>Donald Trump won’t make his own closing argument in his New York civil business fraud trial after his lawyers objected to the judge’s insistence that the former president would stick to “relevant” matters.
>
>Judge Arthur Engoron rescinded permission on Wednesday, a day ahead of closing arguments in the trial.
Trump: I want to make my closing remarks.
Judge: only if you keep it relevant.
Trump: no.
Judge: no.
I have to say, I’m rather disappointed in this. I’m sure trump would have managed to make the financial penalties much bigglier
Judge is doing Trump a favor and Trump doesn’t even realize
Have a feeling Trumps gonna speak anyway.
Good
That is a super weird thing to do anyway
I was looking forward to hearing this more than I was in watching the next season of The Mandalorian
Bummer. I wanted to see him dig his own grave
I’m sure it hard for him after all these years to hear “NO” over and over. It’s delicious.
>But [Engeron] said Trump would have to limit his remarks to the boundaries that cover attorneys’ closing arguments: “commentary on the relevant, material facts that are in evidence, and application of the relevant law to those facts.”
>
>He would not be allowed to introduce new evidence, “comment on irrelevant matters” or “deliver a campaign speech” — or impugn the judge, his staff, the attorney general, her lawyers or the court system, the judge wrote.
>
>Trump attorney Christopher Kise responded that those limitations were unfair and said Trump could not agree to them.
This is what he wanted. Now he can complain that they are out to get him and his followers will eat it up.
Inc “THEYRE NOT LETTING ME SPEEEAAAKK give me money please”
>Donald Trump won’t make his own closing argument in his New York civil business fraud trial after his lawyers objected to the judge’s insistence that the former president would stick to “relevant” matters. Judge Arthur Engoron rescinded permission on Wednesday, a day ahead of closing arguments in the trial.
Why should Judge Engoron allow the stochastic terrorist Trump – who has repeatedly endangered Engoron’s life, his family and his staff, with incendiary lies – to give closing statements when his lawyers object to the bare minimum of keeping their idiot client on topic?!
Effing Republicans always vying for special privilege while simultaneously griping about there being 2 tiers of a justice system. There is – as Trump should have been in an orange jumpsuit behind bars years ago.
This is honestly setting up to be pretty interesting, I’m curious if Trump is able to attend these proceedings and actually keep his mouth shut. Wouldn’t it be wild if he totally went off the rails in court, and just for a laugh the judge remanded him into custody? I mean at this point why not, calling in the bailiff and at least getting the guy taken back into a cell would be within his rights as a jurist, especially if Trump was clearly in contempt. It’s what would happen to any of the rest of us, it’d be great if the guy had to cool it overnight in jail just to realize he was an actual citizen.
“Ain’t no body got time for that.” ~Judge.
No more word salad shooter? Oh well.
I was looking forward to him further incriminating himself.
Now look Here. We all know that Donald Trump talking in that forum would be the monumental waste of time in our lives, that none of us would ever get back. At least watching grass grow would be more interesting and actually have some benefit to the planet….
I wouldn’t blame the judge one bit, If he brought a pillow, he propped it up behind his head, and took a nap, while donald trump gave his closing campaign speech….er, I mean “argument”…
It was just going to be one of his rally speeches anyway.
What does this judge have against comedy gold?
ah ha. well spotted, engoron. and well played. Trump true agenda now totally clear.
>It’s extremely unusual for people who have lawyers to give their own closing arguments. In an email exchange that happened over recent days and was filed in court Wednesday, Engoron initially approved the unusual request, saying he was “including to let everyone have his or her say.”
>But he said Trump would have to limit his remarks to the boundaries that cover attorneys’ closing arguments: “commentary on the relevant, material facts that are in evidence, and application of the relevant law to those facts.”
>He would not be allowed to introduce new evidence, “comment on irrelevant matters” or “deliver a campaign speech” — or impugn the judge, his staff, the attorney general, her lawyers or the court system, the judge wrote.
and magically, trump suddenly not into it.
HAHAHAHA I LOVE THIS!
Trump is learning that he does not get to dictate how a trial is going to go. He literally wanted to do his normal “I’m a victim” speech and the judge wasn’t having it.
ALL of the judges in ALL of his cases need to treat him this same exact way.
