom of my heart.
I have friends who live in a town in the midlands, near the proposed HS2 Phase 2 route. They were very opposed to the project, saying it would be a blight on their community, with a big organised campaign group and everything. Recently, the train operator has has announced they will be cancelling the direct train from this town to Birmingham and the locals are understandably upset, with lots of social media posts etc. The irony that HS2 was designed specifically to increase capacity for these kinds of local services seems to be lost on them.
By “could” they presumably mean “absolutely 100% will”
The West Coast Main Line is at capacity and has been for a while. There’s a limit to how many trains you can squeeze onto the line and how many carriages you can add to the existing infrastructure
Wasting all this money when they could have just made it easier and faster for people to take planes. I should be able to take a plane from Manchester to London at low cost without nonsense checks etc.
From the article, the HS2 trains can’t lean on the bends like the Pendolino trains, so they have to run slower on the old track. Meaning lower capacity overall. £67Bn for Birmingham to not-Euston too. What a fucking joke.
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One more reason I’ll be driving, I guess.
I wish we weren’t so shit at simple public transport between major cities (nevermind towns).
Avanti West Coast Pendolinos travel at 125mph but HS2 trains will be forced to slow down to 115mph where the line curves.
How can it be called HS2 if it’s slower than the existing trains?
Why the fuck are we insisting on still transporting so many people around the country?
Trains in this country are awful. It’s cheaper to fly abroad and then to your destination if you’re travelling long distances. HS2 is already a failure and when open, will not help the overall problem with trains in the UK. At this point without huge investment, trains are almost always going to be one of the worst and most expensive ways to travel in the Uk
Anyone with a brain knows that building a new Intercity rail line was about increasing capacity. More trains, more passengers but on a separate line to older railway lines.
Which frees up space for more short express trains and freight on the old lines.
It was a good thing and it should have happened. But then the Tories happened…. And they kicked the HS2 can down the road for 13 years.
Daily Mail wins again… “BUT BUT but losing green and English villages for 20 mins gained!” and complaining about cost (when they give zero shits about PPE contracts and COVID app that cost Billions)
Blame the Tory MPs who helped jack up the cost by making sure the leg from London to Birmingham was mostly tunnels
So , we’ve had years of people saying “Scrap it, it’s not worth billions of pounds to save 10 minutes getting to Birmingham” . The government scraps it – and now suddenly HS2 is essential and we should have kept it ?
I don’t know how the people running this still have jobs. If I performed this poorly in my job I’d be out within a month. It’s crazy.
Glad they milked the country for even more money tho.
And the houses they bought are being rented out… but don’t worry “the government is keen to sell its housing portfolio”
62p on the £ to all your friends, just like royal mail.
We all understood they were self serving… but surely there HAS to be a limit. But then, starve hungry school kids and put human shit in the rivers barely caused a ripple.
Maybe someone will give a fuck when a docudrama is made about it.
My train from Manchester to London took 3.5 hours this morning. If it gets any slower I’ll walk.
This has all come about because some lunatics in the Tory party think that infrastructure should be profitable. These people should never be allowed to run so much as a bath, let alone a country.
Past 5 years London -> Manchester and vice versa has gone from 1 hr 45 to usually over 2hrs with a LOT more cancellations, delays etc whilst being more expensive
Very frustrating
Another issue is why would you invest in a big infrastructure project if it can be canceled at a whim, even when half complete and approved under law?
Let’s take this opportunity to give another round of applause to the Green Party of England & Wales.
The stupidest Green Party in the world, and the only one that wants high-speed trains as part of its transport policy but doesn’t want to put any tracks down for it.
Can they even get any slower or more crowded?? Every time I have to use those routes they are packed in so densely you couldn’t get anyone else on the fucking train.
Fuck the Tories and everyone that votes for them. From the bottom of my heart.
I have friends who live in a town in the midlands, near the proposed HS2 Phase 2 route. They were very opposed to the project, saying it would be a blight on their community, with a big organised campaign group and everything. Recently, the train operator has has announced they will be cancelling the direct train from this town to Birmingham and the locals are understandably upset, with lots of social media posts etc. The irony that HS2 was designed specifically to increase capacity for these kinds of local services seems to be lost on them.
By “could” they presumably mean “absolutely 100% will”
The West Coast Main Line is at capacity and has been for a while. There’s a limit to how many trains you can squeeze onto the line and how many carriages you can add to the existing infrastructure
Wasting all this money when they could have just made it easier and faster for people to take planes. I should be able to take a plane from Manchester to London at low cost without nonsense checks etc.
From the article, the HS2 trains can’t lean on the bends like the Pendolino trains, so they have to run slower on the old track. Meaning lower capacity overall. £67Bn for Birmingham to not-Euston too. What a fucking joke.