Wasn’t ed Davey the only minister to even give a shit and even talk with post masters? He was mislead by the post office, regrettably, but I don’t think he’s to be blamed?
So lets look at the facts.
Ed Davey was the first to actually meet with Postmasters about this issue, albeit a few months after he initially was asked to meet.
He was minister for postal affairs at the height of the cover up by Fujitsu and the Post Office. At this time not even the defence lawyers representing the postmasters could get close to cracking the cover-up, despite the lawyers having more power than minsters would to compel the post office to hand over information.
Alan Bates has said that Davey would not have been able to do any more to get justice for these postmasters any quicker, and that holding Davey purely responsible is “a little much”.
Lord Arbuthnot, Leading Horizon campaigner and former Conservative MP, has also said that focusing on Ed Davey is “bit of a red herring … I wouldn’t concentrate on one Party, as of course no Party comes out well.”.
Then when more things came to light in the later 2010 years, he and other Liberal Democrat MPs joined campaigners in calling for a full, independent, statutory inquiry into the scandal – even as Conservative Ministers refused. Eventually, in May 2021, those calls were successful and the current inquiry was established.
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Considering all of this, what exactly does he need to be “held account for”? He wasn’t in a position at the time to actually fix the issue, and he’s not even been in that position for 12 years. He’s admitted that he was lied to and that he regrets not doing more, but even lead campaigners for the sub-postmasters say he couldn’t have done more.
It seems clear to me that Davey is simply a useful scapegoat to try and put all of the blame onto.
Anyone involved in this shitshow should be. Not just Ed Davey.
Oh boy, just wait until the Telegraph find out which party have been in power for the past 14 years.
If you think they’re angry at Ed Davey for the part he played during the coalition, they’re going to be absolutely apoplectic with rage at the party who were the more senior coalition partners during that coalition period and who then carried on running the country for another nine years!
(Unless they’re a bunch of weaselly hypocrites, that is. But that seems to be being unfair on them)
Of course the Torygraph is trying to blame the LDs for this.
Labour have had nothing but easy wins fall into their hands this past 5 years
PartyGate and Truss, Sturgeon resigning over embezzlement, and now this free hit Vs the Lib Dem leader in the months before an election…
Ed Davey was told lies and believed them. String him up.
Is there a punishment worse than being the leader of the Lib Dems though?
Given Davey’s low bar for being sacked, he should really leave
It’s genuinely incredible that with two decades in government between them from then to now, a fucking Lib Dem is going to end up carrying the can for this.
The Telegraph and Mail seem determined to make Davey into the scapegoat for this.
Must be worried about all the Tory/Lib Dem marginal seats that are under threat.
Ah, but he, with tea-boy Clegg, were in cahoots with Cameron and Osborne in that coalition of dimwits.
Who was head of the DPP at the time they were going after postmasters?
It’s interesting that the Tory Government is so concerned about the Post Office/Horizon scandal and yet says nothing about PIP assessments and benefits sanctions which operate on the exact same principles as the flawed Post Office/Horizon principles.
If we’re going to make Ed Davey a political scapegoat, then how about Sir Iain Duncan Smith?
At what point is extra-judicial process is fair and at what point is extra-judicial process unfair?
Or are we all going to pretend that the Post Office/Horizon is injustice and the Department of Work and Pensions justice just on the Government’s say so?
I’m sure I’m not the only one seeing the contradictions and hypocrisy here.
Shock….torygraph going after lib dem leader on this as an easy (wrong) target.
Wonder what they would say At the idea that every manager, every person who lied to the courts, who lied to ministers was sent to jail?
The Telegraph demonstrating that what really matters isn’t the Post Office victims but desperately trying to shore up the vote in Conservative seats by finding any attack they can against Dave’s or Starmer in the hopes of preventing an embarrassing wipeout.
Got an election coming up this year. I’d be careful believing these stories.
Is Ed Davey in the government?
Oh, it’s The Telegraph
The Daily Telegraph is just yet more Tory propaganda now. Owned by a tax dodging old racist who lives in a castle on a tax haven, it was taking money from Russia to publish a pro-Russia supplement until fairly recently. It’s getting like the Sun, Daily Mail and their ilk and shouldn’t be taken seriously with right wing propaganda interspersed with real news. Our media is in a right state when the best holding to account of the dodgy establishment is by a satirical magazine.