He is not special. He is no different than any other American that has a court hearing either civil or criminal. He should be treated the same as everyone else is. He needs to recognize that he is not the person “in charge” of the courtroom. The judge is.
This judge has been absolutely excellent throughout this case. I hope he follows through to the end and ends up giving NY a larger settlement than they asked for and also shuts down the Trump businesses throughout that state.
I’ve read some of the transcripts of this trial. Trump is so unbelievably far out of his depth you could almost pity him. He is going to lose as much as is possible to lose when the ruling comes down.
Oh, poor me this could only happen to me because….. (You already know what goes in this space here).
Smart judge, saved the world from a rambling fool.
Good. Hard enough not to turn everyone trump event into circus
Everyone saw this coming. Closing arguments are for summing up your case and your evidence, not for making irrelevant speeches. Trump’s disrespect and disregard for the law is still stunning.
I assume he’s just going to keep throwing shit at the wall to amaze his followers as he gets convicted in case after case. We’re beginning to look stupider than Idiocracy.
>But he said Trump would have to limit his remarks to the boundaries that cover attorneys’ closing arguments: “commentary on the relevant, material facts that are in evidence, and application of the relevant law to those facts.”
He would not be allowed to introduce new evidence, “comment on irrelevant matters” or “deliver a campaign speech” — or impugn the judge, his staff, the attorney general, her lawyers or the court system, the judge wrote.
Trump attorney Christopher Kise responded that those limitations were “fraught with ambiguities, creating the substantial likelihood for misinterpretation or an unintended violation. Engoron said that they were ”reasonable, normal limits,” but Kise termed them “very unfair.”
“You are not allowing President Trump, who has been wrongfully demeaned and belittled by an out of control, politically motivated attorney general, to speak about the things that must be spoken about,” the attorney wrote.
Him and his lawyers are basically asking that he be allowed to hold a gripe session in court. The point of closing statement is to convince the judge/jury about a defendant’s innocence. Not “to speak about the things that must be spoken about”. What a ridiculous request.
This is a link to the email exchanges between the judge and the lawyers. It is WELL worth the read.
I think Engoron is so eagerly awaiting judgement he can hardly contain himself. Let’s get this shit over with so Trump can file his expected appeals and drag it out as long as possible.
Trump “You know I was ready to give a great deposition… some would say it was the greatest deposition in the history of depositions since a deposition had been deposited”
Better headline: Tr*** cannot give closing arguments in fraud triall. “He is unable to follow simple rules.” Court finds.
Big mistake. Let that man have a shovel
The email chain between the judge and Trumps lawyer is almost painful to read :
This headline without context is difficult to swallow. Yes, the judge rescinded the offer, but only after trump’s lawyers 1) “didn’t see the judge’s email (or ignored it… both scenarios are irresponsible) 2) cartoonishly responded in bad grammar and all lowercase to the judge’s requirements for drumpf to give a closing statement, and 3) notified the judge that trump would NOT COMPLY with the guidance set forth by the judge for this unusual request for the defendant to give his own closing statement.
To be clear… judge Engeron permitted trump to give a closing statement even though that is quite unusual. When someone has representation (lawyers) that means they give up their right to self-representation. You aren’t guaranteed the right to both.
Additionally, drumpf’s lawyers made the stupid claim that the court is not giving the defendant a chance to speak, when IN HIS OWN WORDS ON HIS OWN SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORM, drumpf refused to speak in court.
> [“I have already testified to everything & have nothing more to say other than this is a complete & total election interference (Biden campaign!) witch hunt,”](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna128749) -DJT, December 2023
Finally he will be prevented from openly spewing lies
good nobody wants to hear the terrorist shit from his mouth
Trump fails to agree to conditions for him to make closing arguments in fraud trial, therefore won’t be allowed to make closing arguments
Nobody needs a 2 hour clan rally of bloviating lies
The word ‘rescinds’ is really pushing what the judge offered. He offered a conditional agreement to do so based on certain conditions and Trump refused to agree to the conditions. So an _offer_ was rescinded rather than permission.
Rescind his permission to speak ever
Breaking News: Man on trial for breaking rules says it is unfair to make him abide by rules.
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>Donald Trump won’t make his own closing argument in his New York civil business fraud trial after his lawyers objected to the judge’s insistence that the former president would stick to “relevant” matters.
