No thanks, they’re not interested in dying which is why they left. But I guess he needs the cattle back so he can send them to the meat grinder.
The war on the ground and air is NOT being won by the Russian military, it is being won by attrition mathematics!
Makes sense. If Ukraine needs them, let them have them. If they are citizens of Ukraine it means they are still bound by the Ukrainian constitution.
A very difficult question for many. I know those who experience so much guilt for leaving, but the thought of returning is terrifying.
There is real PTSD for everybody- or considering the war is ongoing- I don’t think we can even call it “post-traumatic”
War is going great when you’re already through so many mobilizations that you’re in Estonia begging people to return so they can be thrown onto the front after some minimum training
I understand they are needed in Ukraine but I am unable to judge Ukrainians outside of Ukraine for not going back to Ukraine. I wouldn’t want to die either is that was me.
It’s clear that the dispersal of particularly mobilization age men is a problem for Ukraine, but I think it’s absolutely imperative that this is one that is **not** solved through coercion, arrest or extradition. There is absolutely no moral justification at all for forcing a person to fight if he does not sufficiently identify with your nation to be willing to defend it voluntarily. If the number of men so willing is so low that the security of the state is in doubt, then frankly I think that that raises serious questions about the viability of that state in the first place.
Zelensky’s at pains here to stress that not everyone mobilised will be on the front lines, and that workers are needed to maintain Ukraine’s economy. He also doesn’t appear to be suggesting here that refugees should be extradited, so I don’t think there’s anything particularly **wrong** with the messaging, but it is perhaps a little clumsy. If you need people to return I think that the Ukrainian government needs to be incentivising it and spreading as widely as possible the message that the home front is an extremely significant part of the war, and needs people as much as the front does.
Is this a fucking joke Zelensky? We are nearly 2 years into the war. You’ve asked foreigners to join up taken thousands of them and hundreds have been killed. You haven’t so much as looked at the Foreign Legion once nevermind utilised it to the best of its ability despite the fact these foreign men are laying their lives on the line for your country.
And just now you decided to ask native men living abroad to come home? Use your fucking head. Why didn’t you do that at the beginning? Doing it now makes you look weak and desperate and it also makes no sense-if they were going to come home they would have long since done so.
Cowards flee when a foreign army invades, rape, murder and pillage. I see men and women from countries outside of Ukraine entering the trenches to fight.
Men fleeing Ukraine should not find safe haven.
You cant win a war with people that you force to fight in it
Not sure it can even be done under European law. What does he expect? If they don’t come back voluntarily that European nations start mass deportations?
Tell that yoke of reporter Denys to return from Switzerland
Not trying to be cute or funny or anything like that but: My dad’s side of the family technically fled Ukraine (German Mennonites) about 140 years ago…
I hope I’m the first in my family to return and live in Ukraine soon.
He can go f himself. We want presidential elections and not this clown in charge. Someone like ZALUHNY
Wait I thought we don’t like draft dodgers?!? 😂 Eat shit.
All these comments about “they need more then just men on the front logistics and so on” I think people are forgetting the vast majority of conscripted people have no choice where they are sent you might be lucky and end up as a truck driver or you get sent to the front dodging drones.
I hope they frag their commanders
they can fly fpv drone from anywhere, like in guardian of the galaxy, the golden people
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No thanks, they’re not interested in dying which is why they left. But I guess he needs the cattle back so he can send them to the meat grinder.
The war on the ground and air is NOT being won by the Russian military, it is being won by attrition mathematics!
Makes sense. If Ukraine needs them, let them have them. If they are citizens of Ukraine it means they are still bound by the Ukrainian constitution.
A very difficult question for many. I know those who experience so much guilt for leaving, but the thought of returning is terrifying.
There is real PTSD for everybody- or considering the war is ongoing- I don’t think we can even call it “post-traumatic”
War is going great when you’re already through so many mobilizations that you’re in Estonia begging people to return so they can be thrown onto the front after some minimum training
I understand they are needed in Ukraine but I am unable to judge Ukrainians outside of Ukraine for not going back to Ukraine. I wouldn’t want to die either is that was me.
It’s clear that the dispersal of particularly mobilization age men is a problem for Ukraine, but I think it’s absolutely imperative that this is one that is **not** solved through coercion, arrest or extradition. There is absolutely no moral justification at all for forcing a person to fight if he does not sufficiently identify with your nation to be willing to defend it voluntarily. If the number of men so willing is so low that the security of the state is in doubt, then frankly I think that that raises serious questions about the viability of that state in the first place.
Zelensky’s at pains here to stress that not everyone mobilised will be on the front lines, and that workers are needed to maintain Ukraine’s economy. He also doesn’t appear to be suggesting here that refugees should be extradited, so I don’t think there’s anything particularly **wrong** with the messaging, but it is perhaps a little clumsy. If you need people to return I think that the Ukrainian government needs to be incentivising it and spreading as widely as possible the message that the home front is an extremely significant part of the war, and needs people as much as the front does.
Is this a fucking joke Zelensky? We are nearly 2 years into the war. You’ve asked foreigners to join up taken thousands of them and hundreds have been killed. You haven’t so much as looked at the Foreign Legion once nevermind utilised it to the best of its ability despite the fact these foreign men are laying their lives on the line for your country.
And just now you decided to ask native men living abroad to come home? Use your fucking head. Why didn’t you do that at the beginning? Doing it now makes you look weak and desperate and it also makes no sense-if they were going to come home they would have long since done so.
Cowards flee when a foreign army invades, rape, murder and pillage. I see men and women from countries outside of Ukraine entering the trenches to fight.
Men fleeing Ukraine should not find safe haven.
You cant win a war with people that you force to fight in it
Not sure it can even be done under European law. What does he expect? If they don’t come back voluntarily that European nations start mass deportations?
Tell that yoke of reporter Denys to return from Switzerland
Not trying to be cute or funny or anything like that but: My dad’s side of the family technically fled Ukraine (German Mennonites) about 140 years ago…
I hope I’m the first in my family to return and live in Ukraine soon.
He can go f himself. We want presidential elections and not this clown in charge. Someone like ZALUHNY
Wait I thought we don’t like draft dodgers?!? 😂 Eat shit.
All these comments about “they need more then just men on the front logistics and so on” I think people are forgetting the vast majority of conscripted people have no choice where they are sent you might be lucky and end up as a truck driver or you get sent to the front dodging drones.
I hope they frag their commanders
they can fly fpv drone from anywhere, like in guardian of the galaxy, the golden people