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Wasn’t ed Davey the only minister to even give a shit and even talk with post masters? He was mislead by the post office, regrettably, but I don’t think he’s to be blamed?
So lets look at the facts.
Ed Davey was the first to actually meet with Postmasters about this issue, albeit a few months after he initially was asked to meet.
He was minister for postal affairs at the height of the cover up by Fujitsu and the Post Office. At this time not even the defence lawyers representing the postmasters could get close to cracking the cover-up, despite the lawyers having more power than minsters would to compel the post office to hand over information.
Alan Bates has said that Davey would not have been able to do any more to get justice for these postmasters any quicker, and that holding Davey purely responsible is “a little much”.
Lord Arbuthnot, Leading Horizon campaigner and former Conservative MP, has also said that focusing on Ed Davey is “bit of a red herring … I wouldn’t concentrate on one Party, as of course no Party comes out well.”.
Then when more things came to light in the later 2010 years, he and other Liberal Democrat MPs joined campaigners in calling for a full, independent, statutory inquiry into the scandal – even as Conservative Ministers refused. Eventually, in May 2021, those calls were successful and the current inquiry was established.
​
Considering all of this, what exactly does he need to be “held account for”? He wasn’t in a position at the time to actually fix the issue, and he’s not even been in that position for 12 years. He’s admitted that he was lied to and that he regrets not doing more, but even lead campaigners for the sub-postmasters say he couldn’t have done more.
It seems clear to me that Davey is simply a useful scapegoat to try and put all of the blame onto.
Anyone involved in this shitshow should be. Not just Ed Davey.
Oh boy, just wait until the Telegraph find out which party have been in power for the past 14 years.
If you think they’re angry at Ed Davey for the part he played during the coalition, they’re going to be absolutely apoplectic with rage at the party who were the more senior coalition partners during that coalition period and who then carried on running the country for another nine years!
(Unless they’re a bunch of weaselly hypocrites, that is. But that seems to be being unfair on them)
Of course the Torygraph is trying to blame the LDs for this.
Labour have had nothing but easy wins fall into their hands this past 5 years
PartyGate and Truss, Sturgeon resigning over embezzlement, and now this free hit Vs the Lib Dem leader in the months before an election…
Ed Davey was told lies and believed them. String him up.
Is there a punishment worse than being the leader of the Lib Dems though?
Given Davey’s low bar for being sacked, he should really leave
It’s genuinely incredible that with two decades in government between them from then to now, a fucking Lib Dem is going to end up carrying the can for this.
The Telegraph and Mail seem determined to make Davey into the scapegoat for this.
Must be worried about all the Tory/Lib Dem marginal seats that are under threat.
Ah, but he, with tea-boy Clegg, were in cahoots with Cameron and Osborne in that coalition of dimwits.
Who was head of the DPP at the time they were going after postmasters?
It’s interesting that the Tory Government is so concerned about the Post Office/Horizon scandal and yet says nothing about PIP assessments and benefits sanctions which operate on the exact same principles as the flawed Post Office/Horizon principles.
If we’re going to make Ed Davey a political scapegoat, then how about Sir Iain Duncan Smith?
At what point is extra-judicial process is fair and at what point is extra-judicial process unfair?
Or are we all going to pretend that the Post Office/Horizon is injustice and the Department of Work and Pensions justice just on the Government’s say so?
I’m sure I’m not the only one seeing the contradictions and hypocrisy here.
Shock….torygraph going after lib dem leader on this as an easy (wrong) target.
Wonder what they would say At the idea that every manager, every person who lied to the courts, who lied to ministers was sent to jail?
The Telegraph demonstrating that what really matters isn’t the Post Office victims but desperately trying to shore up the vote in Conservative seats by finding any attack they can against Dave’s or Starmer in the hopes of preventing an embarrassing wipeout.
Got an election coming up this year. I’d be careful believing these stories.
Is Ed Davey in the government?
Oh, it’s The Telegraph
The Daily Telegraph is just yet more Tory propaganda now. Owned by a tax dodging old racist who lives in a castle on a tax haven, it was taking money from Russia to publish a pro-Russia supplement until fairly recently. It’s getting like the Sun, Daily Mail and their ilk and shouldn’t be taken seriously with right wing propaganda interspersed with real news. Our media is in a right state when the best holding to account of the dodgy establishment is by a satirical magazine.
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/mandrake-daily-telegraph-russia-beyond/
Wicked. Really? I didn’t think Lib Dems were capable of that. It would require too much personality.