>
>Judge Arthur Engoron rescinded permission on Wednesday, a day ahead of closing arguments in the trial.
Trump: I want to make my closing remarks.
Judge: only if you keep it relevant.
Trump: no.
Judge: no.
I have to say, I’m rather disappointed in this. I’m sure trump would have managed to make the financial penalties much bigglier
Judge is doing Trump a favor and Trump doesn’t even realize
Have a feeling Trumps gonna speak anyway.
Good
That is a super weird thing to do anyway
I was looking forward to hearing this more than I was in watching the next season of The Mandalorian
Bummer. I wanted to see him dig his own grave
I’m sure it hard for him after all these years to hear “NO” over and over. It’s delicious.
>But [Engeron] said Trump would have to limit his remarks to the boundaries that cover attorneys’ closing arguments: “commentary on the relevant, material facts that are in evidence, and application of the relevant law to those facts.”
>
>He would not be allowed to introduce new evidence, “comment on irrelevant matters” or “deliver a campaign speech” — or impugn the judge, his staff, the attorney general, her lawyers or the court system, the judge wrote.
>
>Trump attorney Christopher Kise responded that those limitations were unfair and said Trump could not agree to them.
This is what he wanted. Now he can complain that they are out to get him and his followers will eat it up.
Inc “THEYRE NOT LETTING ME SPEEEAAAKK give me money please”
>Donald Trump won’t make his own closing argument in his New York civil business fraud trial after his lawyers objected to the judge’s insistence that the former president would stick to “relevant” matters. Judge Arthur Engoron rescinded permission on Wednesday, a day ahead of closing arguments in the trial.
Why should Judge Engoron allow the stochastic terrorist Trump – who has repeatedly endangered Engoron’s life, his family and his staff, with incendiary lies – to give closing statements when his lawyers object to the bare minimum of keeping their idiot client on topic?!
Effing Republicans always vying for special privilege while simultaneously griping about there being 2 tiers of a justice system. There is – as Trump should have been in an orange jumpsuit behind bars years ago.
This is honestly setting up to be pretty interesting, I’m curious if Trump is able to attend these proceedings and actually keep his mouth shut. Wouldn’t it be wild if he totally went off the rails in court, and just for a laugh the judge remanded him into custody? I mean at this point why not, calling in the bailiff and at least getting the guy taken back into a cell would be within his rights as a jurist, especially if Trump was clearly in contempt. It’s what would happen to any of the rest of us, it’d be great if the guy had to cool it overnight in jail just to realize he was an actual citizen.
“Ain’t no body got time for that.” ~Judge.
No more word salad shooter? Oh well.
I was looking forward to him further incriminating himself.
Now look Here. We all know that Donald Trump talking in that forum would be the monumental waste of time in our lives, that none of us would ever get back. At least watching grass grow would be more interesting and actually have some benefit to the planet….
I wouldn’t blame the judge one bit, If he brought a pillow, he propped it up behind his head, and took a nap, while donald trump gave his closing campaign speech….er, I mean “argument”…
It was just going to be one of his rally speeches anyway.
What does this judge have against comedy gold?
ah ha. well spotted, engoron. and well played. Trump true agenda now totally clear.
>It’s extremely unusual for people who have lawyers to give their own closing arguments. In an email exchange that happened over recent days and was filed in court Wednesday, Engoron initially approved the unusual request, saying he was “including to let everyone have his or her say.”
>But he said Trump would have to limit his remarks to the boundaries that cover attorneys’ closing arguments: “commentary on the relevant, material facts that are in evidence, and application of the relevant law to those facts.”
>He would not be allowed to introduce new evidence, “comment on irrelevant matters” or “deliver a campaign speech” — or impugn the judge, his staff, the attorney general, her lawyers or the court system, the judge wrote.
and magically, trump suddenly not into it.
HAHAHAHA I LOVE THIS!
Trump is learning that he does not get to dictate how a trial is going to go. He literally wanted to do his normal “I’m a victim” speech and the judge wasn’t having it.
ALL of the judges in ALL of his cases need to treat him this same exact way.
He is not special. He is no different than any other American that has a court hearing either civil or criminal. He should be treated the same as everyone else is. He needs to recognize that he is not the person “in charge” of the courtroom. The judge is.
This judge has been absolutely excellent throughout this case. I hope he follows through to the end and ends up giving NY a larger settlement than they asked for and also shuts down the Trump businesses throughout that state.
I’ve read some of the transcripts of this trial. Trump is so unbelievably far out of his depth you could almost pity him. He is going to lose as much as is possible to lose when the ruling comes down.
Oh, poor me this could only happen to me because….. (You already know what goes in this space here).
Smart judge, saved the world from a rambling fool.
Good. Hard enough not to turn everyone trump event into circus
Everyone saw this coming. Closing arguments are for summing up your case and your evidence, not for making irrelevant speeches. Trump’s disrespect and disregard for the law is still stunning.
I assume he’s just going to keep throwing shit at the wall to amaze his followers as he gets convicted in case after case. We’re beginning to look stupider than Idiocracy.
>But he said Trump would have to limit his remarks to the boundaries that cover attorneys’ closing arguments: “commentary on the relevant, material facts that are in evidence, and application of the relevant law to those facts.”
He would not be allowed to introduce new evidence, “comment on irrelevant matters” or “deliver a campaign speech” — or impugn the judge, his staff, the attorney general, her lawyers or the court system, the judge wrote.
Trump attorney Christopher Kise responded that those limitations were “fraught with ambiguities, creating the substantial likelihood for misinterpretation or an unintended violation. Engoron said that they were ”reasonable, normal limits,” but Kise termed them “very unfair.”
“You are not allowing President Trump, who has been wrongfully demeaned and belittled by an out of control, politically motivated attorney general, to speak about the things that must be spoken about,” the attorney wrote.
Him and his lawyers are basically asking that he be allowed to hold a gripe session in court. The point of closing statement is to convince the judge/jury about a defendant’s innocence. Not “to speak about the things that must be spoken about”. What a ridiculous request.
This is a link to the email exchanges between the judge and the lawyers. It is WELL worth the read.
https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/fbem/DocumentDisplayServlet?documentId=_PLUS_cASZsP0hNiBQOHYbw_PLUS_TPQ==&system=prod
He can speak at the appeal.
I think Engoron is so eagerly awaiting judgement he can hardly contain himself. Let’s get this shit over with so Trump can file his expected appeals and drag it out as long as possible.
Trump “You know I was ready to give a great deposition… some would say it was the greatest deposition in the history of depositions since a deposition had been deposited”
Better headline: Tr*** cannot give closing arguments in fraud triall. “He is unable to follow simple rules.” Court finds.
Big mistake. Let that man have a shovel
The email chain between the judge and Trumps lawyer is almost painful to read :
https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/fbem/DocumentDisplayServlet?documentId=_PLUS_cASZsP0hNiBQOHYbw_PLUS_TPQ==&system=prod“
This headline without context is difficult to swallow. Yes, the judge rescinded the offer, but only after trump’s lawyers 1) “didn’t see the judge’s email (or ignored it… both scenarios are irresponsible) 2) cartoonishly responded in bad grammar and all lowercase to the judge’s requirements for drumpf to give a closing statement, and 3) notified the judge that trump would NOT COMPLY with the guidance set forth by the judge for this unusual request for the defendant to give his own closing statement.
To be clear… judge Engeron permitted trump to give a closing statement even though that is quite unusual. When someone has representation (lawyers) that means they give up their right to self-representation. You aren’t guaranteed the right to both.
Additionally, drumpf’s lawyers made the stupid claim that the court is not giving the defendant a chance to speak, when IN HIS OWN WORDS ON HIS OWN SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORM, drumpf refused to speak in court.
> [“I have already testified to everything & have nothing more to say other than this is a complete & total election interference (Biden campaign!) witch hunt,”](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna128749) -DJT, December 2023
Finally he will be prevented from openly spewing lies
good nobody wants to hear the terrorist shit from his mouth
Trump fails to agree to conditions for him to make closing arguments in fraud trial, therefore won’t be allowed to make closing arguments
Nobody needs a 2 hour clan rally of bloviating lies
The word ‘rescinds’ is really pushing what the judge offered. He offered a conditional agreement to do so based on certain conditions and Trump refused to agree to the conditions. So an _offer_ was rescinded rather than permission.
Rescind his permission to speak ever
Breaking News: Man on trial for breaking rules says it is unfair to make him abide by rules.